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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:28 am
My grandfather was in World War II, and every time we went to visit him after I started getting into Japanese culture and anime, my mother would tell me to 'act normal'-- meaning, 'don't talk about Japanese things'.
Well, I've been thinking about this for a long time, especially after having some discussions with her.
Now, there's something I've never understood about Americans. Throughout my entire life, I've heard people say that '_______ is horrible'. Things like genocide and slavery. They direct their hate at the people causing things like that without ever thinking about something that I find blatantly obvious-- these are the things that made America 'great'. These things, genocide and slavery, are how we got this far. And yet most Americans don't think about things like the smallpox blankets (given to unsuspecting women and children) or the overseers with whips that made this country what it is today, do they? We place this stigma on people who wipe out other people or who enslave them, without even thinking about our own country's past.
How is that right? Japan did a lot of the things it did in war-time. I'm not saying that excuses it, but war-time is most certainly different from peace-time. America, on the other hand, did the things it did during times of peace. So is it right that we place a stigma on people who do the same things we did without taking a black mark ourselves?
Discuss, please? Alternate points of view are wanted.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:58 am
That is a very interesting point...I mean, back then it wasn't illegal. Everything America has done in the past, wasn't illegal at the time. And someone did something to improve America. So without all those hardships, we wouldn't have the great heros like Abe Lincoln or Martin Luther King Jr or anyone else who fought for those rights. And without them fighting the rights of other people, and those 'horrible' things didn't happen, what history would America have? Very fascinating point....
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Sand From The Future(GTD)
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:34 am
There was never anyone to tell us what's right and wrong, we had to learn from our mistakes. But when people throw accusations at other people and don't even consider the fact that they're being hypocritical, we wont progress. We should learn from our History, not hate it and repeat it in a different manner.
It's good to see that you acknowledge the situation.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:14 am
I remember a show talking about American and Japanese relationship after the bombs dropped and the end of the war. According to the show that was on the History Channel, it was because we wanted to create a better relationship with the nation or something like that. *shrugs* Yes, it is hypocritical to overlook the fact that they did do human experiments on POW and tortured many more like with the Bataan March, but you know how politics and war goes...
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Sand From The Future(GTD)
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:52 am
Solvent Solution I remember a show talking about American and Japanese relationship after the bombs dropped and the end of the war. According to the show that was on the History Channel, it was because we wanted to create a better relationship with the nation or something like that. *shrugs* Yes, it is hypocritical to overlook the fact that they did do human experiments on POW and tortured many more like with the Bataan March, but you know how politics and war goes... Watching the History channel gives you the basic facts, but the way they deliver them is very bias. They dull down the negative actions of the Americans and exaggerate the negative actions of the opposition. Just seems to me like they portray anyone that opposes them as heartless monsters some times. I prefer learning from an independent resource that isn't as bias as the people that took part in it.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:58 pm
I don't think it's so much us holding things against people, but you mention your WW2 veteran grandfather. During WW2, everyone was conditioned to hate two things: the Nazis and the Japanese. It's just the way it is.
Not to say that hypocrisy isn't playing a role in things. I believe that we shouldn't hold the past against anyone and should work on the present and future. Slavery and genocide may have been what built the nation as we know it, but that doesn't mean we have to condone or tolerate it in this day and age. We were not the ones doing the slaving and extermination.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:04 pm
Hmm, you raise an interesting point, but looking at it from the perspective of the nation-state I don't think that this hypocrisy is wrong. Given that a nation strives to continue to survive as a nation, it must differentiate itself from others. So we get a "them" and "us." To help national integrity, we must be better than them, so it makes sense to point fingers at others while conveniently forgetting about the bad things we have done. And the stronger the difference between us and them, the stronger our own national integrity can be. Hopefully that's comprehensible, I didn't write it out very well.
I don't think we should forget about what we've done in the past, but I consider it understandable how our perceptions function. I wouldn't say it's right, but it's understandable. You could look at the current issue of torturing suspected terrorists. I understand why the United States government wants to do it, but I don't think it's the right thing to do. That will only stop if the people make enough noise, I think. Sorry, I don't know where I'm going any more.
Summary: It's wrong, but understandable/acceptable.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:55 pm
Mr--K, I do agree with your point that it both terrible and understandable at the same time.
I find it incorrect to look only at America's war crimes. (Yes, I find it insulting that Jackson is on the Twenty, celebrating his memory after he both broke Constitutional law by ignore the Supreme Court's ruling and commit what would now be considered a crime against humanity by forcing the Cherokee Nation on the Trail of Tears.
Anyways, point should be at this time that this was of "the White Man's Burden" and these crimes are not only isolated to the US, but almost every other nation as well. No one's hands are clean. Look at Australia's record, too, with their indigenous Aboriginal population.
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