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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:34 am
Ok, now in the greek culture they called a mistake a sin, compare Zeus to the god of the bible and start to think on this, ok?
Jesus, walked on water
Odysseus, most famous adventures includes being stuck on water in a boat eventually causing him to land on earth and walk around until he found someone.
Jesus, Came back from the dead
Odysseus, everyone thought he was dead.
Jesus, was said to have lived a perfect life
Odysseus, was said to have never wronged another man.
Jesus, has mythology around him about him loving Mary Magdalene more than anything else in the world.
Odysseus, was enslaved by the nymph goddess Calypso and after years still longed for his wife
Jesus, so called son of god
Odysseus, a marked favorite of Zeus
Jesus, one clever ********, one clever ********, got betrayed by Judas
Odyseus, got betrayed by the suitors wanting his wife.
now, imagine facts and mythology getting distorted over time and look at these similarities veryyyy carefully and you should see what I mean.
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:41 pm
now! that's why I think that jesus.. maybe never existed.. and it was all made up to keep the people "on a leash so to speak".. to have more control over them.. over their choices, money and actions.. the church also benefited a lot from that... they got money out of the people...
I think your theory is plausible enough
and i used to love mythology but i didn't study it enough.. or just forgot about it.. i should look over it again. rly interesting
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:46 pm
Those are interesting similarities. If you like Greek mythology I recomend the Chronicles of Chaos as a good SciFi/Fantasy read. And, concerning church and state, of COURSE there are aspects of religion that can be taken advantage of to control people or mislead them, we see it all the time; but, do you think that makes religion inherently flawed? Or do you think people are inherently flawed? Is the problem the religion or the people, why or why not? For this purpose we have to think of the religion and the church of the religion as one, and then as the curch and the people of the church as one as well, but not the religion and the people of it as one, otherwise you skip over the problem. What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:29 pm
Baby_Neko_Kyu now! that's why I think that jesus.. maybe never existed.. and it was all made up to keep the people "on a leash so to speak".. to have more control over them.. over their choices, money and actions.. the church also benefited a lot from that... they got money out of the people... I think your theory is plausible enough and i used to love mythology but i didn't study it enough.. or just forgot about it.. i should look over it again. rly interesting So all that stuff about Jesus hating taxes and seeing the rich as spiritually empty people was just one great ruse by the ruling classes, was it? I'm sorry, better people than you have come up with theories regarding religion's place in controlling society. And all of them sidestep the fact that religion creates social solidarity, which is not something negative for those not in power. As for the topic? They seem like, for the most part, completely far fetched comparisons. If you want to draw up any similarities between religions, look at the Old Testament and the Phoenecian + Caananite pantheon (especially the text in Isiah noting the fall of Lucifer). Judaism was influenced by those, as was Greek myth. So saying that Greek myth influences Judaism and Christianity (which was born in the Roman, not Greek era, making Greek culture pretty dead by the time Christ was born) is like saying Wicca influenced the religious beliefs of the Vikings. They're of two different times and areas.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:21 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd Baby_Neko_Kyu now! that's why I think that jesus.. maybe never existed.. and it was all made up to keep the people "on a leash so to speak".. to have more control over them.. over their choices, money and actions.. the church also benefited a lot from that... they got money out of the people... I think your theory is plausible enough and i used to love mythology but i didn't study it enough.. or just forgot about it.. i should look over it again. rly interesting So all that stuff about Jesus hating taxes and seeing the rich as spiritually empty people was just one great ruse by the ruling classes, was it? I'm sorry, better people than you have come up with theories regarding religion's place in controlling society. And all of them sidestep the fact that religion creates social solidarity, which is not something negative for those not in power. As for the topic? They seem like, for the most part, completely far fetched comparisons. If you want to draw up any similarities between religions, look at the Old Testament and the Phoenecian + Caananite pantheon (especially the text in Isiah noting the fall of Lucifer). Judaism was influenced by those, as was Greek myth. So saying that Greek myth influences Judaism and Christianity (which was born in the Roman, not Greek era, making Greek culture pretty dead by the time Christ was born) is like saying Wicca influenced the religious beliefs of the Vikings. They're of two different times and areas. i would have to agree with Blind Guardian the 2nd here.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:09 am
CabrionDeluviant Blind Guardian the 2nd Baby_Neko_Kyu now! that's why I think that jesus.. maybe never existed.. and it was all made up to keep the people "on a leash so to speak".. to have more control over them.. over their choices, money and actions.. the church also benefited a lot from that... they got money out of the people... I think your theory is plausible enough and i used to love mythology but i didn't study it enough.. or just forgot about it.. i should look over it again. rly interesting So all that stuff about Jesus hating taxes and seeing the rich as spiritually empty people was just one great ruse by the ruling classes, was it? I'm sorry, better people than you have come up with theories regarding religion's place in controlling society. And all of them sidestep the fact that religion creates social solidarity, which is not something negative for those not in power. As for the topic? They seem like, for the most part, completely far fetched comparisons. If you want to draw up any similarities between religions, look at the Old Testament and the Phoenecian + Caananite pantheon (especially the text in Isiah noting the fall of Lucifer). Judaism was influenced by those, as was Greek myth. So saying that Greek myth influences Judaism and Christianity (which was born in the Roman, not Greek era, making Greek culture pretty dead by the time Christ was born) is like saying Wicca influenced the religious beliefs of the Vikings. They're of two different times and areas. i would have to agree with Blind Guardian the 2nd here. I just find it funny how everyone trusts history so blindly when history was recorded by man therefore open to tons of errors making so there is no way for sure we can be positive if the history we know is even true or not. yet we sit and put such faith in something so open to error and limit ourselves to that line of thinking, that is a weakness, not a strength, anything that limits your perception of the big picture is a weakness, however we must also be able to control the level of perception we recieve as well
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:16 am
Mendele xd I just find it funny how everyone trusts history so blindly when history was recorded by man therefore open to tons of errors making so there is no way for sure we can be positive if the history we know is even true or not. yet we sit and put such faith in something so open to error and limit ourselves to that line of thinking, that is a weakness, not a strength, anything that limits your perception of the big picture is a weakness, however we must also be able to control the level of perception we recieve as well I think it's funny how you think you can save your weak argument by saying that history, by principle, is wrong because it is a human endeavour. YOU ARE NOT ABOVE HUMANS. neutral Also, if you want to talk about items limiting your "big picture" then you might want to take a glance at your ego.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:17 am
wow... that's a bit harsh, eh
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:40 am
Well I'm sorry but I am fed up of people thinking their personal, undocumented by any neutral party knowledge trumps collective knowledge constantly proven by other academics over and over again.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:36 am
aha
*has a vision of Blind Guardian slaying the magickal community*
...aha
(jk)
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:49 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd Baby_Neko_Kyu now! that's why I think that jesus.. maybe never existed.. and it was all made up to keep the people "on a leash so to speak".. to have more control over them.. over their choices, money and actions.. the church also benefited a lot from that... they got money out of the people... I think your theory is plausible enough and i used to love mythology but i didn't study it enough.. or just forgot about it.. i should look over it again. rly interesting So all that stuff about Jesus hating taxes and seeing the rich as spiritually empty people was just one great ruse by the ruling classes, was it? I'm sorry, better people than you have come up with theories regarding religion's place in controlling society. And all of them sidestep the fact that religion creates social solidarity, which is not something negative for those not in power. As for the topic? They seem like, for the most part, completely far fetched comparisons. If you want to draw up any similarities between religions, look at the Old Testament and the Phoenecian + Caananite pantheon (especially the text in Isiah noting the fall of Lucifer). Judaism was influenced by those, as was Greek myth. So saying that Greek myth influences Judaism and Christianity (which was born in the Roman, not Greek era, making Greek culture pretty dead by the time Christ was born) is like saying Wicca influenced the religious beliefs of the Vikings. They're of two different times and areas. *revives old thread* well actually there are more ties to 'pagan' religions in general to Christianity that have not been mentioned. The big ones being holidays. Christmas for example, Is not Christian at all. Christians look down on magic and so does their bible, and yet Santa Clause uses it to deliver presents. The Christmas tree has nothing to do with Jesus either. On the day of his birth there was no tree. Just gifts and the like. And this can be said about any holiday from Christianity. Not to mention Jesus said to celebrate is death not his birth. Not even easter is their own. Which i find quite funny. They are parading around saying their religion is the one only true way when its so obviously just another version of all the other religions around. Christianity is just the one of the youngest religions out there to spew the same thing, only their religion seeks control over everything. America is free, as long as your christian.
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