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Chaos Aiko

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:58 pm


So, I recently read two of Levithan's books: Wide Awake and Boy Meets Boy because I had heard such great things about him. Personally, I hated the books. Levithan writes as though he is writting for a preteen audience, but the some of the content is way too mature for him. In Wide Awake, he discusses the sensations of a boy's sex with another boy. I, (of course, being in the GLBT guild) have nothing against homosexual intercourse-but I would have felt no differently had the situation been between a straight couple. I concede that preteens are already exposed to sex, but why encourage it when someone is so young?!

Past having an ambigous appropriate age range, I feel that Levithan's books lack a strong, applicable plot. His stories (the two I read. I can say nothing about Are We There Yet?) seem to take place in an ideal world where most people are more accepting of diverse people than they are in reality. In this ideal world Levithan creates, all the issues his characters face seem realistic, however I feel that he does a poor job a conveying all the complex emotions that make life trails difficult. His characters also seem to be flawless except for one major flaw which Levithan focuses his main issues around, making both his characters and his plots less than believable. Both of the stories seem to lack an important depth to them.

One last petty thing: Levithan doesn't seem to like adverbs. It's literature- grammer should be more or less correct. Is it really so difficult to add an ly to words?

Please note: I know my opinion doesn't apply to everyone. I'm simply stating it for the point of disscussion. I'll respect your opinion, but please, respect mine.

Discuss:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:19 am


Wide Awake: I haven't read it myself, but ... personally I see nothing wrong with that. As you yourself said, most kids are exposed to sex pretty early on, so I doubt that coming across a sex scene in a book would make much of a difference. Especially if said scene is non-explicit. There's nothing wrong with having sex, even if you're young. It's jumping into it without really knowing what you're doing that would be wrong. Rather than keeping kids ignorant, providing more exposure, awareness and information and removing the lure of the slight mystery-ness, forbidden-ness, and grown-up-ness of it would be a much smarter thing to do.

Boy Meets Boy: I rather like conflict of the society vs. self sort, so yeah, the utopia-ness of the setting was more a turn-off than anything else for me. And you're right about the lack of depth to any of the characters, and about the main ones being too perfect. Nevertheless, it worked much better than I expected it to when I first picked it up. It is fun. And cute. And quirky and unique. So while I didn't love it, and wouldn't put it on my list of favorites, I did enjoy it. I'd rate it at 3.5/5?

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Chaos Aiko

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:06 pm


JinLucifer
Wide Awake: I haven't read it myself, but ... personally I see nothing wrong with that. As you yourself said, most kids are exposed to sex pretty early on, so I doubt that coming across a sex scene in a book would make much of a difference. Especially if said scene is non-explicit. There's nothing wrong with having sex, even if you're young. It's jumping into it without really knowing what you're doing that would be wrong. Rather than keeping kids ignorant, providing more exposure, awareness and information and removing the lure of the slight mystery-ness, forbidden-ness, and grown-up-ness of it would be a much smarter thing to do.


That's an intresting way of looking at it that I hadn't thought of, but I fear it'd simply lead youths into exploring it more. If all they read shows the good side of sex (what am I saying-there's only good in sex, right) without any of the potential consequences then, though the encounters they read about in literature may not be reckless, they may be reckless to try it. That's a bit much to blame on one story alone-it'd have to be continuous exposure from more than one source, but nonetheless, Wide Awake does it's part in encouraging it.

As for Boy Meets Boy, it was a "cute" story, but still, very juvinial.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:02 pm


I've only read Boy Meets Boy, but I agree with your ideas on the overly perfect.... everything, of the book.

I feel like it was a "training wheels" book for younger kids who are interested in reading GLBT literature, but don't want things to get messy yet. Because lets face it, messes help create characters and therefore better developed plots because we can see how they act in different environments. Levithan's book has conflict, but it's like the pre-school version where there's only right or wrong and everything will get better if you just clean it up and say you're sorry.

Now that I think about it, I really believe Boy Meets Boy has been my least favorite GLBT novel so far. And it's kind of a pity because it could've had a lot of potential. confused

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:44 pm


JinLucifer

Boy Meets Boy: I rather like conflict of the society vs. self sort, so yeah, the utopia-ness of the setting was more a turn-off than anything else for me. And you're right about the lack of depth to any of the characters, and about the main ones being too perfect. Nevertheless, it worked much better than I expected it to when I first picked it up. It is fun. And cute. And quirky and unique. So while I didn't love it, and wouldn't put it on my list of favorites, I did enjoy it. I'd rate it at 3.5/5?


I quite agree. I loved the book, but it does seem very...perfect. I'm talking more the setting than the characters. His parents are accepting, so isn't the society for the most part, and let's face it, there's always going to be that one a--hole that doesn't like it and keeps making a deal out of it. There isn't much depth to it, but...like the concenses seems to be, it is good, very fun and light, a quick read.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:51 pm


I agree, Boy Meets Boy was a bit of a letdown. I highly doubt society will ever be that accepting.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:02 pm


It is an ideal world, but that's why I love his books. They're how the world SHOULD be. So it's more like realistic fantasy, in a way. The world is fantasy, but the characters and how they live are realistic.

As for his adverbs or lack thereof, even as an English major, I don't pay that close attention to how someone writes. Everyone has their own style, and he has his. His editors don't seem to have a problem with it. So I don't care.

Personally, I loved Boy Meets Boy and Wide Awake. They were AMAZING books. The characters were great, the plotlines were great, and his writing is really good. He's one of my fave GLBT authors.

Also, he doesn't write for a pre-teen audience. He writes for teens, hence why his books are in the YA section. I like the fact that he incorporates sex in his book, and sometimes wish he'd write things more explicitly, lol, but that's just me and my pervy mind.

I've also read his book The Realm of Possibility, which was really good, and had a couple gay characters in it, but didn't focus on them. The book is written in verse, and goes between 20 different characters in the same high school.

And the book he co-wrote with Rachel Cohn, Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist, was really good too. Quite short, but still a good read.

So long story short, I completely disagree with you and, it seems, most everyone else in this thread. lol.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:50 pm


No one said that he was a terrible writer. I, as I stated, quite enjoy the books myself, I just believe that he writes what people WANT to read, and not the reality of things. The world that he has is idealistic to everyone who is gay or bi or trans, but that's not how things are. It would be great, but...if he incorporated one thing to focus on that was actually...real, then I think it may be a bit better.

As for his writing, I'm not going there. I personally think that he's more of a preteen author, but that's just me. Also, I believe that his characters are partly two dimensional, they don't have any real depth besides a short history that anyone could have written given five minutes.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:52 pm


What is the problem with writing what people want to read? Besides, it's what he wants to write, and people like it when he writes books that are about what the world should be like.

No, it's not how things are, but it's what they COULD be, hence why it's idealistic, and not realistic.

I also believe his writing is really good. I love his books, they're absolutely amazing, and his characters are great. I think they're realistic, and while not the most complex, they're still very relatable and are somewhat complex, I think.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:25 pm


That's true with the characters, but I like depth to my characters, I like it when I feel like they have history together, and not one or two little simple scenerios from when they were younger. I like to feel like the character could exist.

There isn't wrong with writing what people want to read, which is why I never said there was anything wrong with it. I'm just saying that it's almost like writing fantasy the world that he paints around these characters.

And as for his writing in general...it's good, but I wouldn't put him in the amazing category. At least, I wouldn't.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:03 pm


Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I love all his books and think he's an amazing writer of teen books, along with fellow gay authors Brent Hartinger and Alex Sanchez.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:08 pm


Agreeing to disagree is good. I'm glad you didn't take that as, like, a flame or something. A little healthy debate never hurt anyone, right?

Ooh, Alex Sanchez. I love him. I'm still waiting to get my hands on the last installment of the Rainbow Boys series.

I've never read anything from Brent Hartinger. Can you tell me the type of things he writes, like genre-wise and stuff.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:59 am


Brent's books are in the YA section. They're sorta similar to David's books, but more realistic. His gay books mainly consist of the Russel Middlebrook trilogy, which are Geography Club, Order of the Poison Oak, and Split Screen.

His non-gay books include Last Chance Texaco (really good), the middle grade novel Dreamquest (which is REALLY good; he sent me a review copy of it), and Grand and Humble (havent read yet).

Rainbow Road by Alex Sanchez is great! You'll totally love it.

I also enjoy YA authors Brian Sloan and James St. James.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:03 am


Oh, I've read Geography Club...never the other two thought...now I've gotta get my hands on those, just to see where it goes.

Thanks for the info.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:16 pm


So this is offtopic, but I dont know where else to post it. I JUST RECIEVED AN ARC OF "THE GOD BOX" BY ALEX SANCHEZ!!!! It looks amazing, and he included a two page letter to me. Well, a one page letter and then an attachment of emails he's gotten from teens who helped him get the idea for The God Box (or something like that).

I'm soooo happy!!

By the way, I got it so I could review it for my YA/chicklit book site on myspace. smile I'll also be interviewing Alex as well for my site.
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