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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:50 am
Yesterday as I left school early to pick up a cake for an FFA meeting, I found myself once again tuned into some stupid talk show called Maury (yes the one were mother go on and have a billion paternity test to see who there baby’s daddy is) and was utterly appalled at the guest he had on his show. The title of the show for that day was called humongous kids and they were featuring kids who were like a 120 pounds and upward who were only like there years old and younger! This is crazy and in there defense there the mothers said that the just feed them what ever they want to get them to stop crying and the refuse to deny the babies nutrition. Is nutrition three cheeseburgers and a plate of fries and 8 in the morning? I think not. Not only is these parents behavior appalling its also dangerous these babies are developing all kinds of problems from these unhealthy choices and these children are to young to decide for themselves. So I ask you is this a form of child abuse? Are these mothers hurting there children enough for some one to call child protective services? Is what these mothers are doing wrong? And more importantly what can we do individually and as a nation to help with this growing problem?
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:31 pm
I think the media plays on it a bit - I don't think it's really the parents' fault alone. I think with the amount of advertising that goes into rubbishy food, and how lifestyles have changed, so that families don't cook as much as they used to....maybe such problems factor in a bit more. And children -are- difficult. And we too bribe my brother and sister with sweets. Quite badly. So I can understand the idea of the parents feeling like they must do it.
The stress mindset everyone seems to be in now is also pretty stupid - I can call in countless times I've been physically sick with stress, to the point now where I have a condition which forces me to not be angry. Because I'll spend the afternoon in bed. Honesty. rolleyes
So, after that babble, I'd say it was a negetive effect of how life has changed. A little warning for us all to wake up, stop stressing and look after ourselves. But parents should still seek help before their child's weight gets -that- bad.
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Violet_Abyss Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:51 pm
Nemithena
The stress mindset everyone seems to be in now is also pretty stupid - I can call in countless times I've been physically sick with stress, to the point now where I have a condition which forces me to not be angry. Because I'll spend the afternoon in bed. Honesty. rolleyes This is an entirely different topic, but it's one I'm sensitive on. You have to be careful what you classify as stress, and as someone with serious health issues that aren't really readily known or accepted about I get told something like that all the time. And it sucks. Why? Because I did that. I ignored my "stress" and my sickness and all of whatever and I tried to just live my life. Instead of getting better and realizing that there was really nothing wrong with me, and that I was just being overly dramatic, I went from a straight A student to a D student, I had a chronic sinus/respiratory infection for a period of four months (that was just the worst of it) and days when I honestly couldn't move. I would walk to the living room and be so tired I had to nap. But I had had blood tests, and I wasn't anemic, and I had days when I was feeling alright, so everyone (except my family, thank Heaven, because they lived with me and saw it) assumed I was just faking it. And then my doctor gave me a diagnosis that basically said "the only thing we can do for you is to tell you to rest, because we aren't sure what causes it" and everyone took that to mean that I was lying. Either that or they tried to slap all these other diagnosis onto me. "Weeeell my brother in law's cousin's daughter's husband had this and it has one similar symptom to you so it must be the same thing." It even got to the point where one of my teachers was spreading rumors behind my back and saying that she was sure I wasn't sick. *cough* That was totally unrelated to anything, but my point is, there's stress, and then there's the things about people you don't see. Not only that, but being told that you're really not sick when you don't actually know anything can add stress that makes a bad situation a hell of a lot worse. Yeah people jump the gun in this society, but you can't just make blanket statements like that, because you don't really know what's going on, most of the time. I mean, people didn't believe that Dissociate Identity Disorder existed for years and years, but that doesn't mean it's just bogus. And being "gay" was listed as a mental health problem for a while too. I guess I just think that "stress" is a cover term for a lot of potentially more serious things, and that saying "oh all this fuss that's made about stress" can hurt and float over a lot of honestly sick people who don't have another word.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:56 pm
its a sad fact that we cant sit down and enjoy a healthy meal with our family's any more and even when we do its something fast cheap and easy but this is drawing away from the root problem these parents are compromising there children's health and at what risk they wont cry for an hour or two... that a great help yes yes indeed that a wonderful solution feed your child until they are 140 pounds and have clogged arteries yeah great solution sad
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:33 am
When I think, what healthy things my mother stuffed down my throat...
Well, you have to divide between the urge to feed you child and the urge to feed you child, so it's quiet... The last part is definitive some kind of abuse. You should not have babies if you cannot stand their noises or handle them at least a wee bit properly. I don't think, I will be a perfect mother, but some mistakes I wouldn't do. I would drive my kid(s) insane with vitamins like my mother and with being overprotective, but stuffing it till it shuts up? Oh my... cry
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:42 pm
Violet_Abyss This is an entirely different topic, but it's one I'm sensitive on. You have to be careful what you classify as stress, and as someone with serious health issues that aren't really readily known or accepted about I get told something like that all the time. And it sucks. Why? Because I did that. I ignored my "stress" and my sickness and all of whatever and I tried to just live my life. Instead of getting better and realizing that there was really nothing wrong with me, and that I was just being overly dramatic, I went from a straight A student to a D student, I had a chronic sinus/respiratory infection for a period of four months (that was just the worst of it) and days when I honestly couldn't move. I would walk to the living room and be so tired I had to nap. But I had had blood tests, and I wasn't anemic, and I had days when I was feeling alright, so everyone (except my family, thank Heaven, because they lived with me and saw it) assumed I was just faking it. And then my doctor gave me a diagnosis that basically said "the only thing we can do for you is to tell you to rest, because we aren't sure what causes it" and everyone took that to mean that I was lying. Either that or they tried to slap all these other diagnosis onto me. "Weeeell my brother in law's cousin's daughter's husband had this and it has one similar symptom to you so it must be the same thing." It even got to the point where one of my teachers was spreading rumors behind my back and saying that she was sure I wasn't sick. *cough* That was totally unrelated to anything, but my point is, there's stress, and then there's the things about people you don't see. Not only that, but being told that you're really not sick when you don't actually know anything can add stress that makes a bad situation a hell of a lot worse. Yeah people jump the gun in this society, but you can't just make blanket statements like that, because you don't really know what's going on, most of the time. I mean, people didn't believe that Dissociate Identity Disorder existed for years and years, but that doesn't mean it's just bogus. And being "gay" was listed as a mental health problem for a while too. I guess I just think that "stress" is a cover term for a lot of potentially more serious things, and that saying "oh all this fuss that's made about stress" can hurt and float over a lot of honestly sick people who don't have another word. I'm sorry - I meant it as physical overwork. I do admire you completely, though. If it's any help, I have an invisible disease, too, and I emphathsise with being told that I'm not sick and that I should just drop school if I don't like it and go travelling (my father doesn't believe I'm ill - despite the walking stick, the codeine and the tears). Which is stupid, because I've had ME (CFIDS) and generalised myalgia (only recently diagnosed) for two years, and I know that can't be seen. But at the same time, I do think that extra stress (distress, rather than eustress) has serious health implications, and does a lot of unseen damage to the human body (in my point before, I can see directly that being upset in my mind directly leads me to not be able to get out of bed the next day). Moreover, I see a lot of families who all end up too tired to cook, and can barely manage to dig something out of a freezer.
I'm sorry I wasn't specific in my answer; I understand what it's like to "not look sick" despite not having the energy to bathe for a week straight.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:12 pm
Nemithena Violet_Abyss This is an entirely different topic, but it's one I'm sensitive on. You have to be careful what you classify as stress, and as someone with serious health issues that aren't really readily known or accepted about I get told something like that all the time. And it sucks. Why? Because I did that. I ignored my "stress" and my sickness and all of whatever and I tried to just live my life. Instead of getting better and realizing that there was really nothing wrong with me, and that I was just being overly dramatic, I went from a straight A student to a D student, I had a chronic sinus/respiratory infection for a period of four months (that was just the worst of it) and days when I honestly couldn't move. I would walk to the living room and be so tired I had to nap. But I had had blood tests, and I wasn't anemic, and I had days when I was feeling alright, so everyone (except my family, thank Heaven, because they lived with me and saw it) assumed I was just faking it. And then my doctor gave me a diagnosis that basically said "the only thing we can do for you is to tell you to rest, because we aren't sure what causes it" and everyone took that to mean that I was lying. Either that or they tried to slap all these other diagnosis onto me. "Weeeell my brother in law's cousin's daughter's husband had this and it has one similar symptom to you so it must be the same thing." It even got to the point where one of my teachers was spreading rumors behind my back and saying that she was sure I wasn't sick. *cough* That was totally unrelated to anything, but my point is, there's stress, and then there's the things about people you don't see. Not only that, but being told that you're really not sick when you don't actually know anything can add stress that makes a bad situation a hell of a lot worse. Yeah people jump the gun in this society, but you can't just make blanket statements like that, because you don't really know what's going on, most of the time. I mean, people didn't believe that Dissociate Identity Disorder existed for years and years, but that doesn't mean it's just bogus. And being "gay" was listed as a mental health problem for a while too. I guess I just think that "stress" is a cover term for a lot of potentially more serious things, and that saying "oh all this fuss that's made about stress" can hurt and float over a lot of honestly sick people who don't have another word. I'm sorry - I meant it as physical overwork. I do admire you completely, though. If it's any help, I have an invisible disease, too, and I emphathsise with being told that I'm not sick and that I should just drop school if I don't like it and go travelling (my father doesn't believe I'm ill - despite the walking stick, the codeine and the tears). Which is stupid, because I've had ME (CFIDS) and generalised myalgia (only recently diagnosed) for two years, and I know that can't be seen. But at the same time, I do think that extra stress (distress, rather than eustress) has serious health implications, and does a lot of unseen damage to the human body (in my point before, I can see directly that being upset in my mind directly leads me to not be able to get out of bed the next day). Moreover, I see a lot of families who all end up too tired to cook, and can barely manage to dig something out of a freezer.
I'm sorry I wasn't specific in my answer; I understand what it's like to "not look sick" despite not having the energy to bathe for a week straight.Uggh codeine = lose... I don't take it regularly, but my doctor makes sure I keep some on hand. My dad doesn't really buy it either, but then, my dad fails so hard, and he's not really around. *hugs* And stress, yeah it does have repercussions, although I know that with me there's a point where yes being stressed makes me sick, but getting sick also stresses me out, and so it's sort of hard to distinguish which is when, if that makes sense. With me, it's like, I get nailed really really hard after I do stuff, but I do have good days, which are the only times when some people see me, so they assume that I'm just fine. 'Tis lame.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:03 pm
Yes, over feeding a child can be considered child abuse, at least if legal/medical shows are to be believed. As for blaming the media and sympathizing with the parents for the difficulty of children? No. The media hype may encourage a child to eat, but it is up to the parent to regulate what and how much the child eats. The child wants more? Too bad. The child throws a fit? Discipline! Time-out, smack the wrist, take away a toy. Don't give in! A parent is supposed to, well, parent. A child is not supposed to be in charge.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:23 am
Violet_Abyss This is an entirely different topic, but it's one I'm sensitive on. You have to be careful what you classify as stress, and as someone with serious health issues that aren't really readily known or accepted about I get told something like that all the time. And it sucks. Why? Because I did that. I ignored my "stress" and my sickness and all of whatever and I tried to just live my life. Instead of getting better and realizing that there was really nothing wrong with me, and that I was just being overly dramatic, I went from a straight A student to a D student, I had a chronic sinus/respiratory infection for a period of four months (that was just the worst of it) and days when I honestly couldn't move. I would walk to the living room and be so tired I had to nap. But I had had blood tests, and I wasn't anemic, and I had days when I was feeling alright, so everyone (except my family, thank Heaven, because they lived with me and saw it) assumed I was just faking it. And then my doctor gave me a diagnosis that basically said "the only thing we can do for you is to tell you to rest, because we aren't sure what causes it" and everyone took that to mean that I was lying. Either that or they tried to slap all these other diagnosis onto me. "Weeeell my brother in law's cousin's daughter's husband had this and it has one similar symptom to you so it must be the same thing." It even got to the point where one of my teachers was spreading rumors behind my back and saying that she was sure I wasn't sick. That's the point where I would've brought you to a very good neurologist or therapist to check if your symptoms are caused by a depression. At least your symptoms are so similar to mine that the assumption is quite close... Now back to topic. I do agree that this stuffing of children is a kind of child abuse. But it's also a social problem. I'm pretty sure that those overfed children come from families with a difficult social background caused by poverty. Those families don't necessary live below the poverty level, but at least much closer to it than the average middle-class citizen. That means often undereducation and a bad access to health treatment or even healthy foods, because it's just to expensive. That's no excuse for this kind of abuse, but an explanation how it developes. Make those parents learn how to treat a child well and if they don't want to learn make them suffer the consequences. Make the people learn that a child is not a toy, but a being that brings responsibility. I know this sounds radical, but here in Germany we're facing some similar problems. Not overfeeding, but cases of child abuse as well: Some teenage mothers that finished school after 10th grade and either don't want to work or just want the child benefits they get from the government. Of course, you cannot (and mustn't) forbid those people to become pregnant. But it's important to make those wannabe-mothers realize that the child isn't there for them, but they're there for the child!
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:53 pm
Kittie2038 Violet_Abyss This is an entirely different topic, but it's one I'm sensitive on. You have to be careful what you classify as stress, and as someone with serious health issues that aren't really readily known or accepted about I get told something like that all the time. And it sucks. Why? Because I did that. I ignored my "stress" and my sickness and all of whatever and I tried to just live my life. Instead of getting better and realizing that there was really nothing wrong with me, and that I was just being overly dramatic, I went from a straight A student to a D student, I had a chronic sinus/respiratory infection for a period of four months (that was just the worst of it) and days when I honestly couldn't move. I would walk to the living room and be so tired I had to nap. But I had had blood tests, and I wasn't anemic, and I had days when I was feeling alright, so everyone (except my family, thank Heaven, because they lived with me and saw it) assumed I was just faking it. And then my doctor gave me a diagnosis that basically said "the only thing we can do for you is to tell you to rest, because we aren't sure what causes it" and everyone took that to mean that I was lying. Either that or they tried to slap all these other diagnosis onto me. "Weeeell my brother in law's cousin's daughter's husband had this and it has one similar symptom to you so it must be the same thing." It even got to the point where one of my teachers was spreading rumors behind my back and saying that she was sure I wasn't sick. That's the point where I would've brought you to a very good neurologist or therapist to check if your symptoms are caused by a depression. At least your symptoms are so similar to mine that the assumption is quite close... Now back to topic. I do agree that this stuffing of children is a kind of child abuse. But it's also a social problem. I'm pretty sure that those overfed children come from families with a difficult social background caused by poverty. Those families don't necessary live below the poverty level, but at least much closer to it than the average middle-class citizen. That means often undereducation and a bad access to health treatment or even healthy foods, because it's just to expensive. That's no excuse for this kind of abuse, but an explanation how it developes. Make those parents learn how to treat a child well and if they don't want to learn make them suffer the consequences. Make the people learn that a child is not a toy, but a being that brings responsibility. I know this sounds radical, but here in Germany we're facing some similar problems. Not overfeeding, but cases of child abuse as well: Some teenage mothers that finished school after 10th grade and either don't want to work or just want the child benefits they get from the government. Of course, you cannot (and mustn't) forbid those people to become pregnant. But it's important to make those wannabe-mothers realize that the child isn't there for them, but they're there for the child! this is so frustrating that the simple act of feeding a child has be come so contraversal also can the goverment intervine on this like take the kids away?
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