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One thing I've seen from quite a few pro-lifers is this:



Occasionally, I'll see "in cases where it will kill the mother/is exceptionally harmful to the mother" thrown in too, but this one I understand. (Sort of. Feel free to discuss this, too.)

But the thing is, I don't get the other two, for various reasons. If it's rape, sure, you can say that the child will grow up to become a rapist too. But that's an argument from potential, and it's a fallacy. The kid could also end up curing cancer. Or it could be the next Stalin. Hell, with this argument, you could argue that the kid could be a Kwisatz Haderach. So, an argument from potential fails.

Then there's the argument that she might not want to have the rapists child as a reminder of the fact that she was raped. Well, news flash people: Occasionally, a woman is raped by her boyfriend/fiancé/husband. A rapist doesn't have to be someone you don't know. So, we're left with hypothetical scenario A: Man gets fired. He's pissed, he get's drunk. Goes home, wants to assert his control over things by banging his wife. But she's not in the mood. So, he rapes her. Next day, realizes what he's done, get's all apologetic, and they agree all is fine and dandy, since they're in love, no real damage was done, and it was a one time thing. She gets pregnant, but they've already got kids or they want kids, so it's all good. (That was hypothetical, remember). Casts a totally different light on that argument, does it? And even if it's a total stranger who rapes her, hypothetical scenario B: There is no trauma. Now, just to be fair, I'll give a third scenario. Hypothetical scenario C: It's someone she knew and trusted, and the fact that she'd know they're the father would cause big psychological issues. And D: It's a total stranger, and there is trauma. So, I think that covers all the bases.

I can't think of any more for rape, but if one is presented, I'll deal with it.

Incest: For starters, we're dealing only with consenual incest. Rape is rape, so...yeah. I've also only heard a few for this, so there might be more.

It leads to deformed babies. 1) I've seen no actual proof that it's more likely in incest couples. 2) Some nonrelated couples have high chances of deformed babies, too. 3) Saying that you should abort deformed babies is elitism.

It's disgusting (Referring to parent/child or sister/brother)-once again, newsflash: Some incest is cousin/cousin or nephew/aunt or uncle/niece. It's not all close relations.

Well, that's it, for now.

Discuss:
>What makes these instances more valid for abortion?

I ask you: Could you imagine being raped by some guy you didn't know and then having their baby?
Hypothetically, how would that make you feel?

But why is how I feel important? Should I terminate a fetus just because it's father was an a*****e? That'd just be me being a b***h. I can't believe I'm saying this, but...I could carry it to term, then put it up for adoption. I shouldn't just terminate it on the principal of how it got there.

What's wrong with incest?

Once, on SVU, they said something about a "victim of incest". But what they meant was a girl who was raped by her father. So why didn't they just say a "victim of rape"?

When people are closely related (within 3 "steps" of each other) there's a significantly higher chance of birth defects... but there's also a higher chance of getting a really smart, really strong, really healthy child!

If it's consensual, nothing. Incestous rape is bad on the principal that it's rape.

The only real issue with incest is the societal stigma agaisnt it.

Eh. I got a feeling that if you're ever raped (not saying you will be, not saying you wont *winkwinknudgenudge*) your position might change a little. Just saying. I get your point, but it doesnt completely persuade me.

I want a baby so much that I would probably be both happy and angry at the fact that I was raped, if it led to a baby. Yea! But, anyway, I'm going to have a baby with some consentual sex in about 1 year. Yea!

I posted this in the Abortion Debate thread.


Now, people say its okay to abort Incest-babies 'cos there's a higher chance for birth defects. Why couldn't I abort because my fetus would have a good chance of being brought into the world with Bipolar disorder, or possibly quite sickly? In fact, there's a very high chance neither I or the fetus would survive, so why wouldn't I be able to abort?
The logic is incredibly faulty.