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Angelic Indigo Wolf

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:07 am


Comashipping: Ash/Paul, Satoshi/Shinji
Ikarishipping: Dawn/Paul, Hikari/Shinji


Okay, so I know I'm going to get pwned here x9000 just because of the sheer difference in numbers between Ikarishippers and Comashippers, but hear me out, ya know?

My vote? Ikarishipping of course!
here are my reasons why.

In support of Ikarishipping:
Even though the two havn't interacted much, (if at all) I think that they would make a good couple personality wise. Dawn's more optimistic (and down right BUBBLY) personality I think balences out Paul's cold one. Honestly, I think the guy could use a girl like her to open his heart a little bit (and yes, Dawn needs to toughen up a bit too, and what better then Paul's "******** you!" attitude?)

And even if though this kind of crap is never officialy released, I'm pretty damn sure that Paul is straight. Not even bisexual.

In not-so-support of Comashipping:
(this I just copied and pasted from a previous post that I've made in here, but the opinion hasn't changed)

I think the motto of this ship should be "Let's screw the fact that Ash and Paul are like Oil and Water and let's make them a pairing because two rivals together is HAWT!" (no wait, that couldn't be it because it is too long!) I don't see how people think that the two of them are in love. I mean, not only are they polar opisites but they HATE eachother.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:44 pm


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First, I'll like to point out the last sentence you wrote: '...But they HATE eachother.' Correction, if Ash hated Paul so much, then why is he always trying to befriend him? And, if I remember correctly, back at Oreburgh City, he wished Paul luck in his upcoming Gym battle.

There's also Episode 40 (yeah, it was in Japanese, but I think I got the gist of it), after Cynthia beat Paul, wasn't Ash the first one to go up to him and say something? (HOW I WISH I KNEW WTF THEY WERE SAYING). And by his facial [removed](and based on Ash's personality) I think it's safe to assume that it was something nice/something to cheer him up.

One of the reasons I'm against Ikarishipping is also what you mentioned before: They have absolutely no interaction. Paul doesn't seem to notice her, and the one time he did was back at Roark's gym when he asked "Who are you again?" or something along those lines.

"Dawn could take all of Paul's crap", I forgot who said that, but I don't think she could. She seems to get irritated whenever Paul disses on Ash, and if a simple name forgetting hits her nerve (it might have been different in the Japanese version), then I doubt she could take Paul's bitchy attitude 24/7.

Now for the personality thing. UgGod, if they were to spend a night together, I think one of them would be wanting to kill themselves three hours later. Or less. Paul's not a very amiable and respectful person (and when he is, it's only to adults, excluding Team Rocket); Dawn's overly 'bubbly' personality would drive him nuts. And I doubt even she could coax him into doing anything.

They never stated anyone's sexual preferences ('cept Brock's, but sometimes I question, and a few other pplz who I dun care about), so we can't pass judgement on whether Paul's straight, bi or gay. But I'll say that purple makes me wonder laugh.

'Kay, that's enough 'against Ikari' for now. For support of Comashipping: this is just something I thought over right now, you know when you want to do something, you sort of become obsessed with it? For example, I dunno, beating a video game. Yeah, I know all of you go through that too. I guess that's one of the reasons people like pairing rivals together, because it so makes sense: you want to be better than so-and-so, so you sort of become 'obsessed' with them.

The 'water/oil' analogy, I'm somewhat familiar with it, but I never could decipher it well. Water and oil don't mix, correct? Which would kind of make them opposites, right? Doesn't that corny old saying go 'Opposites attract'? Nnyeah, that's right. 'Sides, you could do the whole water/oil thing with Dawn and Paul. But I won't, cause that won't help me.

Time for my obvious regression. You don't 's**t' on people you think aren't worthy of your time. But Paul does that to him whenever he can (even IF he wants to ignore him), so it's like I conclude the only reason Paul disses on Ash is because he IS worth his time.

And I still think Paul has abandonment issues, but that has nothing to do with this debate. Yeah, I'm done talking. For now. I'll wait for someone else to say something before I bring up more points. Because I'm that lazy. Hopefully I didn't sound condescending. -_-; I have a tendency to do that. Sorry if I did.

Kurai007


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:55 pm


Oh, yes. That was your motto for PreciousMetalshipping as well, Wolf-san. But you changed it, as I can see!

Now -- before I watched D/P on TV, I was a Ikarishipper. I thought it was the cutest thing on the planet for some weird reason. But after I watched some AMVs for the pairing, I don't like it that much anymore. But still, I think it's better than Comashipping!

Well, if I had to chose between one of the ships in D/P I would pick Appealshipping. But its not up here, so yeah...! sweatdrop

But overall, in this discussion, I think I like Ikarishipping better even though I don't support it! -^__^-;;
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:25 pm


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First, I'll like to point out the last sentence you wrote: '...But they HATE eachother.' Correction, if Ash hated Paul so much, then why is he always trying to befriend him? And, if I remember correctly, back at Oreburgh City, he wished Paul luck in his upcoming Gym battle.

There's also Episode 40 (yeah, it was in Japanese, but I think I got the gist of it), after Cynthia beat Paul, wasn't Ash the first one to go up to him and say something? (HOW I WISH I KNEW WTF THEY WERE SAYING). And by his facial [removed](and based on Ash's personality) I think it's safe to assume that it was something nice/something to cheer him up.


Okay, if ANYTHING, that just shows how nice of a guy Ash is. He acts so kindly to him even though they are a foil because well...it's in his nature. (just like it's in Paul's nature to be an utter p***k)

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One of the reasons I'm against Ikarishipping is also what you mentioned before: They have absolutely no interaction. Paul doesn't seem to notice her, and the one time he did was back at Roark's gym when he asked "Who are you again?" or something along those lines.

"Dawn could take all of Paul's crap", I forgot who said that, but I don't think she could. She seems to get irritated whenever Paul disses on Ash, and if a simple name forgetting hits her nerve (it might have been different in the Japanese version), then I doubt she could take Paul's bitchy attitude 24/7.



Now who ever said that they had to be in a relationship RIGHT NOW? Even though there is nothing now, I think that the two have more of a potential then Ash and Paul EVER would.


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Now for the personality thing. UgGod, if they were to spend a night together, I think one of them would be wanting to kill themselves three hours later. Or less. Paul's not a very amiable and respectful person (and when he is, it's only to adults, excluding Team Rocket); Dawn's overly 'bubbly' personality would drive him nuts. And I doubt even she could coax him into doing anything.



Why did that put such funny imagery into my head? xd
The same thing can be said for Comashipping though.


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They never stated anyone's sexual preferences ('cept Brock's, but sometimes I question, and a few other pplz who I dun care about), so we can't pass judgement on whether Paul's straight, bi or gay. But I'll say that purple makes me wonder laugh.



Just because he wears purple doesn't make him gay! xd
(if that were the case then Silver's striking LAVENDER PANTS would make him as flamboyant as Harley)


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'Kay, that's enough 'against Ikari' for now. For support of Comashipping: this is just something I thought over right now, you know when you want to do something, you sort of become obsessed with it? For example, I dunno, beating a video game. Yeah, I know all of you go through that too. I guess that's one of the reasons people like pairing rivals together, because it so makes sense: you want to be better than so-and-so, so you sort of become 'obsessed' with them.



Obsession =/= Love.

Granted, Obsession is an aspect of being in love with someone, but it doesn't mean that if you are obsessed with someone that you are in love with them.


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The 'water/oil' analogy, I'm somewhat familiar with it, but I never could decipher it well. Water and oil don't mix, correct? Which would kind of make them opposites, right? Doesn't that corny old saying go 'Opposites attract'? Nnyeah, that's right. 'Sides, you could do the whole water/oil thing with Dawn and Paul. But I won't, cause that won't help me.



Exactly. Water and oil will NEVER mix.


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Time for my obvious regression. You don't 's**t' on people you think aren't worthy of your time. But Paul does that to him whenever he can (even IF he wants to ignore him), so it's like I conclude the only reason Paul disses on Ash is because he IS worth his time.



This reminds me of something:

There was once this girl in school. We were both opisites you see- and equaly adamant about our opinoins. Every time one would open their mouth the other would strike back. Now I would (as well as she) would normaly *try* to ignore somebody withopisite beliefs, however there was this irrestable pleasure in our rivalry. Never open fighting mind you, but it was still a pretty intense rivalry nonetheless.

Why do I say this?

Because it's like Ash and Paul. (Granted, even if Ash is the better person and would rather make friends) Once you encounter a rival that is your foil, depending on the personality, you just ca't help yourself but to try and "s**t on them" even if you are prefectly respectful to everyone else.

Now then, were this girl and I secretly in love?
In denial of some kind of crush?
HELL NO.



aaaaaannd that's a wrap!

Angelic Indigo Wolf


Kurai007

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:13 pm


Okay, if ANYTHING, that just shows how nice of a guy Ash is. He acts so kindly to him even though they are a foil because well...it's in his nature. (just like it's in Paul's nature to be an utter p***k)

I know, that's what I said. I only brought it up because you said that they both hated each other.

Now who ever said that they had to be in a relationship RIGHT NOW? Even though there is nothing now, I think that the two have more of a potential then Ash and Paul EVER would.

'Cause we're talking about now. Because most people who pair characters up are taking it in the 'right now' time frame. With an exception to the AU I see, almost all the Ikari are during the time of their Sinnoh journey. But hey, we could make it ten years down the road, but it's going to be with BOTH Ikari and Coma, not just Dawn/Paul. Anything can happen, so taking it later on would make both pairings possible.

And the 'more potential' point your brought is a matter of opinion. Other's may think differently.

Why did that put such funny imagery into my head? xd
The same thing can be said for Comashipping though.


Cause it was supposed to XD.
So you're agreeing that both personalities will clash then, hm?

Just because he wears purple doesn't make him gay!
(if that were the case then Silver's striking LAVENDER PANTS would make him as flamboyant as Harley)


I know, but it's like everytime I see that purple, I want to cry. dramallama And oh man, no one could ever match Harley in flamboyant-ness. Not even poor James. D:

Obsession =/= Love.

Granted, Obsession is an aspect of being in love with someone, but it doesn't mean that if you are obsessed with someone that you are in love with them.


Only said that to explain why most people usually pair rivals up with each other. 'Sides, I just think obsession is just a synonym for twisted love.

What else does it mean, then? It's not like I don't agree with you on that point to a degree, but what does it mean when your obsessed with someone, in your opinion?

Exactly. Water and oil will NEVER mix.

Which would also disprove Dawn/Paul. Unless you weren't alluding to either pairing when you said this...if so, ignore that.

Because it's like Ash and Paul. (Granted, even if Ash is the better person and would rather make friends) Once you encounter a rival that is your foil, depending on the personality, you just ca't help yourself but to try and "s**t on them" even if you are prefectly respectful to everyone else.

There's one key difference between your rivalry and Ash/Paul's rivalry: in your's, BOTH of you would always try to shoot each other down and it's mutual. But with Paul/Ash, only PAUL'S the one doing the bashing. Now I don't know how deep his personality is, but I'm sure most people (excluding TRUE sadist) wouldn't keep on insulting someone if they didn't get an equal response from he/she.

It's not like I don't like Ikarishipping either, if you're thinking that I hate it. I just don't appreciate it AS much as I do, let's say as Appealshipping (I'd rather pair her up with Nozomi than Paul, kthx), but I do like it one-sided.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:22 am


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I know, but it's like everytime I see that purple, I want to cry. dramallama And oh man, no one could ever match Harley in flamboyant-ness. Not even poor James. D:


Manly eyebrows that look half-freakish on a kid other then rock-lee overide the purple. dramallama
(as for James, I don't think he was to be with a woman OR a man. Poor thing is scared for life. Silver isn't gay either for his obvious lack of fasion sense [is he colorblind!?] and his quite obvious crush on his "big sister")


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Only said that to explain why most people usually pair rivals up with each other. 'Sides, I just think obsession is just a synonym for twisted love.

What else does it mean, then? It's not like I don't agree with you on that point to a degree, but what does it mean when your obsessed with someone, in your opinion?


I think that obsession with a person would be the same as obsession for an object- granted, you can't stop thinking about it/him/her, but that doesn't mean that it has feelings of love attatched to it.

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There's one key difference between your rivalry and Ash/Paul's rivalry: in your's, BOTH of you would always try to shoot each other down and it's mutual. But with Paul/Ash, only PAUL'S the one doing the bashing. Now I don't know how deep his personality is, but I'm sure most people (excluding TRUE sadist) wouldn't keep on insulting someone if they didn't get an equal response from he/she.


I'm pretty sure that she would stick in her two cents on anything I had to say even if I didn't respond to her anyways. It would have been virtualy impossible for me to say anything and have her not respond so it's not like I could test that out anyways

You see, but that's the thing, Paul is a "true sadist" (although that really isn't a very good way of putting it, he's more like "You are retarded and I don't give a rat's-a** if you hear me or not because it's the truth") in other words: he believes that Ash and his methods are stupid/illogical/"lame-o"/etc. and he is very blunt about it.

I'll admit that I was wrong earlier, they don't hate eachother per say, but it's not like they love eachother, or even like eachother.

Angelic Indigo Wolf


Invisible-chan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:17 pm


I don't know much about either of these fourth gen characters, but from what I do know, I don't think either could it Ash at all. I think Paul is a wanna be Silver/Gary. Hikari is just another girl who travels with Ash. I think the poor thing has had enough trauma with random female's joining his journey. xd

And for the sake of my temporary fangirliness, Silver should go with Crystal. I'm currently too obsessed with that pairing right now. I think they'd be a cannon pairing in the game.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:17 am


I'm Ikari!!
Why?
Well, I believe opposites attract and stuff, but I'm not obsessed with the pairing.
I just like them.
Well, & Paul's name starts with P[earl] & Dawn's starts with D[iamond] which is... like the games! Dialga & Palkia.
xDD
Well, I'm a PenguinShipper either. [Dawn x Kenny]

I don't like ComaShipping.
Why?
'Cause I'm so annoyed when people pair rivals with each other.
I just hate it.
& I HATE YAOI OR YURI.
That's kinda disgusting for me. [SORRY, NO OFFENSE TO THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONCERN]
& Ash obviously DOESN'T HAVE FEELINGS for Paul.



well, everyone has their opinions anyways.
;D

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:26 am


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I'm Ikari!!
Why?
Well, I believe opposites attract and stuff, but I'm not obsessed with the pairing.
I just like them.
Well, & Paul's name starts with P[earl] & Dawn's starts with D[iamond] which is... like the games! Dialga & Palkia.
xDD
Well, I'm a PenguinShipper either. [Dawn x Kenny]

I don't like ComaShipping.
Why?
'Cause I'm so annoyed when people pair rivals with each other.
I just hate it.
& I HATE YAOI OR YURI.
That's kinda disgusting for me. [SORRY, NO OFFENSE TO THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONCERN]
& Ash obviously DOESN'T HAVE FEELINGS for Paul.



well, everyone has their opinions anyways.
;D


Ash is rather obsessed with Paul though, and gets upset when Paul's an a**. And Paul actually seems to pay attention to Ash, while he completely ignored Dawn.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:17 pm


I am in complete support for Ikarishipping. I think this because while they don't have much interaction, when they DO, there are sparks. Their personalities would be beautiful together.
I'm against Comashipping because I've never really been a fan of anybody with Ash but Misty, and if Ash and Paul were to ever get together, Paul would get fed up with Ash, QUICK.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:15 am


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I am in complete support for Ikarishipping. I think this because while they don't have much interaction, when they DO, there are sparks. Their personalities would be beautiful together.
I'm against Comashipping because I've never really been a fan of anybody with Ash but Misty, and if Ash and Paul were to ever get together, Paul would get fed up with Ash, QUICK.




What makes you think Paul wouldn't get fed up with Dawn just as quick though?
Paul and Ash have sparks as well.
Ash and Dawn have incredibly similar personalities.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:18 am


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I am in complete support for Ikarishipping. I think this because while they don't have much interaction, when they DO, there are sparks. Their personalities would be beautiful together.
I'm against Comashipping because I've never really been a fan of anybody with Ash but Misty, and if Ash and Paul were to ever get together, Paul would get fed up with Ash, QUICK.




What makes you think Paul wouldn't get fed up with Dawn just as quick though?
Paul and Ash have sparks as well.
Ash and Dawn have incredibly similar personalities.
Well, Im not really against Comashipping, just not for it!
I think that Dawn is more perky and cute than Ash, while Ash us more stubborn.
He might get fed up with Dawn, but I have a feeling he wouldn't be able to stay like that for long.
I honestly think most people who support this are just doing it for the yaoi.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:34 am


I Earthbound-Chan I
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I am in complete support for Ikarishipping. I think this because while they don't have much interaction, when they DO, there are sparks. Their personalities would be beautiful together.
I'm against Comashipping because I've never really been a fan of anybody with Ash but Misty, and if Ash and Paul were to ever get together, Paul would get fed up with Ash, QUICK.




What makes you think Paul wouldn't get fed up with Dawn just as quick though?
Paul and Ash have sparks as well.
Ash and Dawn have incredibly similar personalities.
Well, Im not really against Comashipping, just not for it!
I think that Dawn is more perky and cute than Ash, while Ash us more stubborn.
He might get fed up with Dawn, but I have a feeling he wouldn't be able to stay like that for long.
I honestly think most people who support this are just doing it for the yaoi.





Would it be fair to say that you are ONLY shipping Ikarishipping for the het?
I find Ash just as adorable as Dawn, and Dawn just as stubborn as Ash.
And anyway, Paul is attracted to STRENGTH, not "cutesey" behavior.

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