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Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:25 pm


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Since you clicked on this thread, chances are you have an interest in learning Japanese. Maybe you're of Japanese heritage, maybe you're into anime, maybe you just think that Mr. Miyagi's cool. Whatever your reason, I won't discriminate against you (most of the Japanese learning community hate otaku and weeaboos). I personally started teaching myself Japanese for the sole reason that I was bored and I thought it sounded cool... and now I'm planning to major in it and make a career out of it.

Japanese is an extremely fun language to learn, but you have to realize that learning a language takes sweat and blood. You won't be able to understand anime without subs after one, two, three, probably even more than four years. Unless you're doing a 100% immersion approach or something, you'll need to devote free time to studying vocabulary and kanji. Not trying to discourage you or anything, it's just that since many people start learning Japanese without much of a reason, I had to put that out there.

About Japanese

Japanese is the national language of Sweden. I kid, it's the national language of Japan. It has 130 million native speakers, ranking it 9th in terms of number of native speakers. Some say Japanese is Altaic. Some say it's an isolate. I don't think anyone really knows.

Japanese, in Japanese, is 日本語 (nihongo). "Japan" is 日本 (nihon). Literally, this means "the source of the sun," and is the name appointed to Japan by the Chinese (since you know, Japan is to the east of China and the sun rises from the east). And so, that's why it's often called "the land of the rising sun" even in English. 語 (go) is simply a suffix meaning "language."

Why should I learn Japanese?

Just a few reasons off the top of my head.


  • Japan has a truly interesting culture, both comfortably modern yet exotically traditional.
  • Japanese is a rather logical language, making it easier to learn. There are only a small handful of irregular verbs. You don't have to conjugate based on who is doing the action. You don't have to memorize month names based off of Roman gods or whatever, they're numerical. Etc.
  • Japan is well known for its entertainment industry. We've probably all heard of anime and manga. Besides that, Japan makes a majority of video games, and some Japanese bands have cult followings overseas.
  • Japan is also big in the business world... putting that you know Japanese on your resume can only be beneficial.
  • Japanese uses Chinese characters (kanji) and has many many Chinese loanwords. (Note: it uses traditional characters that have gone through a simplification separate from China's.) Grammatically, it's almost identical to Korean.


About the thread

First off, I want to say that my lessons will be intended to teach Japanese grammar along with basic vocabulary and kanji. While I'd love to teach you vocab and kanji, the fact of the matter is that they're mostly memorization. And so, in order to effectively learn the language, you have to find a memorization technique that works for you. It might be flashcards or it might be a flaschard program. I'd normally recommend iKnow but starting in April you have to pay to use it. Another program I higly recommend is Anki.

I'm Seinaru ite but you can just call me Sei (セイ). (You can add the "sensei" honorific if you want but I really don't care.) I've been self-teaching myself Japanese for the past 4 or 5 years. But I'm not fluent. However, I am at a high enough level that the basics I'll be teaching come to me so naturally that it doesn't even feel like a foreign language to me.

But I don't intend to hold a monopoly on Japanese lessons in the guild. If you speak Japanese at a decent level and are interested in posting lessons, please feel free! I'll add you to the list of teachers and put your lessons in the table of contents.

I don't want to stress myself out with lesson deadlines and then make low quality lessons, so I won't post at regular times. This isn't to say that I won't be posting regularly though.


Links

Rikaichan
An extremely useful firefox add-on that allows you view a Japanese word's meaning and reading just by mousing over it.

How to install the Japanese IME
Check here to learn how to type in Japanese.

Mint & Peaches
A community-made guide to learning languages. Has Japanese-specific resources also.

How to Learn Japanese Links
Another community-made thread. This one focuses on Japanese and includes links, books, iPod apps, etc.

Chatting in Japanese
The biggest thread on Gaia for chatting in Japanese. (99% of the people there are also learning so feel free to jump in)

Shiritori
Shiritori is a traditional Japanese word game that can be fun to play and can teach you new vocabulary. This thread is the main one in Gaia International. You can join in no matter how limited your vocabulary is.





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Seinaru ite


Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:27 pm


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To sign up as either a kyoushi or a gakusei just post saying what you want to be in the thread!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:28 pm


第 一 課
Pronunciation and Intro to Hiragana


The first step to learning Japanese that anyone should take is to begin learning the writing system. There are a few reasons for this. For one thing, while Japanese can be rendered in Roman letters (called roomaji in Japanese), Japanese people don't actually write that way (I've actually heard stories where Japanese people have troubles reading paragraphs written in roomaji). Another reason is, that to learn a foreign language (especially one that's not similar to your native language), you have to give up your native language and try to start over from square one. Reading Japanese in English letters will subconsciously give you a mental connection between the two languages, which there isn't. And lastly, the kana are fairly easy to learn, and since kana is a phonetic syllabary it's convenient to learn in the beginning when you're also learning pronunciation. They go hand in hand.

You might be asking yourself, how does Japanese have a phonetic syllabary when it uses Chinese characters?

The answer is, that Japanese writing system consists of 3 different writing systems: hiragana, katakana, and kanji.

  • Hiragana (平仮名) is a syllabary used when writing particles and conjugations, among other things. Some examples: あいうえお. Hiragana looks very... curvy

  • Katakana (片仮名) is a syllabary used mostly when writing foreign names or words of foreign origin. Some examples: アイウエオ. Katakana looks very... line-y?

  • Kanji (漢字) are Chinese characters used in Japanese writing. These are used to give meaning to words. Some examples: 月火水木金. Compared to hiragana and katakana, kanji usually look complex.


The two syllabaries hiragana and katakana, make up a group called "kana." There are 46 kana of each syllabary used in modern Japanese, making 92 total kana. (But that's nothing-- there are THOUSANDS of kanji, and you need to be able to read 2,000 kanji to understand 90% of a newspaper.) Both hiragana and katakana symbolize the same sounds, and it's not uncommon for them to look similar when symbolizing the same sound. (As a matter of fact, the syllable "he" is written the same in both scripts -- へ.)

In order to understand why Japanese has this weird writing system of 3 scripts, it's worth looking into the history of the Japanese writing system. Japanese never had an indigenous writing system. When they made contact with China, Japanese people started learning Chinese to seem erudite. The first usage of Chinese characters in Japan was in the 4th century AD. But they didn't use them in the context of the Japanese language... this was largely impossible due to Japanese and Chinese having different sentence orders, Japanese having conjugations while Chinese doesn't, etc. So Japanese people just wrote in Chinese for a while. In the 8th century, a poet (or group of poets) thought of the great idea of using kanji for their phonetic sounds, not for their meanings (which is what kanji are normally used for). This caught on and the script that the poet(s) used eventually got simplified and became the kana we know and love today. As an example, い and イ, the hiragana and katakana for the syllable "i," are both oversimplifications of the kanji 以, which also has the sound "i." (Click here to see how kanji has been simplified into hiragana if you're interested.)

So now that we know about the origins and functions of hiragana (we'll be going into more detail about functions later), let's start actually learning them. I found this great chart on Wikipedia ( heart ) :

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(Note: traditionally, Japanese is read from top to bottom, right to left. This chart is in the same style. So it starts in the top right.)
(Note 2:
"Wi" and "we" are archaic and are not used in modern Japanese. I don't even know them.)


Learning the correct stroke order for kana is very important. Kana follow the same stroke order rules as kanji, and if you don't write kanji the right way they're gonna look funky.

Japanese pronunciation is fairly simple. (Almost) every syllable is a combination of a consonant and a vowel, as you can see in the chart. The only exceptions are the vowels and "n." (I'll cover this in a sec)

The 5 vowels are A, I, U, E, and O. While they are the same vowels as English when written down, remember that English vowels can have multiple sounds, but Japanese ones are always the same exact sound. (The Japanese vowels are very similar to the Spanish vowels, if you speak Spanish by chance.)
  • あ (A) - pronounced "ah"
  • い ( I ) - pronounced "ee," like in "tree."
  • う (U) - pronounced "oo," like the "ue" in "glue."
  • え (E) - pronounced like "eh," like the "e" in "bed"
  • お (O) - pronounced "oh," like the o's in "Ohio."

*btw, this is going by American English pronunciation*

***NOTE***
Often, when paired with a consonant, " I " and "U" are practically silent. For example, you know that Sasuke guy from Naruto? Why is it that his name is pronounced sah-SSS-keh while Naruto's name is pronounced nah-ROO-toh? Don't fret about it, you'll learn when to silent which vowels with experience. Just wanted to give you a heads-up.

Although there are sounds similar to the Japanese vowels in English, they're not identical. The best way to learn how they really sound is to hear them. For this you can go here to listen to each syllable individually. Or you can use another website of course.

With that in mind, let's continue to look at the consonants that are combined with the vowels.

K, S, T, N, M, Y, and W are all practically identical to their English counterparts. But of course there are some that I have to expound on.

H - this is also very similar to its English counterpart, but it's not pronounced with a burst of air like it often is in English. It's light.

R - this is the only sound that's very different than in English. The Japanese R is actually between an R and a L. It's hard to explain in text so refer to audio and try to copy the sounds they're making. (You might have heard of "engrish," which is what people call it when Japanese people speak English badly. If you haven't, you should look it up, it's funny.)

W - while I said that this is regular, there is an exception, "wo." The w in this is very soft in modern Japanese, and is very barely audible if it is audible. It's usually pronounced exactly like "o." (remember that "wa" and "wo" are the only W syllables used in modern Japanese)

N - don't get me wrong, na, ni, nu, ne, and no are all very similar to their English counterparts... but there's a 6th "N." This is the only syllable that contains no vowel. It's a nasal sound. Unlike in English, where if "n" is in the middle of a word it's pronounced at the end of a syllable (i.e. how "pan" is all one syllable), in Japanese "n" is its own consonant (so "pan" would be pronounced pah-NNN). It's just as long as any other syllable. Remember, this only applies to "N" when it's by itself.

You might have noticed a few oddballs on the chart. Like, why does it go from "sa" to "shi" to "su"...? These kinds of irregularities in romanization are due to the Japanese accent. You have to remember these few exceptions.

  • S + I = SHI (like the English word "she" )
  • T + I = CHI (like chi, that Chinese energy thing you hear about in martial arts movies)
  • T + U = TSU. This is a hard sound for English speakers at first. Guess what, you know how they taught you in school how the "t" in "tsunami" is silent? Well it's not. You pronounce the T, and the S, and also the U. Refer to audio.
  • H + U = FU. Not trying to be obscene here. It's pronounced like the "fu" in "kung fu," but softer.



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練習
(renshuu - Practice)


I'll put a few hiragana below, you have to say what sound it is. I'll put the answers in white text, so highlight them to see them. (I don't suggest trying this until you've studied hiragana individually for a bit of time, unless you have a photographic memory.)

き >ki< (highlight between the arrows to see the answer)

を >wo<

わ >wa<

れ >re<

ね >ne<

も >mo<

あ >a<

お >o<

ん >n<

ち >chi<

め >me<

ぬ >nu<

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Lesson-wise, that's about it. I plan to spend the next lesson teaching a few kana rules that will let you make more sounds with the kana you already know. (We've only covered about half of all the Japanese syllables, but we've covered all of the hiragana.) After that I plan to spend a lesson on katakana... and from there start on actual grammar. I'll also be putting in some everyday phrases in the next 2 lessons so you can start speaking Japanese.

From here you need to find a memorization technique that works for you, and memorize the hiragana. I used to say that iKnow is the undeniably best place to learn kana. But unfortunately, starting in April, you have to pay to use it. If you want to you can still try and use it -- I think you should be able to learn the kana in a month.

Besides that, I once again strongly recommend Anki.

If you can find a website or program that serves as audio kana flashcards, I think you found yourself a keeper. Having audio while learning the kana is imo very important because you want to have good pronunciation when starting out, right? (If you do find a good site, tell me and I'll post it here!)

~Resources for learning kana~

The Hiragana Song
A song made to teach hiragana. There's also a katakana one on the same site

The Hiragana and Katakana game
It's a multiple choice quiz game which helped me learn the kana. -Recommended by Bokusenou

Ultimate Kana Challenge
The scoreboard seems to be down, but the game is up! The point of the game is to click on the floating kana in 五十音(ごじゅうおん) order (which is what they call the order on the kana chart, and it's used like Alphabetical order is in English, in case any students were wondering). It helped me memorize 五十音 order. -Recommended by Bokusenou

Real Kana
A flashcard site made for kana that lets you practice different rows of kana with different fonts. -Recommended by Irisel


Seinaru ite


Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:38 pm


I plan to do the next lesson by the end of the week, but I don't intend to post any more lessons until I get at least 1 student.

Also feel free to post questions/comments/suggestions! I'd appreciate it if anyone could offer any criticism (read, be blunt with me so I can fix anything that's bad). Lesson design, formatting, ranting too much, anything...
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:46 pm


User ImageI'd like to be a student.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:49 am


*wants to be a student*
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:23 am


Added both

How much do you guys know already? I know I've seen Sakura in Japanese threads...

Seinaru ite


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:52 am


I'd love to be a student!^^
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:01 am


Seinaru ite
Added both

How much do you guys know already? I know I've seen Sakura in Japanese threads...
I'm a noob ...I just know some words and what's Hiragana and Katakana,etc...but I have problem in reading them!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:10 am


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Seinaru ite
Added both

How much do you guys know already? I know I've seen Sakura in Japanese threads...
I'm a noob ...I just know some words and what's Hiragana and Katakana,etc...but I have problem in reading them!

I can almost read Hiragana, just sometimes it's a bit difficult. Plus, I know some words from watching Anime, but that's it^^
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:19 am


Added princess

Ah alright that's good ^^ Was just making sure I was right in starting at the very beginning

Seinaru ite


Bokusenou

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:50 am


Congrats on the opening of the Japanese thread! *throws confetti*

I'd like to add two sites which really helped me when I was learning kana.

The Hiragana and Katakana Game it's a multiple choice quiz game which really made the kana stick for me.

Ultimate Kana Challenge The scoreboard seems to be down, but the game is up! The point of the game is to click on the floating kana in 五十音(ごじゅうおん) order (which is what they call the order on the kana chart, and it's used like Alphabetical order is in English, in case any students were wondering). It helped me memorize 五十音 order.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:57 am


Added em 3nodding

I pretty much rote memorized them so I don't really have any sites I can personally recommend... >< besides iKnow, but yeah...

Seinaru ite


Bokusenou

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:32 am


Thanks, I guess I'll let you know if I think of any links which are relevant to the lessons you're teaching as you go. Most of the links covering beginner topics that I know of started/were around in the early 00's though, since that's when I started learning Japanese, so I probably won't know any newer sites unless they were posted on Japanese language learning tools on Web, which I checked more often.

Oh really? Wow. I tried that, but they never really "stuck" until I found those two sites I mentioned. I'm half-surprised that they're still even around.
I've seen some other sites which had kana mnemonics, but I think that there were few enough kana that I didn't really need them. XD
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