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 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:32 pm
Sooooo... Being one to have things look nice, I have been looking at the new stuff from KDE and Gnome.
Right now I am running Gnome 2.18.0 and well its the same thing as 2.16.0... But I seems there is some new stuff about the disk manager, encryption and the gDisklets has gotten updated. I mean looks the same old thing. Which is good, I mean don't mess with a good thing. The file manger is the same.
KDE 4, well there is a lot going on there, new file manger [Dolphin], new art, and lots of new... I am a fan of all gui's that aren't stock windows lol, and well I am just worried that KDE 4 is just going to be too out there from what I am used to from 3....
Let me know what you think, is gnome doing it right with small steps that you don't really notice, or is KDE doing it right with huge changes?
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:07 pm
I think they both are doing it right...
Gnome 2.18 is a polish release from Gnome 2.16. Minor number version bump reinforces that, as well... The new features in 2.18 aren't earth-shattering, nor are they supposed to be. The jump from 2.16 from 2.14 was also this way. And from 2.12 to 2.14... Seeing the pattern here?
The last major Gnome shakeup was actually 1.4 to 2.0 - I remember that release VERY clearly, as Gnome 2.x was a total rewrite around GTK 2, ditching GTK1.x - a very good choice. There was some confusion in the application space for a while (a lot of non-gnome-maintained programs still used GTK1 for a release or two), but eventually it all was sorted out. Needless to say, though, it was a MAJOR change, and versioned appropriately...
Likewise, the jump from KDE 3.x to another minor version bump was just the same - nothing earth-shattering, nor was it supposed to be. Now we have KDE 4, which is a major revision to 3 - they're doing what Gnome did back in the day, and upgrading the whole desktop to use QT4 (it currently uses QT3). Once this is done, KDE will stay on the 4.x path for a while, doing small updates, while Gnome (hopefully) prepares for a Gnome 3.0 release, consisting of a major change/update to the core desktop environment.
Just note that KDE doesn't ALWAYS do "huge changes" nor does Gnome always do "small steps".
Honestly, I think we can't comment about KDE 4 until it's actually finished (or, if we do, take it with a large grain of salt).
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:10 am
Yea, KDE is known for making small changes into updates, for example the only difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 is that they moved things around in 3.5.6. Of course reading though info about KDE 4 it seems like it is more of a major update, giving KDE more power behind it, and smarter than anything else KDE has ever made.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:09 pm
Upon closer inspection, there is also no planned Gnome 3.0 release. They're going to continue their minor update 6 month release cycle for a while, possibly indefinitely...
Here's to Gnome 2.76 some day...
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:01 am
Have fun waiting, the way GNOME is going it will take them forever
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:04 pm
vendion Yea, KDE is known for making small changes into updates, for example the only difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 is that they moved things around in 3.5.6. Of course reading though info about KDE 4 it seems like it is more of a major update, giving KDE more power behind it, and smarter than anything else KDE has ever made. Big down side of KDE 4, KDE is replacing its current file/web browser with a new app that is only a file browser. Konqueror is being replaced with Dolphin, at first this may not sound so bad, but Dolphin is missing a few key features that Konqueror has, the biggest one is the lack of file browser the second is the lack the the side bar in Konqueror. The point of Dolphin is to create a QT version of Nautilus (File browser for GNOME). More missing features include: in the extended menu noticed that Actions menu only has option to send file/folder via e-mail …. no burn with k3b, send via bluetooth and others. Screen shot of Dolphin  ^ Screen shot of Konqueror I fear this is the first step, of many, of KDE becoming a QT version of GNOME.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:45 pm
It might still be able to use Konqueror (i hope) will it be possable to load it form a previous version of kde or is Qt4 way different? vendion vendion Yea, KDE is known for making small changes into updates, for example the only difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 is that they moved things around in 3.5.6. Of course reading though info about KDE 4 it seems like it is more of a major update, giving KDE more power behind it, and smarter than anything else KDE has ever made. Big down side of KDE 4, KDE is replacing its current file/web browser with a new app that is only a file browser. Konqueror is being replaced with Dolphin, at first this may not sound so bad, but Dolphin is missing a few key features that Konqueror has, the biggest one is the lack of file browser the second is the lack the the side bar in Konqueror. The point of Dolphin is to create a QT version of Nautilus (File browser for GNOME). More missing features include: in the extended menu noticed that Actions menu only has option to send file/folder via e-mail …. no burn with k3b, send via bluetooth and others. Screen shot of Dolphin ^ Screen shot of Konqueror I fear this is the first step, of many, of KDE becoming a QT version of GNOME.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:59 am
jmad980 It might still be able to use Konqueror (i hope) will it be possable to load it form a previous version of kde or is Qt4 way different? vendion vendion Yea, KDE is known for making small changes into updates, for example the only difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 is that they moved things around in 3.5.6. Of course reading though info about KDE 4 it seems like it is more of a major update, giving KDE more power behind it, and smarter than anything else KDE has ever made. Big down side of KDE 4, KDE is replacing its current file/web browser with a new app that is only a file browser. Konqueror is being replaced with Dolphin, at first this may not sound so bad, but Dolphin is missing a few key features that Konqueror has, the biggest one is the lack of file browser the second is the lack the the side bar in Konqueror. The point of Dolphin is to create a QT version of Nautilus (File browser for GNOME). More missing features include: in the extended menu noticed that Actions menu only has option to send file/folder via e-mail …. no burn with k3b, send via bluetooth and others. Screen shot of Dolphin ^ Screen shot of Konqueror I fear this is the first step, of many, of KDE becoming a QT version of GNOME. I don't wanna sound like a Gnome fan boy... but Dolphin looks a lot like Nautilus....
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:25 pm
rewtz jmad980 It might still be able to use Konqueror (i hope) will it be possable to load it form a previous version of kde or is Qt4 way different? vendion vendion Yea, KDE is known for making small changes into updates, for example the only difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 is that they moved things around in 3.5.6. Of course reading though info about KDE 4 it seems like it is more of a major update, giving KDE more power behind it, and smarter than anything else KDE has ever made. Big down side of KDE 4, KDE is replacing its current file/web browser with a new app that is only a file browser. Konqueror is being replaced with Dolphin, at first this may not sound so bad, but Dolphin is missing a few key features that Konqueror has, the biggest one is the lack of file browser the second is the lack the the side bar in Konqueror. The point of Dolphin is to create a QT version of Nautilus (File browser for GNOME). More missing features include: in the extended menu noticed that Actions menu only has option to send file/folder via e-mail …. no burn with k3b, send via bluetooth and others. Screen shot of Dolphin ^ Screen shot of Konqueror I fear this is the first step, of many, of KDE becoming a QT version of GNOME. I don't wanna sound like a Gnome fan boy... but Dolphin looks a lot like Nautilus.... They are saying that they will keep konqueror it just won't be the default file manager You maybe able to get Dolphin to run with QT3, but it was made in 4
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:31 am
Did some digging, and Gnome 3 will likely be planned when GTK3 is planned/done.
Asked a few devs I know on the Gnome project. Seeing as how GTK3+ isn't currently planned, it may still never happen but then again it just may. Hard to say. I'd bet there will be a Gnome 3 some time, even if it's just a PR thing. KDE 9.X while we still have Gnome 2.X will make Gnome look like it's stagnating quite well, for instance. So while nobody will go on record saying it will happen for sure, Gnome 3 has to happen eventually...
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