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Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:00 pm


I know I'm going to get a lot people disagreeing with me on this topic. I'm completely anti-schooling. Schooling is here defined as compulsory standardized education.

Anyway, let's talk about it. Talk about your experiences with schooling and what you think about them. Do you send your children to school (or will you, if you have any)?

Say anything you think of that's school- or education-related.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:16 pm


When I have kids, they're going to be homeschooled. The only thing I think current education gives children is a lesson in being socialized.

The school I went to as a child was a magnet school, it was all about the arts. I didn't learn math and science until I was in the sixth grade. It was good in that I had arts, but bad in that it didn't prepare me for the rest of my academic carreer.

Schools need to be completely rethought. Not every child learns at the same level, and they don't all learn the same way. Compiling curriculum together and saying every kid at this age needs to know all of this is just stupid.

Ume Hotaru


Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:18 pm


Have you gone on to study science?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:22 pm


No, I've gone on to study Political Science and Drama.

Ume Hotaru


Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:46 pm


Then what does it matter that you didn't learn science as a child?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:50 pm


Ha, it doesn't. I'm more in favor of well rounded education, or vocational training.

Education as it is isn't well rounded. And it doesn't allow for vocational training.

Ume Hotaru


Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:57 pm


Yeah, I mostly agree with what you said.

If it's about getting a job, then vocational training is best.

If it's about learning about your world, then LIFE is best. Staring at a teacher, no matter how kind or intelligent, in a classroom can't replace real world experience.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:00 pm


Rilian
Yeah, I mostly agree with what you said.

If it's about getting a job, then vocational training is best.

If it's about learning about your world, then LIFE is best. Staring at a teacher, no matter how kind or intelligent, in a classroom can't replace real world experience.

Agreed; which is funny, because I want to be a teacher.

Ume Hotaru


Prince Rilian

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:16 pm


I used to want to be a teacher. But then I realized that my schooling had largely destroyed my desire and ability to learn. And my brother doesn't go to school anymore.

Now I'm disgusted by the entire industry.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:21 pm


No matter how disgusted I am by it, I still feel the need to teach. It's a sucky predicament.

Ume Hotaru


The Tragic Mime

Dangerous Guildsman

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:31 pm


I listen to Neal Boortz a lot, and whenever he gets an idiot caller and hangs up on them, he always says "See? This is what happens when a child attends a government school."

I'm hoping to send my kid to a private school if I'm ever so lucky. I'm still in High School, so all my memories of all school levels are vivid.

Elementary school: You're being picked on by a bully. The teacher confronts the bully, uses your name, and lets him off with a warning as to not hurt your feelings, leaving the bully free to harrass you again, even worse, and frighten you into snitching again.

Middle School: Cliques start, the teachers think its cute. Everyone who hasn't learned the unwritten rule of "No Snitching" soon learns the hard way by from "social block-outs" and "mass cold-shoulders". If you go to your guidance counselor, rather than helping you, they say "So what if you're being picked on? You're a snitch, what do you expect? Fight your own battles. Get over it, you'll feel better once you accept your place in life."

High School: Things get a little easier. If you dont belong to a clique yet you're in trouble. You better find one quick or be the social punchingbag. Everybody gets a little stressed out from time to time, 'specially the jocks, so if you dont have a clique or dont belong to a fad, you're fair game for ridicule. Once again, the guidance counselor wont do a thing. Why? Because the guidance counselors are no longer there for making you feel better, they're there for schedule changes and extra cirricular activites. There are two kinds of teachers: Liberal Democrats who force their opinions on you, and the Liberal Democrats who dont. The liberal Democrats who dont are the nice ones, the ones who tell you they aren't allowed to disclose to you their political affiliation. The ones who do force their opinions on you dont do it out in the open. They aren't really blunt about it, they make sure that their opinions are placed in your projects. "Class, tonight's homework assignment is a five-paragraph essay on the crimes or failures our soldiers have committed in the Iraq War. This is history class, your youth and open-mindedness is going to make history."

The only reason I enjoy my education is for my electives and the friends I've gained.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:53 pm


You'd be hard pressed to find a good school. (I've heard that they do exist, but I've never been to one.) The best option is to keep them out of school and let them experience real life. They do it for 5 years before school, so it won't be hard.

The good schools are not places where "learning" is forced, but are what they should be: a resource. A good school is a place that provides opportunities, introduces new ideas, and basically functions as a big, safe playground (note that playing is how we learn).

Prince Rilian


Erin of Open Waters

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:26 pm


Schooling is in some ways a good idea. It teaches children basic social interaction, usually how to read and write coherently. It teaches the basics of politics and even sports. But there is a point when schooling becomes useless. After that point, it's better to let the student out to learn for themselves and think creativly, rather than being forced to learn what anachronisms are when it's something most will never use again or even remember.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:33 pm


I'm rather lucky on the school front right now. I go to a K-12 performing and visual arts school, which is where all of the outcasts ended up. We have 90% of my city's gay youth population, more goths, scene kids and other various sub-groups than you can count. The teachers are fine, one being a zen buddhist and another who would sneak off and smoke weed during class. I'm not saying all the teachers are like that, but you can tell that they love our school, and the students inside it. My science teacher has never taught at another school but ours, and she's been teaching for 32 years now.

Erin of Open Waters


23rd

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:52 pm


many schools have poor systems set up, but I support education. since not everyone has time to teach their children, and not every child is able to learn on their own, schools are neccessary.
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