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 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:01 pm
Oky Doky...time for me to make a thread.
Animal rights, this is a big topic in the world today, so I'm sure most of you have an opinion about it.
By defenition, animal rights is the idea that all animals (cows, pigs, birds, ect...) Deserve equal rights to humans. For example, if you hit a deer on the road, it would be the legal equivalent to murder.
Animal rights groups such as PeTA (now I know you've heard of them), are notorious for pushing their message on people with sensationalist imagery and propaganda. Using these tactics they have been able to pass several laws in various state govenments, mostly California.
Here's an example of Peta's Propaganda. (Warning NOT for the faint of heart:
Peta activist actully hand out these "buckets of blood" to children going by or into KFC
A typical anti-fur Peta ad.
One of several comics that peta produces and passes out to children
Another comic Peta produces.
Here's some resource sites if you need/want more info:
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
Link to PeTA, the biggest, badest animal rights group.
Human Society of the United States
Don't let the name decieve you, the HSUS is just as extremist as PeTA is.
National Animal Intrest Alliance
An animal Welfarist group. Big difference from Animal Rights groups.
Center for Consumer Freedom.
An organization that is feverently opposed to animal rights groups, Peta in particular.
Ok, so Discuss:
-Rights, should animals get them?
-Animal Rights groups, good, bad, dangerous?
-Where do you draw the line with animal rights?
-Is Peta's approach the right one?
-Is Peta's use of propaganda, especially with children, appropriate?
-Anything else pertaining to animal rights.<3
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:06 pm
We are different than animals, and thus get different rights. I think the best way to judge animal morals is the idea of suffering and use - if an animal is killed relatively painless manner and is put to an actual use without hurting the species/ecosystem(s) it relates to, then we're all good. After all, if you want to be just plain "survival of the fittest" then the fact that a person could kill basically any animal with relative ease can be your excuse. But yeah, torture is pretty bad n' stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:11 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:21 pm
Hitting a deer with your vehicle should not be 'murder'. I can imagine virtually all cases of hitting deer are accidental, as they tend to run out in the road and just stand there. In that case, if the animal had rights, it would be vehicular slaughter, but I don't know the specifics about these things.
I think, to a certain extent, animals should have rights. For example, I like that in San Francisco, if you buy a pet you are considered its 'guardian', not its owner.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:27 pm
-Rights, should animals get them?
Yes
-Animal Rights groups, good, bad, dangerous?
More like eccentric and misguided. But I guess everyone needs their Crusade...
-Where do you draw the line with animal rights?
The dinner table. Humans need to eat and getting eaten in nature is anything but humane. I don't care so much about the clothing products made from animals either, though I am against animals being hunted exclusively for them. And I shouldn't have to say how much against animal testing I am, but when given the option between a pig or your best friend, who would you choose?
Overall though, the only area that I would grab a pitchfork over would be senseless animal cruelty. And for me that entails trophy hunting, illegal capture and sale of exotic animals and/or their body parts, and pet abuse. The rest unfortunately is a sad necessity.
-Is Peta's approach the right one?
No.
-Is Peta's use of propaganda, especially with children, appropriate.
You're kidding right? Why would I want my or any child to feel horrible because humans are omnivores by nature? And regardless of how civilized we've become, we still have a hunter's instinct. So I see no wrong in hunting, gutting, or any of it. Like I said, nature is anything but humane.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:58 pm
Animals should not have equal rights, because they can't handel such rights. But I do believe they should have some rights, but not equal. Oh and since you are talking about ALL animals should have equal rights. You shouldn't forget about the animals who are not cute. Like these animals.  Do you honestly want them to have the rights to use your public restrooms? Or to eat at your dinner table? Think about it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:22 pm
Animals deserve equal consideration. It is just as silly to talk about a hamster's right to vote, as it is to talk about a man's right to an abortion. But we should not make animals suffer. Mankind likes to think that it's different from other animals, but I have yet to see a difference that is morally significant.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:04 pm
This is better than the propaganda comics.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:07 pm
Kiyrugoji This is better than the propaganda comics. HOLY CRAP A RED X!
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:35 pm
I think we can all agree that PETA is ******** insane.
I guess I'm not bringing much new to this debate, but I'll throw in my two cents.
Animals should receive sympathy, not worship.
From a personal standpoint, I refuse to cut meat out of my diet.
I have Coeliac Sprue. In a nutshell, I have severe allergic reactions to Gluten, which is found in Wheat, Barley, Oats, Rye, and some others.
That means, no Pizza Hut, no Captain Crunch, no Krispy Cream.
Gonna tell me I can't have bacon? ******** you.
Eh, that's just me.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:36 pm
Of course nobody's talking about voting rights for animals, or anything similar to that. But it's wrong to make animals suffer when it's unnecessary, and it almost always is. In this respect, hunting is more morally justified than common practices of domestication. Factory farms are currently the most atrocious thing going on in terms of violating animals' rights.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:37 pm
Grott I think we can all agree that PETA is ******** insane. I guess I'm not bringing much new to this debate, but I'll throw in my two cents. Animals should receive sympathy, not worship. From a personal standpoint, I refuse to cut meat out of my diet. I have Coeliac Sprue. In a nutshell, I have severe allergic reactions to Gluten, which is found in Wheat, Barley, Oats, Rye, and some others. That means, no Pizza Hut, no Captain Crunch, no Krispy Cream. Gonna tell me I can't have bacon? ******** you. Eh, that's just me. Wow, that sucks. I don't think we should stop eating animals, I just think we should treat them humanely, and slaughter them humanely.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:39 pm
olive17 Of course nobody's talking about voting rights for animals, or anything similar to that. But it's wrong to make animals suffer when it's unnecessary, and it almost always is. In this respect, hunting is more morally justified than common practices of domestication. Factory farms are currently the most atrocious thing going on in terms of violating animals' rights. I concur.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:42 pm
Koravin Grott I think we can all agree that PETA is ******** insane. I guess I'm not bringing much new to this debate, but I'll throw in my two cents. Animals should receive sympathy, not worship. From a personal standpoint, I refuse to cut meat out of my diet. I have Coeliac Sprue. In a nutshell, I have severe allergic reactions to Gluten, which is found in Wheat, Barley, Oats, Rye, and some others. That means, no Pizza Hut, no Captain Crunch, no Krispy Cream. Gonna tell me I can't have bacon? ******** you. Eh, that's just me. Wow, that sucks. I don't think we should stop eating animals, I just think we should treat them humanely, and slaughter them humanely. Most of them are, a lot of pictures organizations like Peta show are pictures of animals getting life saving operations altered to look like they're being tortured, most people that depend on livestock as a living are going to treat the animal humanely, they typically don't want their livelyhood to go downhill because of bad treatment that makes them die before they're ready to be killed and processed.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:46 pm
boogiemonster Koravin Grott I think we can all agree that PETA is ******** insane. I guess I'm not bringing much new to this debate, but I'll throw in my two cents. Animals should receive sympathy, not worship. From a personal standpoint, I refuse to cut meat out of my diet. I have Coeliac Sprue. In a nutshell, I have severe allergic reactions to Gluten, which is found in Wheat, Barley, Oats, Rye, and some others. That means, no Pizza Hut, no Captain Crunch, no Krispy Cream. Gonna tell me I can't have bacon? ******** you. Eh, that's just me. Wow, that sucks. I don't think we should stop eating animals, I just think we should treat them humanely, and slaughter them humanely. Most of them are, a lot of pictures organizations like Peta show are pictures of animals getting life saving operations altered to look like they're being tortured, most people that depend on livestock as a living are going to treat the animal humanely, they typically don't want their livelyhood to go downhill because of bad treatment that makes them die before they're ready to be killed and processed. Actually, most livestock are raised in abominable conditions. Factory farms are the majority.
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