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Ryes__Catcher

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:04 pm


Heya everyone, I just thought I'd mention the newest Tom Cruise and his take on psychology tidbit.

Apparently, he and his current girlfriend are going to bring their child into the world via a "Silent Birth." A quick search on Google told me that some members of the Church of Scientology prefer this method of birth, which is described as a birth in which the baby is delivered in a calm, drug-free, completely silent environment. The reasoning for this is the thought that a mother screaming while bringing her baby into the world is traumatizing for the child. So, just to recap, there are no drugs, no sound at all, and no maternal noise whatsoever.

My reaction? SURE you can do it, Tom! Of course your woman won't make a single, drug-free sound during the birth! Oy vey... I don't think that screaming and hollering and carrying on are a necessary part of childbirth, but I don't think that maintaining total silence is feasible, either.

So, I ask you, questions? Comments? Sarcastic remarks? Any of the above are welcomed and encouraged whee
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:59 am


My take is that the state of development a just born infant is in, language and screaming will have no effect on it. As for the lack of drugs in child birth, well thats your choice, your crazy wacked out masochist choice biggrin .

The reason any of this silent treatment is done is to prevent "irrational fears" and "unwanted emotions" form the child later in life. I find this assertion very flawed. The whole notion of these childhood traumas during childbirth sound very Freudian to me. Like I said earlier, I don't think the mind is developed enough at birth.

What I find more disturbing is that part of silent birth is the idea that the baby is "shielded" from noise for up to a week after birth. Stimulation of some kind is important to the developing mind.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:58 pm


Personally, I am not sure whether it is totally possible for a female to give birth in complete silence. A female should be able to stream, if they are in pain.
I don't think that noise will effect a child during the birth process. This is has no evidence to support this premise.

Research has shown that infants in the womb can hear and sense the feelings of its mother and others.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:34 pm


If noise during birth was so traumatic, everyone in our world would be traumatized.

The pre-birth environment for the baby must be pretty noise (I believe he hears most of what the mother hears, and probably some internal sounds). Going out to a silent place... that should be even weirder than hearing the mother scream.

Plus, even if it was a shocking experience, there's no reason to believe that a child would carry such trauma throughout his/her life.

Calunio


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:48 pm


I think that's stupid. I was baffled by that too. Sure, a calm environment is a good thing, but no sounds at all? That's even more unnatural. Shielded of noise for one week? Sure, try to protect you and your baby from any loud car noises/freeways/builders whatever, that's good.

The only thing that has been proven about the young ages is that kids normally don't remember a thing unless it's something Really traumatizing (like war or seeing your mum being shot in front of you, pick your choice). I think the kids of those two (cruise and his lady friend) will be more traumatized by the pure weirdness of their scientology methods than if katie screams or cries a bit like every normal non drugged woman when she's giving birth to her kid.

I believe in a natural birth though, no drugging the mom so she won't feel a thing, but it's whatever floats your boat. But hey, I lurve the stone ages for their pure "calm" lives, ******** the stress of living in the city.

I'm not pretty fond of the Scientology church in overal though, you just can't mix science and the christian faith (or am I completely off here?). You can be a scientist who believes in god or allah or shiva for all I care, but it's not the bloody same thing.



I wonder if they have a scarf ready to shut his mouth up whenever he cries in the first week "because he can't have any noise".
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:53 am


And if she has a difficult birth . . . ? No doctors and no drugs might not seem like such a great idea then.

However I do think it possible that we all have a memory of birth buried deep within our brains. Going down a tunnel into the light. Near death or near birth experience?

dizzyjess


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:38 pm


Calunio
If noise during birth was so traumatic, everyone in our world would be traumatized.


Thats the thing though, the Scientologists actually believe that everyone is crazy. It comes from their belief in alien souls attaching themselves to humans. I know it sounds like I'm making this up, but sadly I'm not. Fortunately for just $240 they can help you out, seeing as they are the alternative to psychology.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:10 am


Yikes! I had seen this interview with Tom Cruise previous to reading this. I think it is just unnatural and dumb. Not only is the baby affected negatively/positively (we really can't be sure of this one) but what does that do to the mother to not be able to express herself in the most painful/frightening/happy experience of her life?

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tarot_disaster

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:26 pm


what the hell? well i personally think that is the most stupidest thing ive ever heard but what ever hes a star he can do what ever he wants and get away with it... hmm well ill i have to say is that thats completely impossible... so ehh lets not and say we did...

*black-nine*
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 pm


Personally, I don't like Tom Cruise....He's very od and slightly annoying, but that's just me.

Anyways, I don't think that silent births make that much of a difference. If it were me, I'd want to at least make a little noise. And no drugs?! Well, to each their own I guess...but I'll take the drugs.

Crystal Farms Cheese


Pandora's Box

PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:05 am


I think that if I was giving birth and was forbidden from making noise it would be an even more stressful and difficult noise. I mean, we make noise for a reason, they aren't screaming just for the hell of it.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:49 pm


my sister and cousin had the doctor tell her to TRY to not make a noise
something that has to do with saving energy.
but also tom cruise believes something about aliens are ruling us(no offense to scientologists) and correct me if i'm wrong about that

The Dadalorian


AspergersKitty

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:49 pm


This is crazy. I don't think it'll hurt the baby though, because I mean babies of deaf parents turn out okay, right?
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:21 pm


Sounds pretty odd to me. But each to their own I suppose. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:42 am


She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.

Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.

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Oh Tom Cruise, you and your.... scientology.

I think that if Tom wants that kind of birth he should squeeze out the baby himself and see how hard it is for the woman even with drugs. I don't know how his wife can handle him.

If he wants a silent birth, why not a silent conception, and inside womb development? Why not live in silence for the rest of the child's life? What difference is a silent birth going to make? I wish for Tom Cruise to answer that question.

In the beginning of my Psychology course, my teacher gave us an article about Tom Cruise's interview with Matt Lauer on the Postpartum Stress Disorder Brook Sheilds had, and how his scientology beliefs that she didn't need to take antidepressant's. I have the article at home, and not here...

Here it is. I found it online:

http://youcantmakeitup.blogspot.com/2005/06/cruise-uncontrollable.html

The funny pics were not there, but it is funny even without them.

Edit: Looks like there is a thread referring to that interview. =p I didn't see it before.

@AspergersKitty - Deaf people can't hear, but they can make noises, grunts and scream-like noises. =p

~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~


The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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