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j5689

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:30 pm


A piece from NetStang.com:

"When modifying the stock set up, you should always replace the stock paper air filter element with a free flowing reusable filter such as the industry standard "K&N Filtercharger". In addition, some original non-modified 5.0's and 4.6's may still have the factory installed air intake silencers. These silencers do nothing for performance but were originally designed with well intentions.

The silencer is a dual purpose device. It's basic design bottle-necks the air intake charge. In doing so, it lowers the intake noise for the average consumer and helps keep contaminates such as water, dirt, and snow from prematurely clogging the air filter. Unfortunately this approach just hurts performance in the process.

Since most Mustang enthusiasts generally like the sound of a "throaty" intake and try to avoid extreme whether conditions at all costs, the silencer should be removed and placed on a shelf in the "non-performance" section of your garage. Removing it should not hurt emissions or adversely effect the car in any way. This combined with a free flow filter, is good for about 5 HP or so. Not bad for a $40 investment and a few minutes of time!"

The part that I made bold is why I made this thread. Does the silencer do that particular job well enough for someone to consider keeping it on?

Another piece from here that you all might be interested in, this link includes instructions on how to remove the silencer yourself: http://www.njtacc.com/tech/air_silencer.html

"Ford, and GM, produced all of their cars with an air silencer. The manufacturers decided that the average customer wanted a quieter engine, with performance as an expense. By removing the silencer you will gain a slightly deeper exhaust note. Also, at higher engine RPM, you will hear the vacuum created by the intake system. You will gain 1-2 hp. No, not a lot, but the modification is free."




All of this information was found here: http://www.allpar.com/model/m/air-intake.html
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:31 pm


the question is pretty retarded, J.

Anyone that modifies their car for performance (exhaust, new intake, K&N filter) are trying to remove all restrictions from their intake system. And if the silencer is only there to quiet the intake noise, it's not doing anything for performance.

And usually, they don't care if their car is a little louder for it. So of course we're not going to care if we rip out another little filter that we really don't need, because I know that K&N filters do a great job of holding up to contaminants in the air. I've never had a problem with a filter clogging faster or slower for removing the airbox on any car (I've done it on my buddy's mustang, another friend's F-150 [ with fuel injection ] without serious adverse effects to the filter.)

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j5689

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:00 pm


Well, you and everybody else in the guild think everything I do is retarded, so I don't care about that part. But I thank you for the rather helpful input nevertheless.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:13 pm


If anything, I would think the higher amount of noise would be a good thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:41 pm


j5689
If anything, I would think the higher amount of noise would be a good thing.

Why?
I would think it would suck if you're trying to come home after a night out with the boys and your girl is sleeping and you wheren't supposed to go out or wake her up or whatever.
Or what if you really want to listen to a song on the radio while you drive.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:50 am


Then you get a louder stereo Panda wink

Nah J, you just don't always think before you post. S'all good. 3nodding

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DaShooter

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:06 pm


When you remove the silencer it does not make that much more noise. You can here it pulling the air in. The silencer was put on to lower the noise of the intake pulling air in.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:15 pm


At least it's not as bad as a bike my brother (supposedly) helped design. Modified Honda CBR 900RR - lightened to the nth degree and with rifled carbs, iirc. Supposedly it got up to an ear-splitting 120db just off of the intake alone eek

I've tried to find any information about it online, but nothing at all about any type of "Anaconda" motorcycle seems to be his sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:43 am


Maelthra Reloaded
Then you get a louder stereo Panda wink

Nah J, you just don't always think before you post. S'all good. 3nodding

Its always a cycle isn't it. First you add big brakes and tires. Then you play with the suspesion to accomodate a new turbo set up, then find your stereo isn't loud enough, so you get a bigger one, then all this noise is too much so you start wearing a helmet. With wearing the helmet you figure why not go the whole toot and turn it into a race car, so you do that then go on a lightening bindge removing the stereo and dash and what not. Then you figure you need a new car to get around in, so you buy one and it handles like poo, so you get bigger wheels and tires...

Jayden Kelvari
At least it's not as bad as a bike my brother (supposedly) helped design. Modified Honda CBR 900RR - lightened to the nth degree and with rifled carbs, iirc. Supposedly it got up to an ear-splitting 120db just off of the intake alone eek

I've tried to find any information about it online, but nothing at all about any type of "Anaconda" motorcycle seems to be his sweatdrop

Modified bikes are always tricky. Always loud as ******** and always scary.
Was his bike maybe featured in a magazine?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:38 pm


DaShooter
When you remove the silencer it does not make that much more noise. You can here it pulling the air in. The silencer was put on to lower the noise of the intake pulling air in.
I was told that air intake noise is a good noise.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:49 pm


It looks like it would require a significant amount of time to do. It's guarded very well by a splash guard which is secured by 3 pushpins and two screws that tie the splash guard to the fender. I couldn't convince my dad to let me do it either, he thinks it'll be really really noisy or something, he just doesn't listen and it annoys the ******** out of me that he does that because he always acts like an a*****e when I talk about car upgrades and stuff. Like he thinks i'm an idiot about basic things of a car like that. I just want to upgrade a car, i've never done anything to one before because everyone is an a** about it.

Sorry to go into story mode everybody, lol. Would it be possible that this upgrade would give the car better gas mileage? He's one of those people who needs every gallon to work for him (Unless it involves an upgrade). This one is just too easy to do and doesn't require money, I can't let this one slip through my fingers.

I'm guessing he doesn't want to because the warranty is still in effect. Once it runs out I can probably do something to it. Same goes for the Jetta Wagon.

Btw, they finally made a CAI that would work with our Jetta Wagon (It's Turbo Diesel Injection): http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/performance/basket.php?makeid=26&modelid=263&year=2005&partid=15&brandid=3596
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:19 pm


J, I can understand where your dad is comming from. He doesn't want to spend money on a car that is perfectly adequate for what he uses it for.
Bare in mind that if that car gets stolen or written off, insurance won't neccacarily pay out for any upgrades you've done to the car.
You can insure a modified car with some companies but its a tedius task of listing everything you've done to have it valued. Then your insurance premiums go through the roof.
And should your dad want to sell the car later, he might not get a decient price for it because of the mods. I generally wouldn't buy a modified car.

I can also understand where you are coming from.
If you want to play around with motor's and stuff, ask your dad/mom to buy you a really cheap shitty old car to fix up for like xmas or a birthday. I mean, if you live in the USA you can pick up cars for next to nothing. Don't buy a couple games for a while and save a couple hundred bucks and get a beater. Im sure if your dad knows a bit about mechanics he'd be willing to show you a thing or two.

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Jayden Kelvari

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:00 am


Super Panda

Modified bikes are always tricky. Always loud as ******** and always scary.
Was his bike maybe featured in a magazine?
I don't know if it was featured in a magazine or not, but it was supposedly raced a few times.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:06 pm


My dad doesn't know s**t about car upgrades, lol. I like to do things myself anyway. Too bad I don't a have a ******** job yet and won't be able to until the 26th when I turn 15, even then it probably won't be easy to get one. All the other people in my grade turned 15 long before I will so most of the jobs will be hogged probably, lol. Did I tell you guys that McDonalds now requires a high school diploma to work there now?

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