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Bokusenou

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:33 pm


Sylrind
(I thought I'd practice and answer your questions that were on a previous lesson. How did I do?)

1. いいえ、わたしわおんあのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしわsこどめです。 あなたわこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それわマカですか?

Edit: Before I forget, I had a quick question. How do write names in Japanese? Do you just go off of the pronunciation, and what about odd names that would be hard to give translations for if you used that system? Hope I'm not being a bother. sweatdrop

Awesome! You did really well, there are only a few spelling technicalities, but it looks like you understand how to use everything well.

Corrections:

1. いいえ、わたしおんのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしこどです。 あなたこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それですか?

Particle "wa" is written は, even though it is said わ, and that can be tricky to remember at first (I mistakenly wrote it as わ a lot too when I was starting out..).

Also, "ar" and "er" in English words are often changed to the long vowel
"アー" (replacing ア with something from the ア row, like マ and カ in this case)

As for names, I have to go soon, so I'll just give a brief explanation.
Most names are written in kanji, and while there are common readings for most names, a lot of them have more than one possible reading, so it's hard to be exactly sure how a name is read sometimes. Some names (mainly female and pet names) are written in hiragana.
The yearly baby name popularity rankings in Japan have different rankings for name readings (one name reading usually has a lot of different possible kanji) and name kanji.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:47 pm


Bokusenou
Sylrind
(I thought I'd practice and answer your questions that were on a previous lesson. How did I do?)

1. いいえ、わたしわおんあのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしわsこどめです。 あなたわこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それわマカですか?

Edit: Before I forget, I had a quick question. How do write names in Japanese? Do you just go off of the pronunciation, and what about odd names that would be hard to give translations for if you used that system? Hope I'm not being a bother. sweatdrop

Awesome! You did really well, there are only a few spelling technicalities, but it looks like you understand how to use everything well.

Corrections:

1. いいえ、わたしおんのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしこどです。 あなたこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それですか?

Particle "wa" is written は, even though it is said わ, and that can be tricky to remember at first (I mistakenly wrote it as わ a lot too when I was starting out..).

Also, "ar" and "er" in English words are often changed to the long vowel
"アー" (replacing ア with something from the ア row, like マ and カ in this case)

As for names, I have to go soon, so I'll just give a brief explanation.
Most names are written in kanji, and while there are common readings for most names, a lot of them have more than one possible reading, so it's hard to be exactly sure how a name is read sometimes. Some names (mainly female and pet names) are written in hiragana.
The yearly baby name popularity rankings in Japan have different rankings for name readings (one name reading usually has a lot of different possible kanji) and name kanji.


Thanks so much! It feels good to know I only had a few mistakes. (I swear spelling will be the end of me because that's where I usually mess up in English too -.-)
Thanks for the links. I figured it wouldn't be all to easy.

Sylrind


Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:06 pm


Don't worry, even though your few mistakes were spelling mistakes it looks to me like some of them were just typos too. E.g. you typed おんあ instead of おんな, which can be a common mistake if you're new to using the Japanese IME. With words that have two N's in a row (i.e. onna), when typing with the Japanese IME you have to either press the N key an extra time (so type onnna) or type a ' after the first N (so type on'na).

In addition to what Bokusenou said, for foreign names, (so basically any name that's not of Japanese or Chinese origin), you transcribe it phonetically in katakana. Like, my name is Brandon, which is written in Japanese as ブランドン -- so in roomaji it's spelled the same way but with an extra letter (burandon). The transcription of my name is fairly easy, but there are some foreign names that are hard to know without looking them up. (I'm still not 100% sure how to say my last name in Japanese, rofl.)

I haven't really been posting practice sections because no one's been posting! gonk I'll be sure to start adding them from now on.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:44 pm


Seinaru ite
Don't worry, even though your few mistakes were spelling mistakes it looks to me like some of them were just typos too. E.g. you typed おんあ instead of おんな, which can be a common mistake if you're new to using the Japanese IME. With words that have two N's in a row (i.e. onna), when typing with the Japanese IME you have to either press the N key an extra time (so type onnna) or type a ' after the first N (so type on'na).

In addition to what Bokusenou said, for foreign names, (so basically any name that's not of Japanese or Chinese origin), you transcribe it phonetically in katakana. Like, my name is Brandon, which is written in Japanese as ブランドン -- so in roomaji it's spelled the same way but with an extra letter (burandon). The transcription of my name is fairly easy, but there are some foreign names that are hard to know without looking them up. (I'm still not 100% sure how to say my last name in Japanese, rofl.)

I haven't really been posting practice sections because no one's been posting! gonk I'll be sure to start adding them from now on.


Oh really? I'll have to write that down so I don't forget. I never thought I would have to take notes on how to type -.- Oh well.
As for the names that sounds kinda like I thought it would be. I imagine my names may sound odd, yet slightly cool, whenever I translate them.
Don't worry I haven't been following since you started this so I'm a little behind and just trying to catch up as quick as I can. But if you do post them then I will try to post my answers.

Sylrind


Bokusenou

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:21 pm


Sylrind
Bokusenou
Sylrind
(I thought I'd practice and answer your questions that were on a previous lesson. How did I do?)

1. いいえ、わたしわおんあのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしわsこどめです。 あなたわこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それわマカですか?

Edit: Before I forget, I had a quick question. How do write names in Japanese? Do you just go off of the pronunciation, and what about odd names that would be hard to give translations for if you used that system? Hope I'm not being a bother. sweatdrop

Awesome! You did really well, there are only a few spelling technicalities, but it looks like you understand how to use everything well.

Corrections:

1. いいえ、わたしおんのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしこどです。 あなたこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それですか?

Particle "wa" is written は, even though it is said わ, and that can be tricky to remember at first (I mistakenly wrote it as わ a lot too when I was starting out..).

Also, "ar" and "er" in English words are often changed to the long vowel
"アー" (replacing ア with something from the ア row, like マ and カ in this case)

As for names, I have to go soon, so I'll just give a brief explanation.
Most names are written in kanji, and while there are common readings for most names, a lot of them have more than one possible reading, so it's hard to be exactly sure how a name is read sometimes. Some names (mainly female and pet names) are written in hiragana.
The yearly baby name popularity rankings in Japan have different rankings for name readings (one name reading usually has a lot of different possible kanji) and name kanji.


Thanks so much! It feels good to know I only had a few mistakes. (I swear spelling will be the end of me because that's where I usually mess up in English too -.-)
Thanks for the links. I figured it wouldn't be all to easy.


No problem, that's what I'm here for. XD Like Sei said, the mistakes you made are ones that a lot of people make when learning to type in Japanese, they'll go away as you get used to it.

Oh yeah, if you want to see what your name looks like in Japanese, this site has katakana versions of most common English names. If your name isn't too common or otherwise isn't there, you can always PM Sei or I it if you want and we'll tell you your name in Japanese.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:48 am


Bokusenou
Sylrind
Bokusenou
Sylrind
(I thought I'd practice and answer your questions that were on a previous lesson. How did I do?)

1. いいえ、わたしわおんあのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしわsこどめです。 あなたわこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それわマカですか?

Edit: Before I forget, I had a quick question. How do write names in Japanese? Do you just go off of the pronunciation, and what about odd names that would be hard to give translations for if you used that system? Hope I'm not being a bother. sweatdrop

Awesome! You did really well, there are only a few spelling technicalities, but it looks like you understand how to use everything well.

Corrections:

1. いいえ、わたしおんのこです。
2.いいえ、わたしこどです。 あなたこどもですか?
3.はい。
4.はい、それですか?

Particle "wa" is written は, even though it is said わ, and that can be tricky to remember at first (I mistakenly wrote it as わ a lot too when I was starting out..).

Also, "ar" and "er" in English words are often changed to the long vowel
"アー" (replacing ア with something from the ア row, like マ and カ in this case)

As for names, I have to go soon, so I'll just give a brief explanation.
Most names are written in kanji, and while there are common readings for most names, a lot of them have more than one possible reading, so it's hard to be exactly sure how a name is read sometimes. Some names (mainly female and pet names) are written in hiragana.
The yearly baby name popularity rankings in Japan have different rankings for name readings (one name reading usually has a lot of different possible kanji) and name kanji.


Thanks so much! It feels good to know I only had a few mistakes. (I swear spelling will be the end of me because that's where I usually mess up in English too -.-)
Thanks for the links. I figured it wouldn't be all to easy.


No problem, that's what I'm here for. XD Like Sei said, the mistakes you made are ones that a lot of people make when learning to type in Japanese, they'll go away as you get used to it.

Oh yeah, if you want to see what your name looks like in Japanese, this site has katakana versions of most common English names. If your name isn't too common or otherwise isn't there, you can always PM Sei or I it if you want and we'll tell you your name in Japanese.


Cool thanks again. I have to say that I'm really surprised my names on there. I've only heard of two other people having it, one being famous. 0.0

Sylrind


Bokusenou

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:18 pm


Sylrind

Cool thanks again. I have to say that I'm really surprised my names on there. I've only heard of two other people having it, one being famous. 0.0

No problem! I'm glad it had your name! I like that site because it's actually a dictionary of English names in katakana, rather than an automatic/machine transliteration like some other sites I've seen, which can have mistakes.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:20 pm


Bokusenou
Sylrind

Cool thanks again. I have to say that I'm really surprised my names on there. I've only heard of two other people having it, one being famous. 0.0

No problem! I'm glad it had your name! I like that site because it's actually a dictionary of English names in katakana, rather than an automatic/machine transliteration like some other sites I've seen, which can have mistakes.

Yeah usually I'm a little wary about translation type sites because they aren't all wonderful. But this one seems just fine!

Sylrind


Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:39 pm


第 九 課
More fun with adjectives


So in this lesson we'll finish up い adjectives and learn a new particle and new vocabulary.

On a side note, I should be posting more lessons now. Until finals which are early next month

Let's finish up these い adjectives


Learning the rest of the conjugations for い adjectives is fairly easy; it just requires a small bit of memorizing.

To make an い adjective negative, drop the final い and add くありません. This one's not so hard to remember because it also ends in ありません just like じゃありません.

Ex. :

青くありません (あおくありません) Not blue

楽しくありません (たのしくありません) Not fun

もう忙しくありません! (もう いそがしくありません) I'm not busy anymore! (もう = anymore)

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To make an い adjective into past tense, drop the final い and add かったです

This one, probably isn't easy to remember. "If it's past tense, then why does it end in です?!" Well, remember when I covered the word です and I said that it was basically the present tense conjugation for "to be" but that it really isn't? です is really just a suffix that makes things polite. It's kinda complicated. You won't be running into です many times in places where it isn't present tense besides this conjugation (actually off the top off my head this is the only one like that -- someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Ex. :

青かったです (あおかったです) [it] was blue

楽しかったです (たのしかったです) [it] was fun

先週は忙しかったです! (せんしゅうは いそがしかったです) I was busy last week! (先週 = last week)

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The process of making an い adjective into negative past tense is also fairly simple, as it's formed the same way as the negative past tense of です -- that is, you take the negative conjugation and add でした to it.

Ex. :

青くありませんでした (あおくありませんでした) Was not blue

楽くありませんでした (たのしくありませんでした) Was not fun

二週間前に忙しくありませんでした (にしゅうかんまえに いそがしくありませんでした) I was not busy two weeks ago (にしゅうかんまえに = two weeks ago... I'm just adding these uncovered words to make the sentences relevant, lol)

Admittedly, it can be a mouthful to say "was not" in polite Japanese, lol.

*REMEMBER: It's ~くありませんでした, NOT ~くありませんかったです

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Recap: example adjective おいしい (tasty)

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They're grrrrrrrrrrrrreat


I wanted to cover a couple more い adjectives because they're used SO MUCH.

The first one is いい. This word means "good" in most cases that the word "good" is used in English. This word is used so much I'd probably put it in the list of top 10 commonly used words in Japanese.

This word has kanji. 良い is the most commonly used one (the other ones are barely ever used) and I'd say it's used maybe 33% of the time... いい is generally written in hiragana.

The confusing thing about いい is that it has an alternate pronunciation -- よい. As a matter of fact よい is the correct pronunciation but いい is the colloquial version. よい has a more traditional / written feel. So you can use whichever you like but いい is far more commonly said.

Now the thing that makes it even more confusing is that it's conjugated irregularly. Don't worry, this is (to my knowledge) the only irregular い adjective. In the affirmative present it's conjugated normally -- いいです -- but besides that, it gets changed to よい and then conjugated regardless of if you wanted to use いい or よい. So the rest of the conjugations are:
よくありません
よかったです (In past tense it has an alternative meaning, similar to "thank goodness!" So that can be useful to remember)
よくありませんでした

There are a few compound words that use いい, that are also irregular because they use いい at the end. The most commonly used いい compound word I'd say is かっこういい, which is like "cool" (as in the slang word). It literally means "good shape." So it's conjugated this way:
かっこういいです
かっこうよくありません
かっこうよかったです
かっこうよくありませんでした


The last word I wanted to introduce to you is used absolutely ALL. THE. TIME. It's すごい which is similar to the English word "great." It's definitely in the list of top 10 commonly used Japanese words. If you were to turn on a Japanese tv, it would be likely that the first word you heard was "すごい!" Well that might be exaggerating, but it is used quite a lot.

も = too


This has nothing to do with adjectives but it's handy to know and simple to learn. The particle is similar to English word "too." It shows that something is like something else. It's used in the same way as the は particle -- but you don't use them together. If you want to use も, just use it instead of は.

Ex. : これは赤いです。あ、それも赤いですね。
(これは あかいです。 あ、 それも あかいですね。)
This is red. Oh, that's red too.

You can also use two も's in a single sentence to say "both ___ and ___ are ____"

Ex. : これもそれも赤いです。
(これも それも あかいです。)
This and that are both red.

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練習
(れんしゅう - Practice)


Conjugate the following adjectives in the tense designated. Also translate the word into English. Feel free to use either kanji or kana -- for the sake of simplicity I'll post the answers in kana. (All conjugations are in polite tense)

(Highlight between the arrows to see the answer)

黄色い (きいろい) - Affirmative past tense - >Meaning: Yellow. きいろかったです<

元気 (げんき) - Negative past tense - >Meaning: Healthy, doing well. げんきじゃありませんでした<

大きい (おおきい)- Affirmative present tense - >Meaning: Big. おおきいです<

暇 (ひま)- Affirmative past tense - >Meaning: Having free time. ひまでした<

大きい (おおきい)- Affirmative present tense - >Meaning: Big. おおきいです<

いい - Negative present tense - >Meaning: Good. よくありません<

Translate the following adjectives into Japanese and conjugate them into the tense designated. Feel free to use either kanji or kana -- for the sake of simplicity I'll post the answers in kana. (All conjugations are in polite tense)

(Highlight between the arrows to see the answer)

New (negative past tense) >あたらしい. Conjugated: あたらしくありませんでした<

Peaceful (of a place) (affirmative present tense) >しずか. Conjugated: しずかです <

White (affirmative past tense) >しろい. Conjugated: しろかったです<

Black (negative present tense) >くろい. Conjugated: くろくありません<

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Now that we're done with adjectives we'll be starting verbs next lesson! This will be an important lesson so be sure not to miss it!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:27 pm


第 十 課
Verb: It's what you do.


We have finally reached verbs. Before this, we've essentially been using only one verb, "to be." So it's obvious how learning more verbs, along with how to use them, is a huge step forward. Also, once we're done with verbs, we'll be able to learn some extra stuff like adverbs, which pretty much exist to make you sound more like a native.

So to start off. In case you don't know, "conjugation" is when you change a verb to fit the context of the sentence (e.g., I AM, you ARE, he IS are all conjugations of the English verb "to be" ).

In Japanese, all (non-conjugated) verbs end in "u;" that is to say, they end in the "u" row of kana or in "u" in romaji (so "u," "ku," "su," etc.). In addition, there are three main groups of verbs, that differ slightly in how you conjugate them. They are: "ru" verbs, "u" verbs, and irregular verbs. There are only a small handful of irregular verbs, so don't worry. What you should worry about is the other two groups-- "ru" and "u" verbs. "Ru" verbs ALWAYS end in the syllable "ru" (when unconjugated). "U" verbs ALWAYS end the "u" row of kana (when unconjugated)... this includes the syllable "ru." Therefore, when learning a new verb that ends in "ru," you have to learn which rules it uses to conjugate, since it can be either a "ru" or an "u" verb.

*TIP: "Ru" verbs ALWAYS end in either "iru" or "eru" (this is talking about romaji, so there are ones that ends in "beru," etc.). This is a handy rule to know, but there are still some "u" verbs that end in those also. This page has a handy table of the most commonly used "u" verbs that end in "iru" / "eru." But ignore the rest of that page -- that covers casual speech which we haven't got to yet!

So to start off I'll give you an example of a verb ending in each "u" syllable, and I'll include more vocabulary later in the lesson.

RU VERBS
-----------------
食べる (たべる) to eat
見る (みる) to see, to watch
寝る (ねる) to sleep (specifically: sleeping while lying down. There's actually another word for sleeping but not lying down), to go to bed

U VERBS
----------------
買う (かう) to buy
聞く (きく) to hear, to listen, to ask
泳ぐ (およぐ) to swim
話す (はなす) to talk, to speak
持つ (もつ) to hold, to have, to carry
死ぬ (しぬ) to die
呼ぶ (よぶ) to call (e.g. a waiter -- not on the phone)
読む (よむ) to read
知る (しる) to know


Note: There are no verbs that end in ず, づ, ふ, ゆ, or compounds like じゅ. Also, there is only a single verb that ends in ぬ : 死ぬ (しぬ), to die. (There used to be more verbs that ended in ぬ, however.)

Masu


First we'll learn how to conjugate them, then we'll learn how to use them.

The first thing you need to do when conjugating a verb (in the polite level) is to find the verb "stem." Making the stem is easy. For "ru" verbs, just drop the final "ru." For "u" verbs, just change the final "u" into "i." So:

RU VERB STEMS
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食べる → 食べ (たべ)
見る → 見 (み)
寝る → 寝 (ね)

U VERBS STEMS
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買う → 買い (かい)
聞く → 聞き (きき)
泳ぐ → 泳ぎ (およぎ)
話す → 話し (はなし)
持つ → 持ち (もち)
死ぬ → 死に (しに)
呼ぶ → 呼び (よび)
読む → 読み (よみ)
知る → 知り (しり)


Next, we add the conjugating suffix. For polite affirmative, you add ます to the verb stem. (Note: Just like です, the final "u" is usually silent in ます.) And so:

RU VERBS CONJUGATED
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食べる → 食べます (たべます) [someone] eats
見る → 見ます (みます) [someone] sees, watches
寝る → 寝ます (ねます) [someone] sleeps, goes to bed

U VERBS CONJUGATED
----------------
買う → 買います (かいます) [someone] buys
聞く → 聞きます (ききます) [someone] hears, listens, asks
泳ぐ → 泳ぎます (およぎます) [someone] swims
話す → 話します (はなします) [someone] talks, speaks
持つ → 持ちます (もちます) [someone] holds, has, carries
死ぬ → 死にます (しにます) [someone] dies
呼ぶ → 呼びます (よびます) [someone] calls (e.g. a waiter -- not on the phone)
読む → 読みます (よみます) [someone] reads
知る → 知ります (しります) [someone] knows


Note: While I used third person for the English translations, remember that the Japanese conjugations can be used depending on who is doing the action, just like with です

Now how do we use these verbs


Verbs use different particles to make sentences. There are a few irregularities versus English counterparts (which I'll point out along the way), but in general there are two types of verbs that follow common particle patterns: transitive and intransitive verbs.

Transitive means that the verb has a direct object. This means that something is doing something to something else. In Japanese, transitive verbs use the sentence structure "(Subject が) object を verb." (I will be going into these new particles in a sec.)

Intransitive means that the verb does not have a direct object. This means that something is being done to the verb. In Japanese, transitive verbs use the sentence structure "Subject が verb."

In addition to this, remember that any part of the sentence can be dropped in Japanese. So an entire sentence can consist of just a verb.

(In the vocabulary section at the end of the lesson I'll be posting which group which verbs belong to, along with what particles do what to what.)

The particle that gives beginners nightmares: が


As you can see in the sentence structures above, the particle が can be used in any sentence. (Indeed, you can even use it in the "to be" sentences that we've been doing until now.) が simply marks the subject of the sentence.

...But, it's used very similarly to は, which is why it gives beginners nightmares. In fact, the whole subject of は vs が is so complicated that most people can't even describe it (they just do it). So while it's a really difficult subject for a beginner to understand, yet it's so basic that it has to be covered in beginner material, keep in mind that while it might seem like "OMG I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS," you will understand it with time. (In fact, I've found this fact to be true for every obstacle in learning Japanese.) The rest of this mini-area-thing will cover the differences of は and が. So read through it, and don't let it get to you if you don't understand it right away.

Basically, は covers the TOPIC of the sentence, while が covers the SUBJECT of the sentence. This might make sense to someone that knows a lot about linguistics, I'm not sure.

You can also explain the differences in terms of nuances.
は can be translated literally into "as for..." quite well. You use it when you start talking about something new.
が is used to neutrally say that something did something. It's also used in questions.

For example. "Who ate the cookies?" = Who が ate the cookies?
"He did it" = He が did it

Conversely:
Who は ate the cookies? = "As for who, ate cookies?" As you can see, this doesn't make a shred of sense. That's why は isn't used with questions.
He は did it = "As for him, he did it." This one is correctly used. The が counterpart is also correct, though. The difference is that the は version introduces "him" as the new subject that will be talked about. The が version still talks about the same subject that you've been talking about, but doesn't shift the focus of the discussion.

These are the basics of the differences -- I highly recommend reading this page to see the rest of them. If you don't understand it fully after reading that, bookmark that page and check back every month or so. You'll find that every visit it starts making more and more sense.

Now, ignoring differences, は and が can be used in the same sentence. For example:

明日は、僕が泳ぎます。
あしたは、 ぼくが およぎます。
As for tomorrow, I will swim. (明日 = tomorrow)

In addition, は is a powerful particle of sorts, in the fact that it overwrites some other particles. It overwrites both particles covered in this lessons -- が and を -- if it comes down to it. So if the subject of the sentence is also the topic, use は.

Wo... as in, Whoa, this is so much easier than Ga


*The header is just a joke. Remember that "wo" is pronounced the same as "o." *

So yeah, を is quite simple to understand. You just attach it to the end of the sentence's object. So attach it to the word that something is being done to (in a transitive sentence, that is).

For example:

ピザを食(た)べる - to eat pizza
本(ほん)を読(よ)む - to read a book

Vocabulary


RU VERBS
-----------------
食べる (たべる) to eat - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is eating

見る (みる) to see, to watch - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is seeing/watching

寝る (ねる) to sleep (specifically: sleeping while lying down. There's actually another word for sleeping but not lying down), to go to bed - intransitive
は / が subject

U VERBS
----------------
買う (かう) to buy - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is buying

使う (つかう) to use - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is using

聞く (きく) to hear, to listen, to ask - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is hearing, listening to, asking about
に person the subject is asking (in the case of using it to mean "ask" )

泳ぐ (およぐ) to swim - intransitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is swimming through
に the destination

話す (はなす) to talk, to speak - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is speaking (e.g. a language)
と person the subject is speaking with

持つ (もつ) to hold, to have, to carry - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject holds, has, carries

死ぬ (しぬ) to die - intransitive
は / が subject

呼ぶ (よぶ) to call (e.g. a waiter -- not on the phone) - transitive
は / が subject
を person/thing the subject is calling

読む (よむ) to read - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject is reading

知る (しる) to know - transitive
は / が subject
を thing the subject knows

Seinaru ite


Kiyo Murasama

PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:33 pm


Quote:
" Making the stem is easy. Just change the final "u" into "i." So:

RU VERB STEMS
-----------------
食べる → 食べ (たべ)
見る → 見 (み)


Is 食べる sort of irregular? Because if you change the "u" into "i" like with 見る, it goes to 食べ, rather than 食び。xD Just a bit confused on that.

Thanks for this lesson! I've been waiting for verbs for FOREVER. I think you're the third OP of a Japanese thread here, and the two teachers before you never made it to verbs. -Thumbs up-
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:54 pm


Kiyo Murasama
Quote:
" Making the stem is easy. Just change the final "u" into "i." So:

RU VERB STEMS
-----------------
食べる → 食べ (たべ)
見る → 見 (み)


Is 食べる sort of irregular? Because if you change the "u" into "i" like with 見る, it goes to 食べ, rather than 食び。xD Just a bit confused on that.

Thanks for this lesson! I've been waiting for verbs for FOREVER. I think you're the third OP of a Japanese thread here, and the two teachers before you never made it to verbs. -Thumbs up-
Aaaahhh, thanks for pointing that out! I completely wrote down the rule for U verbs and said that it applied for both types of verbs, which it doesn't. You're right, with Ru verbs, you just drop the final Ru. I'll edit that right away.

Yeah, the Japanese thread teachers seem to be as cursed as the Defense of the Dark Arts teachers at Hogwarts xd I've been trying really hard to keep the new lessons coming at a steady rate, because there's not way I'm gonna let this one die.

...Although school's interfering again; so I wanted to post saying that I'm most likely not going to get another lesson up for another week. I'm at that point in time where all the term papers are due. sweatdrop Fortunately the finals don't seem like they'll be too hard so this should be the last time that school slows down the thread.

お待たせてごめんなさい
Sorry to keep you guys waiting

Also, grah, why does it only sometimes tell me when there are replies in this thread gonk

Seinaru ite


Seinaru ite

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:24 pm


第 十一 課
Verbs continued


First of all, really sorry for the long wait for this lesson! This should be the last time school interferes with these lessons (until next year)

So, now that we know how to conjugate verbs for polite affirmative, and even more importantly how to find their stems, we're going to learn the rest of the basic tenses. And I'll also introduce a new type of verb that's used just as much as the transitive and intransitives.

Let's finish up these verbs


Because the normal, polite conjugations are all just adding things to the verb stem, they're fairly easy to learn.

Negative = verb stem + ません

This one is especially easy to remember since we already know the word じゃありません -- です is definitely not a verb that follows normal conjugation patterns, but as you can see its negative conjugations does end in ません.

Examples:

食べません (たべません)
見ません (みません)

買いません (かいません)
話しません (はなしません)
知りません (しりません)

Past tense = verb stem + ました

Well, ました is similar to でした. The ending た is of special significance -- as you will see, all past tense conjugations of anything end in た (or in some cases だ but that's a story for another time)

Examples:

食べました (たべました)
見ました (みました)

買いました (かいました)
話しました (はなしました)
知りました (しりました)

Negative past tense = verb stem + ませんでした

By now you could have probably guessed that the negative past tense conjugation would involve a negative and a past tense indicator put together.

The combination of ません (negative verb conjugator) and でした (past tense copula) might seem sort of odd... but if you think about it you've already seen this one in じゃありませんでした

Examples:

食べませんでした (たべませんでした)
見ませんでした (みませんでした)

買いませんでした (かいませんでした)
話しませんでした (はなしませんでした)
知りませんでした (しりませんでした)

レッツゴー


Completely off topic, but yes, the Japanese think that the phrase レッツゴー (let's go) sounds awesome, so they use it.

So, as the topic header hints at, this section covers verbs that indicate motion. While these are technically intransitive verbs, I like to think of them as a group all their own because they use particles differently (and really, it's odd that they're considered intransitive because they can have objects).

First off I shall acquaint you with some of the most commonly used motion verbs.

泳ぐ (およぐ)

Yes, you already know one from the previous lesson. Swimming is a type of motion.

行く (いく) - "to go"
来る (くる) - "to come"

These two new verbs are all we'll be learning in this lesson, but they're so important to know that it's worth covering the entire topic of motion verbs just for them. When you learn more motion verbs (e.g. to walk, to run) you'll know how to use them right off the bat.

But before I cover the usage of motion verbs in general I have to define these two new verbs, because while they are similar to "go" and "come" they are used somewhat differently.

行く (いく) is commonly translated as "to go." It's a movement in a direction away from the speaker.

来る (くる) is commonly translated as "to come." It's a movement toward the place where the speaker is. *Note: this word is written in kanji like, 50% of the time... so I'll be using its kanji so you can get used to seeing it, but it's still native-like if you don't use the kanji

The difference between Japanese and English is that Japanese is more strict about it. In English you can say something like "I'm coming" when you're actually going away from your present location. In Japanese you would say 私は行きます which is literally "I'm going."

*A lot of the 行く vs. 来る info borrowed from Genki I

*SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT THE VERB 来る*

This is one of the very, very few irregular verbs in the Japanese language. While its unconjugated form is くる, its verb stem is き... so its conjugations are きます・きました・きません・きませんでした.


We are the knights who say... "ni!", to mark the destination of our Japanese sentences!


So yes, for destination verbs, we have to use a new particle: に. And if you've seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the first thing that pops in your head when you hear that is probably the knights who say "ni!" sweatdrop

The に particle marks the destination. I'll cover some of the most commonly used locations in the vocabulary section below, but for now we'll be using pronouns.

The pronouns for location are as follows:

ここ = "here"
そこ = "there"
あそこ = "that place over there"

It's pretty basic, since we already know the prefixes from これ・それ・あれ and この・その・あの

Examples of destination sentences:

僕は、そこに行きます。
ぼくは、 そこに いきます。
I'm going there.

彼女はここに来ます。
かのじょは ここに きます。
She's coming here.

彼は日本に行きました。
かれは にほんに いきました。
He went to Japan. (The speaker is currently outside of Japan)

彼は日本に来ました。
かれは にほんに きました。
He came to Japan. (The speaker is currently in Japan)

私はアメリカに泳ぎました。
わたしは アメリカに およぎました。
I swam to America. (It's uh... possible from Canada or Mexico or somewhere right? o_o)

*Note: When a destination is also the topic, you can put together に and は... this combination is always には, never はに. As for combining に with other particles, however, you can't. E.g. you can't say にが, it's just に.

A neat little trick


Destination verbs can be used for more than just locations: one extremely useful use is to say that you're going somewhere to do a verb. For example, "I'm going to eat." In Japanese you make this type of sentence by taking the verb stem (in this case, of "eat," which is 食(た)べる → 食(た)べ), add に, and add the motion verb, in this case 行く. So when conjugated, the entire sentence would be 食(た)べに行(い)きます. This isn't really used in the same way as the English phrase "I'm going to..." because in English this basically makes a sentence into future tense. In Japanese it just means that you're going somewhere with a certain intent (I'm going there with the intent of eating).

Another example, that does translate well into English.

死にに来ました。
しにに きました。
I came here to die.

Not that you'd say this phrase often, but I can imagine this being said in a samurai movie or an anime or something.

Other particles for motion verbs


While に is the bread and butter of motion verbs, there are a couple other usable particles that are worth mentioning.

を is one of them. "But what could you use を for if you use に for destination?" You use it to indicate something that you're going through. This is similar to the uses for the English word "to walk." You can say, walk to a street. Or, you can walk the streets. There's a clear difference. This is the same difference between に and を, respectively. One example of this would be say, ナイルを泳ぐ , to swim the Nile (I suck at thinking of swimming examples).

The other particle is a new one -- へ. This particle has an irregular pronunciation, and thankfully, it is the last particle we'll learn that's like that. When used as a particle へ is pronounced え. So it's the same relationship as は and わ.

At any rate, this particle へ is used in pretty much any situation that に is used for. While に indicates a concrete destination (very similar to the English word "to" ), へ indicates a direction (very similar to the word "towards" ). Right now it's good to just know what へ means... I think that the difference in nuance between the two particles is something that you won't get right off the bat.

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単語
(たんご - Vocabulary)


Words covered in the lesson


行く (いく) - "to go"
来る (くる) - "to come" (Verb stem is き)

ここ - here
そこ - there
あそこ - that place over there

Common location words


学校 (がっこう) - school
レストラン - restaurant (especially Western-styled ones)
お手洗い (おてあらい) - bathroom, restroom (literally: the honorable hand washing)
図書館 (としょかん) - library
スーパー - supermarket (the Japanese like to abbreviate long loan words)
病院 (びょういん) - hospital
公園 (こうえん) - a (public) park

家 - This word is unique in that it uses the same kanji but is essentially two different words. In general, it means "house" or "home." When referring to houses in general, you say いえ. When referring to your own home, you say うち.

Countries


While I mentioned these in the katakana lesson, I want to formally introduce them as vocabulary that you should learn here.

If you've seen Hetalia you probably already know all these rofl

日本 (にほん) - Japan (literally, Source of the Sun)
アメリカ - America
カナダ - Canada
イギリス - England
オーストラリア - Australia
フランス - France
ドイツ - Germany (taken from the German word for Germany, Deutschland)
中国 (ちゅうごく) - China (literally, "Middle Country"... this is the name that China uses for itself, except it's pronounced somewhat differently in Chinese)

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練習
(れんしゅう - Practice)


Translate the following sentences to Japanese. All conjugations are in polite tense. All answers are given in kana; where you place spaces doesn't matter.

(Highlight between the arrows to see the answer.)

He's not coming.
>かれは きません。<

Mister Yamada went to Canada.
>やまださんは カナダに いきました。<

I didn't go to the library.
>わたしは としょかんに いきませんでした。 (Using ぼく or が would be fine)<

She went to Ms. Satou's house.
>さとうさんの いえに いきました。<

I came to this restaurant to eat cake.
>ケーキを たべに この レストランに きました。< (It doesn't matter which order you put the two に phrases in.)
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:37 pm


*Added the following information to the previous post:

Quote:
*Note: When a destination is also the topic, you can put together に and は... this combination is always には, never はに. As for combining に with other particles, however, you can't. E.g. you can't say にが, it's just に.


I'm really sorry again about the lack of updates, but it's finals week... I had originally thought that my finals wouldn't be so bad but my study guides are really in-depth and are freaking me out so I'm spending most of my time studying ><

Seinaru ite


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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:44 pm


1. He's not coming
彼は来ません。
2. Mister Yamada went to Canada
山田さんはカナダに行きました。
3. I didn't go to the library
図書館に行きませんでした。
4. She went to Ms. Satou's house.
彼女はさとうさんの家に行きました。
5. I came to this restaurant to eat cake.
私はこのレストランにケーキを食べました。
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