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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:56 pm
Very good article on cynicism towards scientific claims and its origin. "The community of scientists has a legitimate claim to trustworthiness that other social institutions, such as religions and political movements, lack. The structure of scientific inquiry involves procedures, such as experiments and open debate, that are strikingly successful at revealing truths about the world. All other things being equal, a rational person is wise to defer to a geologist about the age of the earth rather than to a priest or to a politician." Here.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:46 am
Yeah... it seems that today, if you can get the right people to believe that there's a magical man in the sky that has a button to replace every scientific theory known to man, and convince them that their lives are meaningless without this mystical being, then you can get them to deny (and propagate) just about anything.
It's sad, really, that we live in a culture that's willing and eager to sacrifice hard truth and stark reality (most of which took years to discover) in exchange for comforting ignorance and the illusion of safety.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:09 pm
Raise a dog, teaching him a trick. Then, when the dog is middle aged, scorn him every time he performs the trick and deny him the reward he is used to.
You are going to end up with a very resentful and confused dog.
If my terrible metaphor didn't explain it, people are raised to believe what they are told without seeing any proof at all. It is how any of use thought the easter bunny or Santa was real. Unlike good 'ole Saint Nick and EB, what they learn has to do with the physical reality they live in as well as the fate of their mind once their body inevitably fails them. s**t like that is WAY more important that a fat guy who gives you free stuff.
So they cling to it. Anything that comes remotely close to compromising their full, learned view that has bearing on something that important is seen as a threat. It is regarded with the same importance as their own lives, making survival instinct a root cause of their denials of science.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:11 pm
Welcome to GSG, Tarquin Aluclaire. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:27 pm
Super Ivan Drago Welcome to GSG, Tarquin Aluclaire. biggrin Glad to be here and part of a group that is A: Interesting B: Full of people I am not exploiting for links to Sailor Moon episodes
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:27 pm
...due to aids (enjoy them).
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:41 pm
I'm going to chime in with it's sad. I think the people who prmote our culture are to blame. Not just the Fawells and Robertsons, but the people who put on 100 things like "Most Haunted" and "Ghost Hunteres" to every one "Mythbuster". It's no surprise they defer to psuedoscience if that's mostly what they are exposed to.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:33 pm
Ilikepie4 I'm going to chime in with it's sad. I think the people who prmote our culture are to blame. Not just the Fawells and Robertsons, but the people who put on 100 things like "Most Haunted" and "Ghost Hunteres" to every one "Mythbuster". It's no surprise they defer to psuedoscience if that's mostly what they are exposed to. The most disturbing thing I have ever encountered in a conversion with my mom is when she said - "O.K., let's be quiet now. Ghost Hunters is on." OMG! RECORDINGS OF FOOTSTEPS!
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:14 am
Super Ivan Drago Ilikepie4 I'm going to chime in with it's sad. I think the people who prmote our culture are to blame. Not just the Fawells and Robertsons, but the people who put on 100 things like "Most Haunted" and "Ghost Hunteres" to every one "Mythbuster". It's no surprise they defer to psuedoscience if that's mostly what they are exposed to. The most disturbing thing I have ever encountered in a conversion with my mom is when she said - "O.K., let's be quiet now. Ghost Hunters is on." OMG! RECORDINGS OF FOOTSTEPS! Or when they see something but it just so happens that the camera was just a liiiiiittle slow?
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:26 am
Ilikepie4 Super Ivan Drago Ilikepie4 I'm going to chime in with it's sad. I think the people who prmote our culture are to blame. Not just the Fawells and Robertsons, but the people who put on 100 things like "Most Haunted" and "Ghost Hunteres" to every one "Mythbuster". It's no surprise they defer to psuedoscience if that's mostly what they are exposed to. The most disturbing thing I have ever encountered in a conversion with my mom is when she said - "O.K., let's be quiet now. Ghost Hunters is on." OMG! RECORDINGS OF FOOTSTEPS! Or when they see something but it just so happens that the camera was just a liiiiiittle slow? What about their constant claims of being "total skeptics?" That always cracks me the F' up.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:46 pm
The best is how every episode contains the inevitable "Can you please make your presence known?"
Seriously. If I died and haunted a place, and someone walked into my haunt with a camera and asked the air a question so stupid, I'd possess him and force him to eat his camera.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:30 am
Lykus The best is how every episode contains the inevitable "Can you please make your presence known?" Seriously. If I died and haunted a place, and someone walked into my haunt with a camera and asked the air a question so stupid, I'd possess him and force him to eat his camera. For masses of energy that can actually manifest themselves, they sure are picky about who they show themselves to. Which brings me to a point - Why do believers in ghosts think that scientists go out of their way to dismiss the existence of ghosts for no reason? Do they not realize that if there was proof that energy could 'think' and could be moved in a controlled mass without a conductor that it would be a HUGE scientific break through? A break through so huge, that it would define the 21st century? Just sit and think of the possibilities. I would actually get pretty excited about the prospect if there was even the slightest bit of evidence that it was true.
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