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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:37 am
Okay, for now I think I'm going to make this a pretty open thread. I'll add info and specifics as I see how the thread progresses.
Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? (this isn't meant to be a loaded question. I'm not trying to say it's either.) Is homosexuality natural? (in any sense of the word) Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Should religion impact the gay debate? Why are people homophobic? Other related topics?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:46 am
Koravin Okay, for now I think I'm going to make this a pretty open thread. I'll add info and specifics as I see how the thread progresses. Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Of moral concern? No... Is homosexuality natural? Yes Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Yes, if two men (or women) are madly in love with each other what right do we have to stop them? Should religion impact the gay debate? No, with religion impacting the gay debate you are crossing the line between church and state. Most homphobia branches from, "the bible says it's wrong" Why are people homophobic? Because the bible says it's wrong... Because it is different... Because it is misunderstood. Other related topics? None that I can think of now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:57 am
Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Not to me. It's easily morally defensible. (Does that even make sense grammatically? Heh...) Is homosexuality natural? In my mind, yes. Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Why shouldn't it? Should religion impact the gay debate? It's OK to believe what you want to believe as long as you don't persecute others for it. Why are people homophobic? A number of reasons.
On a side note, shouldn't linaloki's mega post be in here?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:02 am
Koravin Okay, for now I think I'm going to make this a pretty open thread. I'll add info and specifics as I see how the thread progresses. Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Is homosexuality natural? Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Should religion impact the gay debate? Why are people homophobic? Other related topics? 1: I dont really think it's good or bad. I mean- you like what you like, I guess. To each his own. 2: I dont know. Everyone else says it is. I really dont think that a sexual preference is determined at birth, seeing how nothing sexual kicks in till puberty. 3: Go for it. I'm just a little worried that once gay marriage is permitted, things will go downhill, starting with being able to marry pets and junk. 4: Should it? I dont know. Does it? Yeah. 5: People are homophobic because they just think its different. Or gross. I can sympathize with the latter, I cant stand watching two men make out. Or two women for that matter, either.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:03 am
Kiyrugoji Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Not to me. It's easily morally defensible. (Does that even make sense grammatically? Heh...)Is homosexuality natural? In my mind, yes.Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Why shouldn't it?Should religion impact the gay debate? It's OK to believe what you want to believe as long as you don't persecute others for it.Why are people homophobic? A number of reasons.On a side note, shouldn't linaloki's mega post be in here? I think I invited linaloki, but I dont think he joined. I dont think it'd be right to just steal his post.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:05 am
Ah, thanks. I was sort of wondering about that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:13 am
I think everyone should be free to choose how they want to live and free to reap the consequences thereof. That goes for just about every sexuality and though I might be a hypocrite and say I'm against *****, the sad truth there remains that they certainly don't need my permission to go ahead and do the deed.
As for whether or not religion should impact it, the truth there is that whether it should or shouldn't, it does. Regardless of what the Constitution says, this country was founded by Christians and it was assumed that the religious tolerance would pertain only to the various sects that believe in the Judeo-Christian god. I very much doubt that if we could go back and ask those founding fathers that they would give the thumbs up to Satanism, Wicca, or any of the other religions vying for their right to exist.
That said, this country stopped being theirs the minute they dropped dead and the fact remains that their ideas are much like the Bible is today, being open for interpretation.
Also, I don't think people are homophobic simply because someone or thing says it is 'wrong'. I think it is because people are afraid of change. And it isn't so much the homosexual issue as what it entails, which for many of the Bible thumpers is yet another sign of the moral decline in society. I mean if homosexuals are allowed to screw and marry as they please, then what's next? Televised Satanic sacrifices in place of the national anthem? A female president? God forbid!
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:09 am
Is homosexuality of moral concern?
Nope. At least, not by my morals. Is it good or bad? Wow...loaded question much? I think it's okay for other people...I wouldn't become homosexual myself, though. Is homosexuality natural? As in, does it occur in nature? Or in, is it normal? Clarify, please. Should gay marriage be legalized? Either that, or civil unions should become common practice. Should religion impact the gay debate? Nope. Read Ananel's Thesis. It basically explain how religion has no case against homosexuality. Why are people homophobic? Why are people racist or antisemitic? There are narrow-minded people everywhere. Other related topics?If you're interested - Ananel's Thesis
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:25 am
Koravin Okay, for now I think I'm going to make this a pretty open thread. I'll add info and specifics as I see how the thread progresses. Topics: Is homosexuality of moral concern? Nope. Neither. Quote: Is homosexuality natural? All signs point to yes. Quote: Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Along with polygamy. Quote: Should religion impact the gay debate? It's not a matter of "should". It will if the people are religious. You can't really expect religious people to ignore their religion. As far as what that entails, it's always a matter of heated debate. Quote: Why are people homophobic? Because it's different. Old people give me the willies because I'm rarely around any.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:40 am
Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Morales were only created by the Catholic Church to instill the fear of Hellfire within the congregation. Morales should be shot. Whether or not it is good or bad is irrelevant because of below.
Is homosexuality natural? If dogs can be gay then why not humans - of course it is natural it has only been stifled by the Catholic Church for its bad morales.
Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Totally every should have the option whether or not they choose to.
Should religion impact the gay debate? It already has.....
Why are people homophobic? They are afraid that they may be hit on or they are gay.
Other related topics? - The Nazis tried to stop homosexuals by castrating them - In the 1960s men were sent to psychiatric wards in order to recieve treatment for their 'condition' - Lesbianism was never out-lawed in the UK as Queen Victoria thought that women didn't to that
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:45 am
Koravin Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? It's not good or bad, it just is.Is homosexuality natural? Of course.Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) I don't see why not.Should religion impact the gay debate? Personally, I do not think it should, but I understand why people make this connection.Why are people homophobic? I can't pretend to understand why homophobes are homophobes. However if I had to guess it's because there own homosexual/bisexual thoughts make them uncomfortable. I think that if you are comfortable with your sexuality, you wouldn't feel scared of someone else's.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:02 am
If the religious beliefs of some determined the legality of same-sex relationships or sexual activity, that would be the state not only endorsing a specific religion, but also forcing it on us.
Also, anything that happens is natural. Would you care to qualify that question?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:52 am
Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Not IMHO.
Is homosexuality natural? I suppose so... nature-wise?
Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) No. However, civil unions should be reformed - Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Should religion impact the gay debate? It will anyway, even if you ask nicely.
Why are people homophobic? Hm... I'm not sure. I guess fear of different things, but thats pretty vague. I'll think about it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:57 am
Koravin Is homosexuality of moral concern? Is it good or bad? Morality is subjective. Society shouldn't decide what other's should do when what happens behind closed doors shouldn't be any of their damn business anyway.Quote: Is homosexuality natural? I am not an authority on the matter, by homosexuality happens in nature, and it doesn't seem to effect the ecosystem in a negative or positive way. So I would say yes, it is natural.Quote: Should gay marriage be legalized? (mind you, I live in the states) Of course. If a man wants to marry a man, let him. Ditto for women. People try to say its special rights, because they pull the "but you have to be gay" to get gay marriage. Shesh, people like tricky wording and taking things out of context.
Its none of the government's business, anyway, in deciding who is allowed to marry or not. That's comparable to them deciding who can have children (the biological way) or not. Sorry lesbians, you're gay. Sorry teenagers, making you have an abortion now.Quote: Should religion impact the gay debate? No. It should only impact that person who the religion affects. God hates fags? Ok. Maybe those "fags" worship a different God than you. stfu.Quote: Why are people homophobic? People like having a scapegoat. Its easy for anyone to say so-and-so is why "immoral" things happen. Remember the Nazis? Yeah.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:12 pm
Here's my view on gay marriage. I'm going to try and word this as best as I can, but when I've tried to explain before people seem to get offended.
I think gay marriage should be legal in the US. A lot of Christians believe homosexuality is a sin, but I've done some research and I don't believe the Bible says that. However, people will be people, and while I don't believe there's anything wrong with gay marriage, I think churches should have the right to refuse gay marriage ceremonies if they think its against their religion. (This does not mean I think homosexuality is against any particular religion)
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