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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:27 am
I started going in-depth about how I think magic works in the "World Creation" thread, and thought that it could do with its own thread.
Here's what I posted in "World Creation."DM_Melkhar In my world, I think of magic in a kind of scientific way as well. Magic in itself in what I have created has it's own existence of sorts, but it acts as a catalyst in some ways. For example, if magic can be drawn from other planes/dimensions, the reactions are between that plane and the wielder. However, the existence of magic in my world can also be construed as something completely different. If I explained what I meant exactly, then it opens me up to plagiarism. I suppose what I am trying to say is that magic exists in a completely separate plane of existence where no being from other planes could really exist. I've been thinking of it almost like magic itself is sentient (maybe I'm just confusing the issue here, I don't know).
A = the wielder.
B = the element/type of magic from whatever plane it comes from.
C = the essence of magic.
D = the spell.
1.) A's goal is to cast D.
2.) D is the product of B and C.
3.) C merges B with itself and produces D.
4.) D is brought into the realm of the wielder and is cast.
That could almost sound dirty couldn't it? confused
Maybe that could have been worded a bit better if I had enough time to play with words, but it gets the point across.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:03 am
I actually agree actually to a lot of that. In a sense, magic is conducted in a way, that you put in somethings to create another, if that makes sense, just like you said. So you would take something "magical" to add to something else to make a form of Magic... I do hope that makes sense to someone. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:14 pm
I didn't completely follow wverything, but it seems that the main point is that magic can't come from nothing ot be there just because. Maybe it is a little like a light bulb. Light bulbs might seem magical - flip a switch and light comes from a glass ball - but if you understand it then you know that the light is the product of electricity running through a wire. Similarly magic might simply involve the transformation of certain energy or power through various means into different forms. To those who don't understand magic, it is well, magic (for lack of a better term).
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:26 pm
SirKirbance I didn't completely follow wverything, but it seems that the main point is that magic can't come from nothing ot be there just because. Maybe it is a little like a light bulb. Light bulbs might seem magical - flip a switch and light comes from a glass ball - but if you understand it then you know that the light is the product of electricity running through a wire. Similarly magic might simply involve the transformation of certain energy or power through various means into different forms. To those who don't understand magic, it is well, magic (for lack of a better term). I agree. There are many components of a light bulb, just like magic is not as simple as it looks. There's the energy needed to use magic, as well as limitations in ability by the wielder, as well as training and experience on the wielder's part. Magic is not waving a wand and saying gibberish, just as J.K. Rowling has expressed.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:46 pm
Demon Captain SirKirbance I didn't completely follow wverything, but it seems that the main point is that magic can't come from nothing ot be there just because. Maybe it is a little like a light bulb. Light bulbs might seem magical - flip a switch and light comes from a glass ball - but if you understand it then you know that the light is the product of electricity running through a wire. Similarly magic might simply involve the transformation of certain energy or power through various means into different forms. To those who don't understand magic, it is well, magic (for lack of a better term). I agree. There are many components of a light bulb, just like magic is not as simple as it looks. There's the energy needed to use magic, as well as limitations in ability by the wielder, as well as training and experience on the wielder's part. Magic is not waving a wand and saying gibberish, just as J.K. Rowling has expressed.
The light bulb analogy works really well though I must admit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:20 am
So where were we?
My point was that in my world magic is brought into being by channelling it through other planes of existence. It has to come from somewhere rather than thin air.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:37 pm
As I rummage through papers I have decided to post a rather long winded explanation of my opinion on the arcane. As I have explained before Magic and science are often one in the same. Fasten your seat belts and get ready to visit the world of Amin. It's still a work in progress, but I am working on a complete guide to magic. I will post the first two links in the chain. It's rather simple to follow if you pay attention to the numbers.
1. Elemental Magic
1.1 Nature’s Elemental Magic
1.2. Summoned Elemental Magic
1.3. Golem Magic
2. Fey Magic
3. Berthed Abilities
3.1. Natural Races
3.2. Desecrated Races
4. Developed Abilities
4.1. Learned Magic
4.2 Taught Magic
5. Alchemical Magic
5.1. Potions
5.2. Conversion
5.2.1. Alchemical Clay
6. Enchantments
6.1.Magically Applied
6.2. Naturally Applied
7. Voodoo Magic
7.1. Illusionary Magic
7.1.1. Invisibility
7.1.2. Illusionalistic Summoning
7.1.3. Doppelganger Craft
7.1.4. Replication
7.1.5. Image Projection
7.2 Vajoo Magic
7.2.1. Story Telling Magic
7.2.2. Magic of the Song
7.2.3. Fist of the Monkey
8. Desecrator Magic
8.1 Fusion Magic
8.2 Mutative Magic
8.3 Destructive Magic
This is how I classify magic. All magic comes from a simple blending of the elements. The main three areas from which you could gain Knowledge are the A) Harnessing of Fey Magic, B) Being born with an ability (which is usually the result of a neurological anomaly, or C) You are able to manipulate the Elements themselves. I try to keep it simple. Everything has a place, a proper channel through which it works. Magic isn't something otherworldly, it's always there, it's simply a matter of opening yourself up to controlling it. If you would like examples of a magic that you haven't seen before I will gladly provide you with one. Even the best have to study, practice, learn. Never is magic as simple as it is commonly depicted. You can't say a few gay sounding words and summon things. It takes years to learn the most basic of summons, and weeks to perform them. Them simplest of magical elements is potion craft, and thats because it's not really magic, it has just always been classified as such.
Magic is here "just because" if you think about it everything is here just because. Unless you submit to a religious belief that we come from some divine being, it's all here by happenstance.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:52 am
DM_Melkhar So where were we?
My point was that in my world magic is brought into being by channelling it through other planes of existence. It has to come from somewhere rather than thin air. That makes a lot of sense. The magical power already exists - man's magic is not inventing or creating the power, but discovering the power and learning how to harness it. This might just be the light bulb analogy all over again - but from a different point of view. It's like the electricity. Humans invented light bulbs but not electricity. Similarly great wizards spells harness existing power - from other planes of existence, from the elements or other forces of nature, or from deities in the case of divine magic (a different case really - since this involves mortals asking other, more powerful, beings to use or grant power on our behalf).
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:37 am
I suppose that does sound a bit dirty Mel, he-he.
Nice going Widigo! That reminds me of FFTA somehow... and as SK says, it makes a lot of sense. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:36 pm
Is this about something I said a long time ago?
I don't know what you're talking about.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:35 am
Yes it is actually. Something you said on yer first post. I suppose I came in too late to mention it... rolleyes
BTW, could we discuss "Magic the Gathering" here too?
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:07 pm
No, it's a game. That would go in the Games Room.
We're talking about actual magic here.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm
I think the lightbulb analogy works quite well. Man invented the lightbulb to harness the energy of electricity and manipulate it to do what they needed with it. Just as wizards have found ways to tap into the stream of energy known as magic.I beleive that it indeed has to come from somewhere whether it comes from a different plane of existence to meld with the elements or it is actually drawn from the elements it still has to be there before the spell is cast.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:11 pm
Yeah, I think the light bulb analogy fits too. Can you believe a game (day of the tentacle) has Ben Franklin saying he invented electricity? I bet they were just trying to be funny but still... rolleyes
I remember reading something about "Do you think electricity is just under some rock, waiting to be discovered?" lol
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:52 pm
It was discovered by the Greeks originally I think.
Anyway, referring to SK's thread in the "Other Earths" thread...
Chi energy is mental, but because it's something that's rare still and takes a lot of time and effort to do, it's "supernatural". I know that there's something that connects me to HMS Victory, Horatio Nelson and the Battle of Trafalgar. I don't just think there is, I feel it in my soul. Most people wouldn't consider that "normal". It'd be considered as supernatural.
What the Shaolin Monks can do is supernatural because it's not exactly "normal". One of the pastors I've met who has visited the church I go to used to be able to levitate. It's witchcraft, and therefore abominable in the eyes of the Lord, but this pastor did this BEFORE he became a Christian. Levitation can be construed as "magic", but the means used to perform it are mental. In fantasy, what is the means of using magic? The mind. In Dungeons & Dragons, a mage requires INT (Intellect) in order to use magic and cast it effectively. Intellect relates to the mind and thinking. Chi energy requires intellect, concentration, time & effort, willpower and a strength of the mind to use. Telekinesis is a part of it too. It can be construed as magic because magic is a "mental" skill.
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