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Violet_Abyss Vice Captain
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 Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:52 pm
It seems like plastic surgery is pretty standard these days. Everyone has had a nose job, or a face lift, or any other manner of things. There are whole shows centered around finding ugly people and making them "beautiful". And of course, there are a whole list of other kinds of surgeries; breast reduction surgery, lazer eye surgery, among others, that just make life more comfortable. And then there's things like reconstruction after one's been in an accident.
Which brings me to the point. Most, if not all plastic surgery is either to make you look younger, or to make your life more comfortable. Do you think that you would ever get it? What kind? What do you think about the ethics behind it - I mean, would God really appreciate our changing the faces that he/she gave us?
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:06 pm
I can completely understand something like reconstructive cosmetic surgery, laser eye surgery, or breast reduction surgery. To me, while they usually aren't life-saving, they can still greatly improve one's quality of life, and I think that if one has the means, they should definitely be able to seek the highest quality of life that they can.
As for procedures that are entirely for the purpose of looking younger/better...I'm a little undecided.
On the one hand, it could be argued that these too can greatly improve one's quality of life. A woman who has been teased her whole life for having small breasts might find an enormous self-esteem boost in getting breast implants, which could make her a lot happier and find her life more fulfilling.
But on the other hand, something rubs me the wrong way about just going out and changing the parts of our bodies that we don't like, rather than learning to live with it and hopefully find beauty in the parts of themselves that may deviate from society's standard of beauty.
Also, I think the whole idea of running from old age via plastic surgery is a little silly. Getting old is a natural part of being alive. Assuming you're fortunate enough to live that long, it's going to happen eventually, no matter how many facelifts you get. May as well just accept it and move on with your life, rather than spending God knows how much money to stay looking 20.
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Violet_Abyss Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:41 pm
SinfulGuillotine I can completely understand something like reconstructive cosmetic surgery, laser eye surgery, or breast reduction surgery. To me, while they usually aren't life-saving, they can still greatly improve one's quality of life, and I think that if one has the means, they should definitely be able to seek the highest quality of life that they can. As for procedures that are entirely for the purpose of looking younger/better...I'm a little undecided. On the one hand, it could be argued that these too can greatly improve one's quality of life. A woman who has been teased her whole life for having small breasts might find an enormous self-esteem boost in getting breast implants, which could make her a lot happier and find her life more fulfilling. But on the other hand, something rubs me the wrong way about just going out and changing the parts of our bodies that we don't like, rather than learning to live with it and hopefully find beauty in the parts of themselves that may deviate from society's standard of beauty. Also, I think the whole idea of running from old age via plastic surgery is a little silly. Getting old is a natural part of being alive. Assuming you're fortunate enough to live that long, it's going to happen eventually, no matter how many facelifts you get. May as well just accept it and move on with your life, rather than spending God knows how much money to stay looking 20. And a creepy, alien-ish 20 at that.
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:04 am
Personally I am not very comfortable with plastic surgery... I once went to the plastic surgeon to have a mole removed, because I wanted a small scar... He had flyers for breast implants liying out, but I don't think anyone ever used these possibilities.
Funny, I was sitting in the waiting room, an older couple entered, we greeted each other politely and then had a little chat about breast implants, because I was reading one of these flyers. (The magazines were really boring).
I thought the whole time, that the woman was there for a lifting, and I think that she thought I was there for breast implants. *g* She was not sure if I wanted or already head, she always tried to look unobtrusive at my chest. (Her housband wanted to have a normal operation and wanted a small scar like me. rofl )
But breast implants? Small breasts may be depressing for some women, but this is a psychological problem, not a physical...
If the have the breast amputated or something like this - anything which reconstructs, that'S totally okay for me. You had a really bad time and shouldn't need to deal with it's aftermaths...
I don't like my nose too much, would like some pounds less, but operations because of this? No, I cannot imagine, because this is such a heavy act to your body.
Having a new nose to become more popular? Why? I really do not want to deal with so shallow people...
What god would say to beauty-OPs? Well, I think: "I still love them but I had a reason for giving them this body..."
/edit: Lifting... The funny thing is: When you tan too much, your skin grows older. So many women which try to look beautiful just need this kind of operation!
And to be honest: I think I have a good chance to look not too bad in age when I look at my mother and grandmother. So I can speak easily about this. But the main point is always: Feeling well with yourself and your body.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:49 pm
Yeah, I agree that the problem is far more psychological than it is physical. I think it's probably a better plan, generally speaking, to learn to be happy with the body and features you have rather than spend ridiculous amounts of money to change it.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:34 am
Violet_Abyss Do you think that you would ever get it? If I have enough money to blow and I am willing to risk the potential hazards? Sure. Breast reduction. Medical. I have back pains. Quote: What do you think about the ethics behind it - I mean, would God really appreciate our changing the faces that he/she gave us? Personally, as I said in another thread on here, I do not believe we should be bound by anatomy/biology. However, I read somewhere (years and years ago) a verse (supposedly from the Bible) that stated one was not to intentionally and permanently disfigure any part of one's own body. T'was in an ear piercing debate that this was brought up. If this was a valid verse, I think it is clear. I think reconstruction and medical plastic surgery may be okay though...?
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:25 pm
there is nothing wrong with it, if people feel that it will make them happier then I say why not , is it any diffrent from a tatoo or geting a nose ring, doubtful! why critize one type of alteration and defend another? I say its our bodies why not do what we wish with them? blaugh
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:32 pm
Violet_Abyss It seems like plastic surgery is pretty standard these days. Everyone has had a nose job, or a face lift, or any other manner of things. There are whole shows centered around finding ugly people and making them "beautiful". And of course, there are a whole list of other kinds of surgeries; breast reduction surgery, lazer eye surgery, among others, that just make life more comfortable. And then there's things like reconstruction after one's been in an accident. Which brings me to the point. Most, if not all plastic surgery is either to make you look younger, or to make your life more comfortable. Quote: Do you think that you would ever get it? why not, if your unhappy with your body why not try to improve it we do it with dye, clothes, make-up and ect all the time, whats so diffrent? um maybe a nose job i broke my nose a few months ago and well I fell it looks really ulgy, i dono it just feels wrong on my face. i dont feel like i look loke the same me Quote: What do you think about the ethics behind it - I mean, would God really appreciate our changing the faces that he/she gave us?
why would he give us the tools we need to do it if he/she didnt want us to?
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:22 am
the kinky boot beast why would he give us the tools we need to do it if he/she didnt want us to? *g* I think, this kind of question started with the tree of... What's the name in English? Well, you know, the apple in Paradise. wink Well, he could have given us the tools for helping cancer/accident victims... It's like weapons can be used for hunting and for murder... sweatdrop I know that I am just playing with words, and for example do not really want to know what guilt I have alreaded loaded up on me by not thinking about the consequences when doing something which is only today possible... Back to surgery: Somehow my opinion about has something to do with my upbringing: I had some hard time when growing up and nothing of my body was fitting together. I had to live with it, because there simply wasn't the possibility for me, and now I think: Why should only I suffer? (Completely ignoring that my nose now fits my face, my hole body isn't perfect but nontheless okay, etc.) This could also be a reason for me. Or the thought that there are a lot of people who look worse than me. wink
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:11 pm
the kinky boot beast Violet_Abyss It seems like plastic surgery is pretty standard these days. Everyone has had a nose job, or a face lift, or any other manner of things. There are whole shows centered around finding ugly people and making them "beautiful". And of course, there are a whole list of other kinds of surgeries; breast reduction surgery, lazer eye surgery, among others, that just make life more comfortable. And then there's things like reconstruction after one's been in an accident. Which brings me to the point. Most, if not all plastic surgery is either to make you look younger, or to make your life more comfortable. Quote: Do you think that you would ever get it? why not, if your unhappy with your body why not try to improve it we do it with dye, clothes, make-up and ect all the time, whats so diffrent? um maybe a nose job i broke my nose a few months ago and well I fell it looks really ulgy, i dono it just feels wrong on my face. i dont feel like i look loke the same me Quote: What do you think about the ethics behind it - I mean, would God really appreciate our changing the faces that he/she gave us? why would he give us the tools we need to do it if he/she didnt want us to? The tools can be tools for lots of things, like reconstruction after an accident, or surgery that will improve someone's health, but I think there is such a thing as going too far. And I think we have gone too far, and then some, at least in this country.
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Violet_Abyss Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:34 pm
It's my opinion that plastic surgery just for the sake of looking better is foolish. You obviously have better things you could be spending your money on. You probably need a psychiatrist more than a new nose if you're self esteem is so low that you think you need a new nose to feel good about yourself.
Reconstructive is different. Making someone look how they did before an accident can be critical to their mental recovery. That goes for things like breast reduction and laser eye surgery as well. Things that make your quality of living go up are ok in my book. Breast implants in certain situations.
Then there's the whole thing with Asians getting that eye surgery so they can see better or something...I'm not sure of the why's and how's, but I have a friend who got it done and she really likes it.
To me, those things are acceptable. Just for the sake of looking better is stupid.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:14 am
Quote: Tiager It's my opinion that plastic surgery just for the sake of looking better is foolish. You obviously have better things you could be spending your money on. You probably need a psychiatrist more than a new nose if you're self esteem is so low that you think you need a new nose to feel good about yourself. Reconstructive is different. Making someone look how they did before an accident can be critical to their mental recovery. That goes for things like breast reduction and laser eye surgery as well. Things that make your quality of living go up are ok in my book.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:05 pm
the kinky boot beast Tiager It's my opinion that plastic surgery just for the sake of looking better is foolish. You obviously have better things you could be spending your money on. You probably need a psychiatrist more than a new nose if you're self esteem is so low that you think you need a new nose to feel good about yourself. Reconstructive is different. Making someone look how they did before an accident can be critical to their mental recovery. That goes for things like breast reduction and laser eye surgery as well. Things that make your quality of living go up are ok in my book. Sometimes...not very often. I'm semi ignoring your spelling error.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:26 pm
the kinky boot beast I think that sometimes geting that face lift or boob job dose improve the quality of life for some people biggrin many people dont have to get a boob job to get a higher self esteem but it dosent hurt when you look. as the saying goes look good feel good. Right? Although I can certainly see how that would be the case for many people (there's days where I feel like my life would be a whole lot better if I looked different), I think it's generally better for people to learn to be happy (or at least content) with the body God gave them. It's more of an emotional problem than a physical one, and yet they're seeking a physical "cure" for it. Not that I would try to stop someone from getting plastic surgery if they really wanted it. It's their money, their body, and their life. I just think it would be ideal for people to find themselves beautiful as they are, rather than constantly finding things that they need to "fix."
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