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 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:51 am
I've been told a few times that the world's problems are caused by a lack of religion. Now, in spite of the fact that this statement is false (I can think of problems that are caused by religion), it has gotten me thinking. Why do these people (whom, I've noticed, are usually Christians) think that the world would be a better place if everyone was religious? Even if everyone was the same religion, that wouldn't fix things. It's like school uniforms-if we can't pick on how you dress, we'll pick on you for some other reason. Religious people can and do hate. They can and do commit crimes, use drugs, kill people, etc. Why do people think that religion will stop this?
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:09 pm
Delusion is the only thing I can think of. Or maybe just lack of thought. People usually don't think these statements through. They think of their god as a good force in their life, and figure it's a good force in everyone's life. I don't really know.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:35 pm
Simple silliness on the part of those who say it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:15 pm
Blind faith seems to hinder some people's ability to think logically. It's rather sad, really.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:10 pm
Maybe they believe that if everyone followed the bible to a t, then all of the things we percieve as religion doing wrong, would be percieved as religion doing right. If we all had the same faith, especially one that had noble-esque ideals in the first place, some people believe that we wouldn't even be capable of doing wrong anymore. They fail to take into account the fact that every human is different. Some are sheeple and born to follow, some are born to be loners and some are born to lead.
Also, delusional is a great reason behind this illogic.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:28 pm
*I'm new here alert!* Slimy Hats Blind faith seems to hinder some people's ability to think logically. It's rather sad, really. Put quite well, Slimy Hats. Agreed. People that suggest "oh you should find a religion" are failing to take into account a number of things: 1) What, like take up *your* religion? Sounds like a sales pitch to me, and last I checked, religion is a personal choice in beliefs, values, and morals, not a consumer product to be sold. 2) Like Erin of Open Waters said, if we all followed the Bible/Quran/Torah/[insert religious book here] exactly, then we are blinding ourselves to any illogic behind them. Something tells me people wouldn't go over too well with the Bible-sanctioned owning of slaves (I know it's in there, but only by internet-reading), or the treatment of women (feminist movement anyone?) also sanctioned by the book. That's pretty much it; it's a book. What you get out of it is your benefit. Please stop trying to force your ideals upon everyone else. 3) What if I don't want a religion? I'm perfectly happy being slightly non-conformist in that I don't pray on a regular basis or subject my every action to the will of a, however enlightened, writer from ages past. For whoever attempts to convert me to one religion or another is assuming a lot of me. And really, premature assumptions/judgment are really a major factor in almost any conflict today. Off the soapbox, now, Aelita...
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:22 pm
The people who do bad things aren't really christians/whatever. Real christians/whatever never do anything wrong, by definition.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:35 pm
Slimy Hats Blind faith seems to hinder some people's ability to think logically. It's rather sad, really. Yes, it is. Especially since it says in the Bible: "Come now, let us reason together" (Isaiah 1:1 cool . Rilian "The people who do bad things aren't really christians/whatever. Real christians/whatever never do anything wrong, by definition. " Actually, part of being a Christian is accepting that humans sin and can never be perfect. Anyways, on the original point. I think the Bible is great and everything, but it can't solve all problems. Nothing can, we are all humans, meaning we are flawed. So it's impossible to have a perfect human society.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:41 pm
Rilian The people who do bad things aren't really christians/whatever. Real christians/whatever never do anything wrong, by definition.
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:09 pm
writercxvii Rilian The people who do bad things aren't really christians/whatever. Real christians/whatever never do anything wrong, by definition. Please explain this "No True Scotsman fallacy".
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:33 am
Rilian writercxvii Rilian The people who do bad things aren't really christians/whatever. Real christians/whatever never do anything wrong, by definition. Please explain this "No True Scotsman fallacy".
Person one: No Christrian would get an abortion.
Person two: Well, my mother got an abortion, and she's Christian.
Person one again: Well, no true Christian would get an abortion.
Wiki explains it much better.Wiki No true Scotsman is a term coined by Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking – or do I sincerely want to be right?: Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Press and Journal and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Press and Journal again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing." Flew's original example may be softened into the following [1]: Argument: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." Reply: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge." Rebuttal: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." This form of argument is an informal fallacy if the predicate ("putting sugar on porridge" or "doing such a thing [as committing a sex crime]") is not actually contradictory for the accepted definition of the subject ("Scotsman"), or if the definition of the subject is silently adjusted after the fact to make the rebuttal work.
It's because the accepted definition of Christian is "one who believes Yeshua was the Messiah and the son of YHWH". No where in there does it say they have to be a good person.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:52 pm
writercxvii It's because the accepted definition of Christian is "one who believes Yeshua was the Messiah and the son of YHWH". No where in there does it say they have to be a good person. Some people have a different definition. I saw a video once in which a muslim said that anything a muslim does is automatically good. I wonder if the scottish fallacy is in my Logic book. *reads*
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:11 pm
Rilian writercxvii It's because the accepted definition of Christian is "one who believes Yeshua was the Messiah and the son of YHWH". No where in there does it say they have to be a good person. Some people have a different definition. I saw a video once in which a muslim said that anything a muslim does is automatically good. I wonder if the scottish fallacy is in my Logic book. *reads* writercxvii Then they're describing Christian religions, not Christianity. Christianity is not a religion. It is a belief, specifically that Yeshua was the son of YHWH and the Messiah. There are religious variants of it, which take that beleif, tack on a whole bunch of extra s**t, and go from there. Christianity itself is just a belief. Christian religions are different.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:35 pm
It's along the lines of the misconception that if you aren't religious, havng God in your live will make you a better person. Although you can be spiritual without being a bible humper.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:53 pm
enae volare mezzo It's along the lines of the misconception that if you aren't religious, havng God in your live will make you a better person. Although you can be spiritual without being a bible humper. How does having God in your life make you a better person? If I recall some of the most heinous crimes ever committed were done so by religious people.
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