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Das Tor

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:10 am


Ammy! O k a m i and I are working on joint character concepts...Mine just happens to be the one in the concept thread while she works the kinks out of hers.

Léonore seems to be a bit stubborn in coming out of my head, so she's going to be low-priority at the moment...-sigh- Better a good character made with time than a bad character made in two minutes. -nods sagely-


NAME Léonore Pasteur
GENDER Female
AGE
RACE Pennier
HOMETOWN Esprevere
OCCUPATION Before becoming an adventurer, Léonore helped out in the library of the Zephyr Aerie. She would love to be able to continue that.

APPEARANCE
The top of her hair is pitch black, and the rest is an ash blonde; very reminiscent of the head feathers of a black-crowned-crane. Her wings and tail are a mix of a Black Crowned Crane and a Magpie.

PERSONALITY


HISTORY


COMMON KNOWLEDGE

DIVISION Offensive Magic
CLASS PROGRESSION Breezecaller > Windwalker > Galerunner

Please detail what each job/stage for your character entails: how they fight, what they will be wearing, etc. (As with above, reference images are very helpful.)

Also include a proposal of point distributions at each stage. Melee, Ranged, and Magic/Other are left for you to customize to your class as you see fit. HP and Evade are structured by which of the three disciplines you feel you best fit under.

SPECIAL SKILLS
Your character may gain one special battle skill per level. A special battle skill is one that effects the battle system numbers. See the official battle skills list. Players may not create their own skills except in extreme circumstances where there is absolutely no standardized skill that can be applied to an essential job class skill.

Characters may also have as many non-battle/narrative skills (ones that do not effect battle system numbers / are narrative only effects, such as lock picking) as they would like / makes sense for their class.

Each race has its own inherent racial traits which should be taken into account. 3nodding

WEAPON What do you carry around to fight with? This could just be a book if they're a mage. Or nothing. You don't have to have a weapon.
LEVEL One
POINT ASSIGNMENT Melee (), Ranged (), Magic/Other () - These next three should just be dumping the numbers you allotted at level one into the form for our quick reference.
HIT POINTS Based on division.
EVADE Also based on division.
OTHER NOTES Use this section to justify any modifications you've taken on HP and Evade. Or to talk about whatever!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:12 am


I'm having the same problem going through this concept as I did with Bennu - could you please format in some paragraphs? The sections are kind of big and blobby, and could do with being split up and organized more neatly.

We are concerned that Leonore's hobbies and appearance read too much like Fuu from Magic Knights Rayearth. We would prefer that you change the appearance, especially, and try to go in a different direction with the wind mage concept, because the Fuu-like wind mage is something that's rather common to see.

Also, we have a mod who's around 5'1", and I know people who are below 5' and very small, and no one runs into them. You're likely to run into anyone if you're not paying attention, regardless of your height. I'm 5'8" and I get beefed in the shoulders and stomach by inattentive people all the time.

The mod team is uncomfortable with approving any character whose central personality point is that they suffer mental abuse. This is a dangerous area to tread - you could seriously offend someone if you portray something incorrectly - and we feel that Leonore's "mental abuse" is illogical and her reaction to it, too, is illogical and not typical of abuse sufferers. Leonore doesn't need to have suffered mental abuse to be extremely shy.

The mods decided that carrying a notebook and charcoal into battle with her is a very bad idea - in the heat of battle, Leonore would end up using all her turns to write things. She would end up being useless in battle. You may want to rethink the stuttering or lose the notebook in battle; it just seems a bit too silly.

Finally, I feel like Leonore is a bit too close to Sisel for comfort - separated by only a few traits and the fact that Leonore lacks many of Sisel's faults. Both are shy, bookish and extremely organizated characters with public speaking issues and low self-esteem. However, you mention in the last part of the personality that when Leonore gets to know someone, she's very talkative - this, I feel, overwrites much of what you wrote before. If Leonore joins the Asterion League, then she will get to know people and make friends and generally mingle mostly with the people she knows. This means that she will be much more talkative - what happened to her shyness and stuttering?

Also, I think the fact that she talks with the wind needs to be explained a bit more. Is she actually literally having a conversation? And the wind is talking back? Or is she just ... talking to herself? If she's just talking to herself, then you need to address this because that's definitely not normal.

We feel that Leonore's parents actions are illogical. If they're involved in politics, they would probably dote on a sickly, crippled daughter and not act disgusted. Doting on a sick, asthmatic daughter makes you look like a caring, nurturing parent to the public, which is probably what they want. Also, asthma is serious, but it's also fairly common; I find it hard to believe that developing asthma would cause parents to cast out their own child. We are just uncomfortable with how the abuse was handled and portrayed in this character.

Also, at eight, Leonore would have - from an Earth standpoint - only been in third grade. I can see third graders understanding "good guy!" and "bad guy!" but not the intricacies of the Fin de Saison. I would say it would be better to make her much older at this point, if you wanted to still include her understanding what was actually going on. She would have to be at least fourteen or fifteen for me to be comfortable with her understanding the intricacies of the Fin de Saison.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:52 am


I understand most of your concerns, and I will fix them. To be honest...I wasn't even thinking of Fuu when I came up with Léonore. Now that you mention it...gah. I'll take that pic down and sketch up a new appearance once I get my tablet pen back.

I shall fix her personality and history (it might not be right this moment, but it will happen within the next 48 hours). As for the mental abuse thing...>.< It actually can cause someone to be withdrawn and socially inept. I was that way to a degree. It won't really be quite relevant to her once I fix her, but it is something I do prefer to point out since I have seen it happen to more than just myself.

The height issue is also going to be fixed. I was taking into account my own experiences, and forgot that I'm not a very attentive person when I'm walking about to begin with. And I was constantly running into a few of my shorter friends. So sorry about that one.

Notebook = Gone now.

As said before, personality is going to get fixed and revamped. The shyness will be less of an influence there, and only mentioned as how she is to start with...no more than a couple of sentences.

It is literally talking with the wind. It was going to be part of how her class worked, but I've gone through the skills available and am going to be tweaking it since I can't find a skill that would quite coincide with that aspect, and I don't particularly want to bug you guys again regarding skills.

In regards to your final points, as said before, I will be changing her history. I was actually looking it over and going 'Okay...WTF did I do this for?'
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:27 pm


I believe the concern with the mental abuse was not that it doesn't cause people to become shy and withdrawn, but rather that what was presented was not very well-constructed and as a result we would feel more comfortable with you finding a different reason for her to be shy, as abuse is certainly not the only cause.

We aren't completely against characters who have suffered abuse, but we are very critical of it being included as it is difficult to handle well and as a result we will hold abused characters to particularly high standards of character depth and development.

I think a more agreeable path for us would be her parents using their 'crippled' daughter for political gain to show how charitable and wonderful they are. She can still be hurt and withdrawn as a result, but it seems strange to us that everyone would be super mean to her just because she has asthma.

Actually, regarding the treatment of a flightless Pennier, EK says:

"I'd say they'd probably be more condescending than outright discriminatory XD And they'd never say "a Pennier who can't fly is not a Pennier worth knowing." It's more like, uh, a man who can't get it up. 8D It's really embarrassing and you can definitely get picked on for it, but they're not more or less likely to get jobs, be beaten up after school, etc. It's a shame, but not something to be ostrasized for."

Actually, another issue I just spotted, which is addressed in the FAQ:

Tales of Aludra FAQ
What's the youngest or oldest that my character can be?
    A chronological 16/17 will be the youngest you'll find in the guild. Appropriate adjustments should be made for whatever's the age of physical maturity of the Duszek and Ejderha. And your character can be as old as realistically possible for their race, so long as they're still fit and capable.

I would go a step further and note that a chronological 16/17 year old would need to be pretty damn mature to be accepted into the League, which is comprised largely of 20 somethings and older. I think Leonore needs a few more years under her belt and some more confidence before the League would be ready to deal with her. The League isn't a charitable organization - they expect a lot out of their members and it's going to be very difficult for extremely shy people to find their way into their ranks.

I'm also not sure a 13 year old would be running a bookstore. Mental maturity is going to pretty much coincide with chronological age in all the races aside from the Duszek, so I think she would need to be much older to run her own business.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:08 pm


Ahhhhh, your character's really rather similar to mine in the aspect of how their magic works. >.<
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:20 pm


Hmmm. I am actually going to have to say that this talking to the wind stuff makes me hesitate for both characters. The reason being that this means the character could technically hear a private conversation between other characters because the wind 'told' them and that can quickly upset other players and becomes very difficult to moderate. Basically, the wind listening is too close to the issues with mind reading and we can't allow it in this form.

We wouldn't be opposed to the wind carrying scents to people to tell them where people had been or anything like that, but being able to potentially gain knowledge that was not expressly given to your character is problematic.

Sorry, guys. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:56 pm


I will address things later...I've already started on another path for this concept IRL, on paper. My youngest sister did something on my Mom's computer and this is the first time I've been able to get on since Saturday afternoon, and I'll have to go soon until later tonight.
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