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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:45 pm
Let me start off by saying I will not to focus on the intricacies of the various youth subcultures as they are basically all the same with different clothes. The LAST thing I would like to see in my thread is an argument over the differences between a "scene" and an "emo" kid. However, to properly address the topic of mental illness reaching "vogue" status, I may need to reference the aforementioned youth subcultures. Allow me to reiterate: This is not a thread about Emo subculture, so the specifics of it need not to be discussed or debated. Also, keep in mind this trend was not created by (contemporary) Emos, it prevails in other subcultures as well. Please do not limit discussion of the culture of depression and mental illness to one faction of people and thank you in advance.
Now that my disclaimer is complete, on to the meat and potatos.
In recent years, about the last 6 or so, there has been a major trend in people claiming to be mentally ill. By "claiming to be mentally ill" I mean they brag about doctor visits, showcase their self inflicted cuts (which typically are no more than minor scratches) like trophies, and compare depression medications. It actually could be argued that their attention-seeking behavior classifies them as mentally ill, but the "subculture" goes beyond that.
When a subculture forms, it creates an entire rationale and way of life. This particular way of life is damaging not only to those who participate in the subculture, but to those who in may be emulating. In this case, the subculture is emulating the legitimately mentally ill. It damages the participants for two main reasons: By acting as and believing one is chronically depressed, one can become depressed (although probably not chronically) and secondly, being prescribed medicine for depression when one does not actually need them can be very detrimental to the balance of chemicals in the brain. Sadly, most doctors will prescribe antidepressants as though they're selling penny candies.
It damages those who actually ARE mentally ill far more as they are now either taken even less seriously or more likely to question whether or not they are mentally ill. For example, I am Bipolar, but I was unwilling to admit I was since it's a relatively rare disease and I knew far too many people who claimed they were. Also, most doctors assumed I was just another depressed teen in high school, so they prescribed me antidepressants, which makes Bipolar disorder worse. I suffered for several years until I was finally put on the correct medication. Perhaps I simply saw bad doctors, but I do not think the depressed subculture helped.
I would like to know what you think of this recent phenomenon. Are we getting more depressed because lifestyles have changed or because more of us are faking it? It goes without saying that the "emo" movement (especially this most recent wave of emo) has fed this trend quite a bit, but could it be the hype that's getting to us? Pharmaceutical companies don't let us forget that they have a pill for every ailment; if we happen to be a bit down one day and then see a commercial for Zoloft, we may blow our blues out of proportion.
Also, let us not forget that our generation is far less active and willing explore the outdoors than the past few, which could give us a lot more time to create drama. Maybe those with "pseudo depression" are simply bored.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:03 am
I didn't see anything I didn't agree with in your post. It's not just the kids, either. There's a pill for just about anything. "They" want to get everyone to believe something's wrong with them, and hooked on some legal drug.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:39 am
I have a huge array of them, but I don't go around bragging about them... o.o ADHD, OCD... it's like a ******** alphabet soup in my head. I get along fine though if I concentrate on remaining rational. On the occasion that I lose focus, I start rambling and s**t; it's hilarious.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:50 am
Well, you actually make me a bit ashamed to say that I suffer from non-situational depression. I think the 'subculture' actually helped me. I live with my very closed-minded father, and he was unwilling to admit there was a problem. I used to cut, burn myself with cigs, and all that stuff, and he saw...and brought me a knife, and told me that if I was so sad, I should slit my ********' wrists. Obviously, I didn't. But he made me scared of my problem, and made me think that everyone had it, and I was just dealing with it horribly. Finally, after years of suffering with untreated depression, I told a teacher (one that I hated, but she taught a class somewhat connected to that.). I am going to therapy, and am prescribed ( lol ) Zoloft. If there hadn't been somewhat of an 'uprising' with mental disorders, I would never have known, and I, quite possibly, could have killed myself.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:50 pm
I have a crap load of problems, mental and physical. At least half of them, most people haven't heard of. Asperger's, Hashimoto's Hypothyroidism, depression, etc. Try explaining how you got post traumatic stress syndrome with non-specific cause when you'r in high school surrounded by emos. It infuriates me that I have less credance because others lie, fake, and exaggerate. True, some emos have depression, although more of them have attention problems. Attention whoring is a legitimate problem, but when it is so confused with other problems, it makes mine seem less serious.
Note, when I say emo, I mean any person faking mental illness or what have you.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:43 pm
Yeah, I agree with you. One of my best friends has been diagnosed as having AS, OCD, Bipolar disorder, and severe depression. He technically qualifies for aid in school, but he can't get one to help him when he needs it, because he's "too smart to have any mental disorders", whereas less intelligent kids, who are more functional than he is, get them.
Or how everyone claims to be depressed-that's getting kind of old. There was a boy at my school who actually was depressed, but because of all the "emo" kids, everyone thought he was faking it. But he actually was depressed, and he tried to hang himself with the ropes from the rockwall. (He was rescued, by the way). So, yeah, it is kind of the "in" thing, and it needs to stop.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:45 pm
writercxvii Yeah, I agree with you. One of my best friends has been diagnosed as having AS, OCD, Bipolar disorder, and severe depression. He technically qualifies for aid in school, but he can't get one to help him when he needs it, because he's "too smart to have any mental disorders", whereas less intelligent kids, who are more functional than he is, get them.
Or how everyone claims to be depressed-that's getting kind of old. There was a boy at my school who actually was depressed, but because of all the "emo" kids, everyone thought he was faking it. But he actually was depressed, and he tried to hang himself with the ropes from the rockwall. (He was rescued, by the way). So, yeah, it is kind of the "in" thing, and it needs to stop. Yeah! I was valedictorian, but I qualify for special ed. People look at me and think, 'Oh, little miss perfect, she can't have any problems since she's so smart and has such stellar grades,' so they just hate me and ignore my problems. Many teachers don't believe that I have special needs because I do well in class, and students just hate me because I'm smarter than them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:01 pm
Since when did intelligence correspond with mental illness?
I have my fair share of disorders and other things.
I've known so many people that hold disorders and pain like trophies. It's rather disgusting to me. There was one girl I was friends with as a kid that had anorexia nervosa. She would take on illnesses and disorders that she saw in other people, and claimed them as her own. I was depressed, and all of the sudden the formerly happy girl was depressed. I thought I heard something when there should be no sound, so did she. She read comic books and watched movies; all the sudden they were her real life. She tried to kill me because of one of those.
Anyway, I don't know when it became trendy to not be "normal", but I can't wait until people realise these things are not always fun to live with.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:04 pm
Koravin writercxvii Yeah, I agree with you. One of my best friends has been diagnosed as having AS, OCD, Bipolar disorder, and severe depression. He technically qualifies for aid in school, but he can't get one to help him when he needs it, because he's "too smart to have any mental disorders", whereas less intelligent kids, who are more functional than he is, get them.
Or how everyone claims to be depressed-that's getting kind of old. There was a boy at my school who actually was depressed, but because of all the "emo" kids, everyone thought he was faking it. But he actually was depressed, and he tried to hang himself with the ropes from the rockwall. (He was rescued, by the way). So, yeah, it is kind of the "in" thing, and it needs to stop. Yeah! I was valedictorian, but I qualify for special ed. People look at me and think, 'Oh, little miss perfect, she can't have any problems since she's so smart and has such stellar grades,' so they just hate me and ignore my problems. Many teachers don't believe that I have special needs because I do well in class, and students just hate me because I'm smarter than them. He actually forced the school to give him an aid at one point-he brought in notes from his shrink to get one. This really pissed off a lot of people (especially when he used it to get a lot of aids in trouble, as they were giving students answers on tests), because they tried to claim that he was too smart for an aid. BEcause apparently, intelligence is a marker for whether or not you have mental disorders.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:41 pm
Kazhiana Well, you actually make me a bit ashamed to say that I suffer from non-situational depression. I think the 'subculture' actually helped me. I live with my very closed-minded father, and he was unwilling to admit there was a problem. I used to cut, burn myself with cigs, and all that stuff, and he saw...and brought me a knife, and told me that if I was so sad, I should slit my ********' wrists. Obviously, I didn't. But he made me scared of my problem, and made me think that everyone had it, and I was just dealing with it horribly. Finally, after years of suffering with untreated depression, I told a teacher (one that I hated, but she taught a class somewhat connected to that.). I am going to therapy, and am prescribed ( lol ) Zoloft. If there hadn't been somewhat of an 'uprising' with mental disorders, I would never have known, and I, quite possibly, could have killed myself. I'm glad that you are doing better. Getting the help you need is extremely difficult without a support group. It takes a lot of courage to seek help...especially through a teacher you hated ;] The "uprising" in mental illness is not completely because of the subcultures I referenced, it's also because our society is more progressive than it was 20 years ago. In the past there was a lot more stigma on going to a couseling. It's good that those who need help are less likely to have to suffer in silence, but the downfall is that it makes more people either fake their illness of bring it upon themself (like hypochondriacs in a way...those people really would be mentally ill but not in the way they think.) For the record, I think antidepressants and mood stabilizers are fine, it's just that they're prescribed too freely. Something that messes with the balance of brain chemicals that we don't even fully understand should never be given out without a very clear understanding of the patient's situation.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:51 pm
Ume Hotaru Since when did intelligence correspond with mental illness?
I have my fair share of disorders and other things.
I've known so many people that hold disorders and pain like trophies. It's rather disgusting to me. There was one girl I was friends with as a kid that had anorexia nervosa. She would take on illnesses and disorders that she saw in other people, and claimed them as her own. I was depressed, and all of the sudden the formerly happy girl was depressed. I thought I heard something when there should be no sound, so did she. She read comic books and watched movies; all the sudden they were her real life. She tried to kill me because of one of those.
Anyway, I don't know when it became trendy to not be "normal", but I can't wait until people realise these things are not always fun to live with. Sometimes intelligence and mental illness correlate. Although correlation does not equal causation the phrase "there's a thin line between genius and insanity" does stem from somewhere. Oddly enough, your friend probably had a disorder all in its own, possibly Borderline personality. I think the next trend should be loving and accepting youself for who you are and doing your best to keep mentally and physically healthy. One can dream...
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:57 pm
Individual 171192 Ume Hotaru Since when did intelligence correspond with mental illness?
I have my fair share of disorders and other things.
I've known so many people that hold disorders and pain like trophies. It's rather disgusting to me. There was one girl I was friends with as a kid that had anorexia nervosa. She would take on illnesses and disorders that she saw in other people, and claimed them as her own. I was depressed, and all of the sudden the formerly happy girl was depressed. I thought I heard something when there should be no sound, so did she. She read comic books and watched movies; all the sudden they were her real life. She tried to kill me because of one of those.
Anyway, I don't know when it became trendy to not be "normal", but I can't wait until people realise these things are not always fun to live with. Sometimes intelligence and mental illness correlate. Although correlation does not equal causation the phrase "there's a thin line between genius and insanity" does stem from somewhere. Oddly enough, your friend probably had a disorder all in its own, possibly Borderline personality. I think the next trend should be loving and accepting youself for who you are and doing your best to keep mentally and physically healthy. One can dream... Yeah, no, I know she had something. n.n I don't think it was borderline...there was another name for it. I just can't remember now. It's been quite a few years since then.
The thing that bothers me with intelligence and mental disorders, is that there are so many different disorders that you just can't include intelligence with them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:13 pm
Ume Hotaru The thing that bothers me with intelligence and mental disorders, is that there are so many different disorders that you just can't include intelligence with them.
Agreed. Although some mental illnesses tend to go along with certain types of intelligence, that doesn't mean everyone with schizophrenia is a math whiz or that agoraphobics are inherently good writers.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:32 am
Individual 171192 Ume Hotaru The thing that bothers me with intelligence and mental disorders, is that there are so many different disorders that you just can't include intelligence with them.
Agreed. Although some mental illnesses tend to go along with certain types of intelligence, that doesn't mean everyone with schizophrenia is a math whiz or that agoraphobics are inherently good writers. The thing is that people with severe mental disorders are either far below or far above average. In my years of special education, I've met people who required help just to get work done, and I've met people who could do the work in their sleep but just didn't want to do it. I personally know an autistic savant, and, while he is incredibly hard to talk to, I love speaking with him.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:27 pm
SimonSmith Individual 171192 Ume Hotaru The thing that bothers me with intelligence and mental disorders, is that there are so many different disorders that you just can't include intelligence with them.
Agreed. Although some mental illnesses tend to go along with certain types of intelligence, that doesn't mean everyone with schizophrenia is a math whiz or that agoraphobics are inherently good writers. The thing is that people with severe mental disorders are either far below or far above average. In my years of special education, I've met people who required help just to get work done, and I've met people who could do the work in their sleep but just didn't want to do it. I personally know an autistic savant, and, while he is incredibly hard to talk to, I love speaking with him. In my experience with pysch wards (I don't mean that to be snarky, it's just true) I could say the same thing. In the particular ward I stayed in they seemed to be the sort who were far below average along with being severely mentally ill. Although there was one autistic boy who was as you described your friend; difficult to talk to yet very interesting.
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