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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:30 pm
How much of an "artistic license" do fiction writers actually have?
I ask this because of opinions that were recently expressed to me by various people I know. Our dicussion somehow turned to The Da Vinci Code. A few of the people I was talking with stated that they thought the book was a load of crap that expressed "utter lies and bullshit about Christianity's origins" and that it "modifidied historical events" to "make Christianity out to be a pack of lies". I told them that it was just a work of fiction, and they responded with "That's no excuse to mess with history".
Pardon my French, but-WHAT THE ******** it's fictitious, then it's intentionally false. If I wanted to, I could write a story in which Abe Lincoln was an evil man who didn't actually free the slaves, but instead tried to kill them. I could write a story where Stalin was a tragic hero. I could write a story about basically any historical event, and modify it to make the story more interesting. I mean, if I were to write a story about an American unit in World War II, I might write about battles that never happened, or change the way a battle really happened, or do any number of things to make the story more interesting. It's fiction, for otter's sake! It's not supposed to be one hundred percent accurate! It'd be like writing a book which had vampires living in NYC-no, there is not a cult of vampires living in the sewers, but it sure as hell makes for an interestin story.
So, my question: is there a limit to how far you can go in a work of fiction? If so, where is it? Also is so-why?
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:44 am
They're just offended because they're afraid that people will take it as true and leave christianity. And christianity is a virus, so it insists on spreading.
Historical fiction always alters past events. If it didn't, it would just be "historical".
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:45 am
They're angry because they think it will taint faith. And let's face it, if your faith is so weak that a work of fiction can change it...
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:03 am
No limits, pl0x.
People are just ignorant. There are tons of books out there that are historical fiction, like the American Girl Diaries. IN one of the books, the girl met U. S. Grant and described him as being a drunk retard. He was drunk, yes. But retarded? Not really. He just thought running a country was a lot like running an army -- which, we all know, the country isn't exactly trained to answer barked commands. We just go, "WTF? STFU."
If they don't like it, they don't have to read it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:09 am
I'm a writer, so when I go into a word document to continue writing, I say to myself, "I must think of the story, not what people will think" (or at least try to). But then I find myself restricted. Certain things that I want to/need to write about can't be put in since they're too 'controversial'. I don't want to succumb to what people think is 'acceptable', but at the same time, I can't do what I want.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:26 pm
Fiction is fiction. Therefore not true. You can write anything you want that is false, as long as you don't claim it's true. I have never seen a work of fiction to be true. If it were, it would be non-fiction. I can't imagine why people get so bent out of shape about fiction.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:35 pm
People who get their panties in a twist due to ficticious writing have always confused me. Like when all these huge groups showed up, boycotting Harry Potter because "it endorses witchcraft." Yeah, ok. Sure there are some nutters who believe the aformentioned books are to be taken literally, but that always happens.
Take for instance The Da Vinci Code. An ok book, I've read plenty that were much better on every level. Before I had read it, I had a friend who took every single word written to be the true and actual fact. She still does. And it makes me want to shoot her. Just because someone wrote a work of fiction that took elements from reality, it doesn't make that story true.
Fiction is fiction. Even historical fiction. Even realistic fiction.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:15 pm
writercxvii
Pardon my French, but-WHAT THE ******** class="clear">
Cela n'est pas français.
As for the topic: First of all, I loved the Da Vinci Code, and second of all fiction is fictional. As was said before, if a work of fiction can alter your faith, well then your faith obviously wasn't that strong in the first place.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:13 pm
the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:24 pm
tamashii no taki-bi the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it. I guess it's just the best name they could come up with. English is paradoxical. I try not to pay it too much mind. I'll go mad.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:36 pm
Koravin tamashii no taki-bi the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it. I guess it's just the best name they could come up with. English is paradoxical. I try not to pay it too much mind. I'll go mad. man, if we got invaded by aliens anytime soon they would get so confused. 'Course I'm not one to promote the reconstruction of english, like in 1984.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:52 pm
tamashii no taki-bi Koravin tamashii no taki-bi the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it. I guess it's just the best name they could come up with. English is paradoxical. I try not to pay it too much mind. I'll go mad. man, if we got invaded by aliens anytime soon they would get so confused. 'Course I'm not one to promote the reconstruction of english, like in 1984.Rar! T'would be double-plus ungood. Damn, I love that book.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:03 pm
tamashii no taki-bi the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it. It's not necessarily paradoxical, though. As an adjective, "historical" only means "like history", the same way "phantasmagoric" (I love this word) means "like a phantasmagoria". Somethign can be historical but not factual (more on this is a second), while somethign can be phantasmagoric and entirely factual. So, it's not exactly paradoxical, just a bit stretchy on the rules.
Now, about history: History is never, by it's very nature, entirely factual. History is a winner's interpretation of the events, and is therefore biased. So, calling it completely factual is a bit of a stretch, since if I kick your a** in a war, I'm going to paint you in a much less favorable light than I paint myself.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:03 pm
writercxvii tamashii no taki-bi the term 'Historical Fiction' has always been a paradox. 'history' by definition is The recorded events of the past and 'fiction', a creation of the imagination. History is completly factual, while fiction is not. These things should not nautrally coexist. Yet they do thanks to human disregard for comon sense when naming things. You just gotta love it. It's not necessarily paradoxical, though. As an adjective, "historical" only means "like history", the same way "phantasmagoric" (I love this word) means "like a phantasmagoria". Somethign can be historical but not factual (more on this is a second), while somethign can be phantasmagoric and entirely factual. So, it's not exactly paradoxical, just a bit stretchy on the rules.
Now, about history: History is never, by it's very nature, entirely factual. History is a winner's interpretation of the events, and is therefore biased. So, calling it completely factual is a bit of a stretch, since if I kick your a** in a war, I'm going to paint you in a much less favorable light than I paint myself.True. This makes sense.
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