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Tiager

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:57 pm


So you and your girl/boyfriend are getting along great. You both are deeply in love with each other. But then you realize that you have feelings for someone else. But your still very much in love. You tell your partner and 'lo and behold, they don't care. In fact, they think you should pursue it. But they still want to be together.
As time goes on and both of your partners meet and grow to like each other they develop their own romantic relationship. So what you have now is a polyamorous (not to be confused with polygamist) relationship.

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-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person providing they both(or all) know? What if one(or more) is the same gender?
¬Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.
-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?
- If so, how would society view such a relationship?
¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)
¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?
¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?
¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?
-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:11 pm


-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person providing they both(or all) know?

Of course, if all parties are consenting, there is no ethical wrong-doing. Morally, I have not done research on this subject in the bible, but I would say that all morals are subjective, and if one felt that they could do this, to have a fun time doing it.

What if one(or more) is the same gender?

...In a polyamorous relationship, at least two people would HAVE to be the same biological gender, and there isn't anything wrong with that.


-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?

No idea, but if you can find someone willing to perform a ceremony for you, go ahead and get married. Not anyone's place to stop you.


- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

Most likely society would be disgusted, except for the few people who truly don't care what floats someone else's boat. Is it really that hard to figure this out?

¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)

While not legally, practically, of course. Provided it doesn't break any laws.


¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

I would never legally marry only one partner; as for religious marriage, I would find someone willing to perform a ceremony for all 3+ of us.


¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?

Why would we limit it to two? Couples want privacy only in order to be romantic. If three or more people are in a romantic relationship, there is no reason why all three couldn't be romantic together.


¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

Why would we be left out of family functions, exactly? Other than familial condemnation, there is no reason why all three people couldn't spend the holidays at one person's home. You're looking at a polyamorous relationship as if it could only have two people involved at any one point in time, which is obviously not true.


-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?

They'd be raised with three parents, but told at an old-enough-to-understand age which parents are the biological mother and father, or parent/surrogate.

Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori


Tiager

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:37 pm


What if one(or more) is the same gender?

...In a polyamorous relationship, at least two people would HAVE to be the same biological gender, and there isn't anything wrong with that.

I suppose that was a poorly worded question.


- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

Most likely society would be disgusted, except for the few people who truly don't care what floats someone else's boat. Is it really that hard to figure this out?

I'm just asking to see what individuals think. I'm not asking for personal reference.

¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)

While not legally, practically, of course. Provided it doesn't break any laws.

Specifically, I was looking for anyone with legal knowledge who would know. Again, poor phrasing on my part.

¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

I would never legally marry only one partner; as for religious marriage, I would find someone willing to perform a ceremony for all 3+ of us.

I now pronounce you Man and Wife...and...extra...?

¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?

Why would we limit it to two? Couples want privacy only in order to be romantic. If three or more people are in a romantic relationship, there is no reason why all three couldn't be romantic together.

I suppose that's true, but I'm thinking more about society's norms. My line of thinking went if you get married to only one and your consistently seen with the other that will make people suspicious and such, but if you don't care what other people think, than I suppose that really isn't a problem.

¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

Why would we be left out of family functions, exactly? Other than familial condemnation, there is no reason why all three people couldn't spend the holidays at one person's home. You're looking at a polyamorous relationship as if it could only have two people involved at any one point in time, which is obviously not true.

Again, I'm think more of society's norms as far as one on one. My family would frown greatly upon such a 'union' and I don't know that I would be invited to family events anymore.

-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?

They'd be raised with three parents, but told at an old-enough-to-understand age which parents are the biological mother and father, or parent/surrogate.

You don't think it would be hard on them?
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:32 pm


Tiager
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¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)

While not legally, practically, of course. Provided it doesn't break any laws.

Specifically, I was looking for anyone with legal knowledge who would know. Again, poor phrasing on my part.


It is possible, but not currently (at least in America.) One could conceivably wed one and wed the other only in ceremony. To attempt and wed more than one person is a crime (bigamy) as marriage is a contract and that would be breaching it.

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¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

I would never legally marry only one partner; as for religious marriage, I would find someone willing to perform a ceremony for all 3+ of us.

I now pronounce you Man and Wife...and...extra...?


Man and wives or men and wives or "I now pronounce you joined"
or any other numerous ways one may reword it. Why must one be stuck with the traditional, and inconvenient, wording?

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¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?

Why would we limit it to two? Couples want privacy only in order to be romantic. If three or more people are in a romantic relationship, there is no reason why all three couldn't be romantic together.

I suppose that's true, but I'm thinking more about society's norms. My line of thinking went if you get married to only one and your consistently seen with the other that will make people suspicious and such, but if you don't care what other people think, than I suppose that really isn't a problem.


One could also make plain they are in a polyamorous relationship. xshrugsx Society's problem.

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¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

Why would we be left out of family functions, exactly? Other than familial condemnation, there is no reason why all three people couldn't spend the holidays at one person's home. You're looking at a polyamorous relationship as if it could only have two people involved at any one point in time, which is obviously not true.

Again, I'm think more of society's norms as far as one on one. My family would frown greatly upon such a 'union' and I don't know that I would be invited to family events anymore.


Sop you are asking whether one would choose to tell their family and deal with the repercussions of such an action or to keep the relationship secret? I personally would deal, but this seems to be a case-by-case basis.

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-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?

They'd be raised with three parents, but told at an old-enough-to-understand age which parents are the biological mother and father, or parent/surrogate.


You don't think it would be hard on them?


It might depending on their location and how well known the parent's relationship is. Tough on that aspect. As for the quality of parenting? I don't see this as a problem.

Aino Ailill


Tiager

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:17 pm


-Edited main post because I forgot something.
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:32 pm


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Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.


Depends on the persons involved. I know (well, as much as one can via internet) some who could not mentally comprehend or justify limiting themselves or their partner to a monogamous relationship. For them, I would think that a polyamorous would be easier on them. Others, the exact opposite.

Myself, I believe I could go either way with little difficulty. I am...extremely non-jealous. I tend to go with the flow. It seems to possibly be a more ideal situation as I'd have two (or more) people to give me attention when I begin fading into the woodwork, as I am prone to do. My fading raises a possible problem with this scenario, as if they don't give me this attention, it is possible the relationship would evolve to be just the two of them.

Aino Ailill


SinfulGuillotine
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:46 pm


Good topic.

Tiager
-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person providing they both(or all) know? What if one(or more) is the same gender?
Provided that all involved are informed and consenting, I don't see a problem, regardless of the genders of the people involved.

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¬Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.
For me personally? I couldn't do it. Although I'm not a very jealous person when it comes to sex (I was in a very successful open relationship for several years), I do get jealous when it comes to emotions. I'm not terribly bothered by the idea of my partner having sex with other people, but the idea of him actually loving someone else would not fly too well by me. Also, I just can't really devote myself to more than one person emotionally. Well, more than one person at a time, I guess.

So for me, a polyamorous relationship would be near-impossible. For someone who was wired differently, however, I'd imagine that it would be of similar difficulty, if not easier than a relationship between two people. All relationships come with challenges, and poly relationships just come with a slightly different set of challenges. I'd imagine that some people are able to make it work quite well, though.

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-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?
Hrm, I'm not entirely sure about that. I'm inclined to say that without a religious ceremony, sex wouldn't be okay, if we're going by the Christian God. God's view on poly relationships in general, however, I have really no idea about.

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- If so, how would society view such a relationship?
Well, I'm fairly certain that society as a whole doesn't look on poly relationships all that kindly.

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¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)
As in, is it possible now, or will it be possible in the future? And are you talking legal union, or religious union?

As far as I know, most of the Western world only allows legal unions between two people. I'd like to think that legal unions for people in polyamorous relationships would be possible some times in the future, however. I see no reason why not.

As for religious unions, it depends on your faith. I know that some less mainstream religions condone polyamory, and this a religious joining of the people would not be a problem. As for Christianity....well, it's such a diverse faith that I'm sure it would be possible to find someone who would give a religious union to people in a poly relationship.

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¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?
If I were in a poly relationship and did not have the option of marrying both (or more) people, I probably wouldn't marry anyone. It would seem too much like playing favourites, and I can see that being problematic in a relationship of that nature.

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¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?
I don't see why only two at a time could go out for "date" time. Seems like there's plebty of things that groups larger than two can do together.
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¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?
Well, personally, I hardly ever attend family functions anyway. I would probably talk to my family about it beforehand. If they were accepting, I'd bring everyone. If not, I'd probably go alone. Again, playing favourites doesn't seem like a good plan.

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-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?
I guess they'd just have extra parents to love, annoy, and pester them. I'm honestly not sure if there's any negative psychological issues that could come up with children being raised in that situation, but it seems like having that many more people to love and care for you couldn't be that damaging.
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 am


-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person
providing they both(or all) know? What if one(or more) is the same gender?


Yes, I don't see why not. As long as everyone is being honest, and nobody is getting hurt physically or otherwise by the relationship. (One person would have to be the same gender, wouldn't they?)


¬Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.


It depends on the respective personalities of the three involved I guess. In my case, I think it would depend on the other two people, and how their personalities reflected off of my own, but it's possible. As someone else sad, a poly relationship faces different problems, but not necessarily worse problems.

-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?

Uhh... I think not, really. I think that while it's not legal, some sort of spiritual ceremony is important. But that's just a personal opinion.

- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

I think society would immediately draw the conclusion that one partner "owned" the other partners, such has been in the past. They would jump to the conclusion that it wasn't an equal partnership, and thus frown upon it.

¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)


Eventually... Maybe...

¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

No, that wouldn't be cool, I wouldn't think. Because you have to have the idea that all are equal, and therefore you couldn't do that.

¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?


No, of course not. There's plenty of things that three or more people could do on a "date" and have fun.
¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

I'm not sure how my parents would react, but I would want to be there (all of us) and show them it's a good relationship. Plus, I like my family. I would miss them, and I don't think I could choose between a new family and my biological family. And I would want my new family to meet my biological family!

-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?

Were produced? Hmm... I don't know, the kid would have three or more parents? *shrug*

Violet_Abyss
Vice Captain


Tiager

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:47 pm


-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?

Uhh... I think not, really. I think that while it's not legal, some sort of spiritual ceremony is important. But that's just a personal opinion.

So if there was some sort of spiritual ceremony, as Enj suggested, find someone willing to performing such a ceremony, do you think it would be acceptable in God's eyes?

- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

I think society would immediately draw the conclusion that one partner "owned" the other partners, such has been in the past. They would jump to the conclusion that it wasn't an equal partnership, and thus frown upon it.

I would have to agree with that. Owned. Hahahahaha. I will elaborate more on this later. I am bored at the moment and going to play my new ps2 game.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:32 pm


-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person providing they both(or all) know?

If they do not both know, then it's cheating. Other than that, I don't see anything ethically, or Biblically, wrong with it.

What if one(or more) is the same gender?

At least two of them would have to be. smile If you're meaning, is there anything wrong with same-sex relationships within the marriage, I would only accept a sister wife IF she were also romantically and physically involved with me as well.

¬Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.

If you have only two people in a relationship, you only have one "relationship". But if you have three ... John, Jane and Jenny - You now have John and Jane, John and Jenny, Jane and Jenny, AND the relationship involving all three of them. So three people means four relationships to juggled. If your communication skills aren't good, I think there's definitely a lot more potential for difficulties. Think of the number of people who can't seem to handle the loving give and take of a monogamous relationship.

-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?

There isn't much of an option in our society. It's not legal to have multiple marriages.

- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

Most people look down upon poly relationships.

¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)

Not sure what that means.

¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

Probably my first partner.

¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?

Personally, I think that if you're forming a poly family, you should date as a family.

¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

I would hope no one would ignore a partner that way, whether dating, common-law or married.


-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?


In what way?

fioce


Tiager

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:08 am


-Is it ethically ok to have a serious relationship with more than one person providing they both(or all) know?

If they do not both know, then it's cheating. Other than that, I don't see anything ethically, or Biblically, wrong with it.

What if one(or more) is the same gender?

At least two of them would have to be. smile If you're meaning, is there anything wrong with same-sex relationships within the marriage, I would only accept a sister wife IF she were also romantically and physically involved with me as well.

Obviously I didn't think of that

¬Would it be harder or easier to keep two serious relationships going at the same time? Would a marriage with three people be easier or harder might be better wording.

If you have only two people in a relationship, you only have one "relationship". But if you have three ... John, Jane and Jenny - You now have John and Jane, John and Jenny, Jane and Jenny, AND the relationship involving all three of them. So three people means four relationships to juggled. If your communication skills aren't good, I think there's definitely a lot more potential for difficulties. Think of the number of people who can't seem to handle the loving give and take of a monogamous relationship.

I was thinking more like, would sides been taken? Would someone get ganged up on?

-If you are in such a relationship, is it ok in God's eyes if you all move in together and start having sex (essentially becoming married without the ceremony)?

There isn't much of an option in our society. It's not legal to have multiple marriages.

That was not supposed to be taken into account 3nodding

- If so, how would society view such a relationship?

Most people look down upon poly relationships.

¬Is any type of union possible? (lets not get into gay marriage)

Not sure what that means.

In this society would any type of union be possible?

¬Would you marry one of them? How would you decide which one?

Probably my first partner.

¬Would only two go out on a 'date' at a time?

Personally, I think that if you're forming a poly family, you should date as a family.

¬What about family functions? Would one be left out of such family events as Christmas and thanksgiving? Or would you no long attend them?

I would hope no one would ignore a partner that way, whether dating, common-law or married.


-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?


In what way?

I assume you know how reproduction works, I'm hoping I don't have to explain this
PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:18 pm


Tiager

I was thinking more like, would sides been taken? Would someone get ganged up on?


Your marriage wouldn't last very long if any of the partners were to permit something like that. If you're the type who would do it, it's best not to get involved in a poly relationship.

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-What would happen if any children were produced from this relationship?

In what way?

I assume you know how reproduction works, I'm hoping I don't have to explain this


My partner and I are expecting our baby this week. We each have children with former partners. Why would having children in a poly marriage be any different than in any other type? Are you speaking about in the case of a divorce? Each child has one biological mother and one biological father. Just like current divorce, with custody issues, step-parents (or other adults in the poly marriage) can establish custodial and access rights. And, just like in current divorce, custody is messy and unpleasant.

fioce

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