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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:34 pm
Everyone seems to have an opinion on the topic, and I was wondering what all of you think. Please confine your response to Gay Marriage, rather than homosexuality in general.
Discussion Questions by SinfulGuillotine to provide further discussion:
-Is marriage truly a Christian concept?
-If so, should those who the majority of Christianity says are "living in sin" be permitted to marry?
-If so, does that means that heterosexual couples who are not Christian should be allowed to marry?
-If marriage is a Christian concept, should it come with legal benefits at all, or is that a violation of a secular government?
[/obvious bias]
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:22 pm
This is such a touchy topic everyone has an opinion on it and it never seems to have a happy medium.
I dated a girl for 6 months(by the way I do not consider my self to be Bi sexual or a lesbian) and well it was a relationship and I cared about her a great deal so why shouldn’t her and I not be able to get married? Its ludicrous. Why, because of procreation, not all marriages result in an offspring. If people are denying a marriage due to that, then why don’t we just deny same sex couples who are sterile or who don’t want kids marriage also ?
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:38 am
I think, we cannot define matrimony any more as an social sanctioned contract for the production of children.
When I will marry, I will step in front of the altar to show God: "This is the man I love and want to spent my life with. I plea you to look after him, because he is most precious to me."
Because of this there should be no reason to refuse homosexuals the same right. If they want their bond blessed, why not? The only thing they (and the standard hetero couple too) have to think of is that this relationship should last till one of them is dead, that they should not commit adultery, that tey sould respect each other and, if nothing works, before they divorce at least they should try to arrange.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:18 pm
I honesty think the Catholic Church is hypocritic in its denial of Holy Matrimoney for single-sex couples. Seriously. I honesty think Scripture allows it, and I don't see any decent reason it should not be allowed. And I prepared to dig up stuff on that. If I'm asked. (But now I'm too sleepy..)
redface
I also think it's a bit of a weird thing having legal parnerships and not calling it marriage. Because it kinda is, don't you think? If you're giving the rights of a married couple to a couple, doesn't that make them married? All be it in state law, but...you know.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:36 pm
Nemithena I also think it's a bit of a weird thing having legal parnerships and not calling it marriage. Because it kinda is, don't you think? If you're giving the rights of a married couple to a couple, doesn't that make them married? All be it in state law, but...you know. Yeah, I've always found that a little...strange. I've never really understood the concept of having to cann same-sex partnerships something different. If it walks like a duck and it sounds like a duck... But anyway. Yes on same-sex marriage. Though I think people in China are informed of my views on this subject by now.
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:59 am
SinfulGuillotine Though I think people in China are informed of my views on this subject by now.
*Go on!*
rolleyes
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:22 pm
Marriage is the legal joining of persons under law (and under God if they so choose but this is irrelevant). What is the justification for not allowing same sex couples to marry? Procreation? Refuse divorce to those who have children and refuse marriage to those who are infertile. Those who do not produce a child within a reasonable amount of time, annul their marriage. Sanctity of marriage? Hold up, prove the Bible condemns it and show why this should matter in legal matters. It's gross? So is child birth, let us make this illegal.
Plain and simple, marriage is a fundamental right (Declaration of Human Rights) that may not be denied on the basis of sex.
Mary wishes to marry.
Mary wishes to marry Sally.
Marry is denied marriage to Sally because Sally is female and Mary is female.
Should Sally or Mary (but not both) have been male, the marriage would have been allowed.
Therefore, it is discrimination based on sex.
I have yet to hear a valid argument against the legal marriage of same sex partners. Marriage, not civil union. Separate yet equal is inherently unequal.
As for holy matrimony? This depends on one's interpretation of the Bible. Mine happens to not condemn it. I believe enough doubt may be shed upon the interpretation that does condemn it so as to make...silly the (can't remember word, will return) condemnation of it.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:38 pm
jesus_geek Everyone seems to have an opinion on the topic, and I was wondering what all of you think. Please confine your response to Gay Marriage, rather than homosexuality in general. Discussion Questions by SinfulGuillotine to provide further discussion: -Is marriage truly a Christian concept? If one believes in the literal translation of genesis, it may very well have started as such. Does history agree? Not be a long shot. Quote: -If so, should those who the majority of Christianity says are "living in sin" be permitted to marry? Yes, even if it were originally Christian in origin, the patent has long worn out. It is now primarily a legal joining. Churches may, of course, deny marriage to any whom they deem unacceptable. Quote: -If so, does that means that heterosexual couples who are not Christian should be allowed to marry? This would depend on the particular church would it not? Some believe one may follow Him without knowing one is following Him. Through action and kindness, one shows their faith. Quote: -If marriage is a Christian concept, should it come with legal benefits at all, or is that a violation of a secular government? It is not a violation, as I have said. It has evolved.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:15 pm
It is my understanding that by its own laws, the government itself has no right to deny gay marrige simply because it doesn't go along with the christian concept of marrige. [Christian being the key word here]
But honestly folks, who thinks that in our lifetimes there will ever be a point during witch there is a complete separation of church and state?
Oh and the argument that it would destroy the sanctanty of marrige...oh no, the sanctanty of the 52 hour Brittnay Spears marrige would be lost forever...tragic isn't it?
On a personal note, I'm all for it, seeing as I'm bisexual and prefer girls [promise I'm not a half closet-ed lesbian so don't go there...] I would love the opportunity to get married in a chaple with the dress, the bridesmaids, the whole deal, with Dad walking me down the aile, regardless of the gender of the person he gives me away to.
But I suppose my personal opinions are rarely counted b/c it would be ridiculous for a homo/bi-sexual person to be anti-gay marriage.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:41 pm
1.if marriage was a christian concept,then muslims could never marry.niether could atheists.my aunt and uncle are both atheists and they're married.its against christianity to not believe in god,and yet they got married anyway. but its also against christianity to be gay,and gays cant marry.i have a problem with this-if my aunt and uncle can get married when they go against the religion,then anyone who gos against the religion should be allowed to marry.
i personally believe everyone should be allowed to marry.its not about the religion,its about commitment.
2. marraiges needs the legal benefits. where else would people get those benefits from
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:01 pm
Miss. SpaZZtaSt!C [promise I'm not a half closet-ed lesbian so don't go there...]
I am terriably hurt.
More on topic bit: it seems odd that it has anything to do with the affair of church and state; marriage is simple politics, and divorces can still occur, regardless of traditional vie.....actually, why don't any conservatives stand up as much against divorce? Like the 52 hour thing - how can you be pro-divorce and anti-gay marriage?
confused
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:27 pm
Nemithena Miss. SpaZZtaSt!C [promise I'm not a half closet-ed lesbian so don't go there...]
I am terriably hurt.
More on topic bit: it seems odd that it has anything to do with the affair of church and state; marriage is simple politics, and divorces can still occur, regardless of traditional vie.....actually, why don't any conservatives stand up as much against divorce? Like the 52 hour thing - how can you be pro-divorce and anti-gay marriage?
confused Because Moses told us divorce was okay, and we all know that he was more important than that Jesus guy.
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Violet_Abyss Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:18 pm
Nemithena Miss. SpaZZtaSt!C [promise I'm not a half closet-ed lesbian so don't go there...]
I am terriably hurt.
More on topic bit: it seems odd that it has anything to do with the affair of church and state; marriage is simple politics, and divorces can still occur, regardless of traditional vie.....actually, why don't any conservatives stand up as much against divorce? Like the 52 hour thing - how can you be pro-divorce and anti-gay marriage?
confused Haha, that does sound like a serious conflict of interest, although in theory it stems from the idea that being gay is EEEVIL and therefore they should all be burned at the stake, and the marriage bit is just going EW NO GAY PEOPLE IS RUINING OUR CHUUUURCH MAKE THEM GO AWAAAY! more than about actual marriage, I think.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:48 am
Nemithena Miss. SpaZZtaSt!C [promise I'm not a half closet-ed lesbian so don't go there...]
I am terriably hurt.
More on topic bit: it seems odd that it has anything to do with the affair of church and state; marriage is simple politics, and divorces can still occur, regardless of traditional vie.....actually, why don't any conservatives stand up as much against divorce? Like the 52 hour thing - how can you be pro-divorce and anti-gay marriage?
confused This is simple because pro-divorce is for the freedom of choice and anti-gay marriage is... uhmmm, errrrr, well, it is about having kids, see... What? Infertile couples? Uhmmm... Adoption? Errr... Loving each other? Absolutely not! wink Dealing with logic or so doesn't work for some people I fear.
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