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Aww, Creedykins is cuuute. >w<

I personally like his character, it's good to get a really crazy villain every once in a while. <3

His ambitions get ahead of him a lot of the time, and he's got more than a few screws loose, yes. But he's a determined little bugger. <3

(and also, the more I see of Creed/Train, the more I like it. XD )

The Apostles of the Stars's general purpose is to wrest the control of the world from Chronos for themselves, and then cull everyone that can't use Tao, or at least, that's the impression I got. All of the members are there for their own reasons, but that's the unifying purpose. Yeah, it's kinda crazy and a little megalomaniacal, but yanno.

And he isn't necessarily killing all the 'good' people, or letting all the 'bad' people have control. You don't always have to see things in terms of black or white. Only certain people can obtain Tao, otherwise they die after imbibing the drink, right? They have to have a certain something. Being ultimately bad or good has nothing to do with it. Though I do question the logic of using prison escapees for potential world leaders. XD

They want to rebuild the world, or at least, most of the Taoists do. As it is today, you wouldn't say the world is a good place, right? Wars, starvation, et cetera, et cetera. They actually want to do something about it; they think that they can do a better job of doing things than Chronos. Admittedly, the better job implies giving everyone super-powers, buuut we'll just gloss over that. XD

Creed has his reasons for being crazy, too, I think. IIRC, at least.

And -most- of the other Apostles aren't that nutso, but they're all a little ...off. XD But their hearts are in the right places.

That's why I like the group so much, I guess. Ends justifying the means and such. Not to mention the fact that I have an irredeemable hatred for stupid people. XD

This turned into a rant about the AotS instead of a rant about Creed not being a bad character. >>; OH WELL.

<3

Finally, someone recognized my cosplay. Though it's in tatters right now because I get cracky and want half-naked!Charden.

:cough:

Umn, well, it's never really explained ever, but I have my theories. In the manga, it's stated that Charden has some 'grudge' against Chronos, but it's never stated outright exactly -what- was his grudge. I'm thinking it may be anything from killing family members to preventing him from doing something, sabatoging his business, or maybe even just -existing- in the first place.

He mentions something about how a Chronos-run world isn't a 'just' place, when he fights with Belze (in the manga), and later (in the anime, I know I'm switching universes, but he's the same character, anyway.) he tells Kyoko to 'act in accordance with what she believes to be right' or something like that. Not to mention the fact that he leaves, not because the Apostles are terrorists, but because Creed's deviated from the original purpose of the Apostles of the Stars, which is to eradicate Chronos.

I'm just drawing things from the air here, but I think that Charden has an ultimate sense of right and wrong, which may shift from time to time, but as far as the current moment goes, he'll go with what is 'right' for the time being. Which may explain his total "WOO CHRONOS ISN'T SO BAD AFTER ALL, EVEN IF THAT b***h SEPHIRA BROKE MY SEXYSEXY GLASSES AND MADE ME TAKE OFF MY HAT AND WEAR MY HAIR LIKE A GIRL. IN FACT THAT EVENT MADE ME REALISE THAT THEY WERE COOL WITH ME. AND THEN THEY CONVERTED ME TO BUDDHISM, TOO."


What makes him and Kyoko really hard to write for is that nothing's ever clarified about them. Ah, such is the fate of minor characters ;___;

As far as Kyoko's reasons, my guess is that she was approached by a member of the Apostles, most likely Charden ( 'cause they chill together, yo. (andaresecretlyinlovebuttoonervoustotelleachother(or at least in my fanfics, XD))) and asked to take the Tao drink. She's a very smart girl, her grades were top notch before she joined the Apostles. The only reason they were falling is because she was away, umn, killing people. X3

And as far as her reasoning to go through with it, once someone tells you that a myserious organization is ruling the world behind the scenes, but you can help to stop them, possibly be a world leader, and get some cool powers along the way, you're not going to turn down that offer, right?

"No, I'd much rather stay in school and be boring."

See? doesn't work. XD

Creed may have actually joined, then started leading the Apostles of the Stars, just to spite Chronos, and also to further draw Train to him. Train is everything Creed wants to be, or at least, Train when he was with Chronos. He had mastered his weapon. He was heartless in battle. His form was perfect, he was a virtuoso. Watching Train fight was like watching poetry in motion, at least for Creed, because he was -that- good. Still is, but then he lost that heartlessness, the anger, that cold fury Creed wanted so much. A really good line to describe it, from a fanfic that I read once is Creed doesn't love Train because Creed's gay, Creed loves Train because Train is Train. That love is the kind of love one has for one's preferred deity (Buddha, Allah, you get it), not for a romantic partner, because he's so perfect, because he's excellent.

Creed's abuse is probably the main reason for his insanity, but even if he is insane, that doesn't mean he's a bad person. He wants to do what pleases the person he knows to be perfect.

I adore Creed. I'm not a Creed fangirl, per se, but I do love the man. He's a complete nutcase and yet has these periods of seeming lucidity only for him to snap again. He's a fantastic, interesting villain.

Unlike the villains of so many series Creed isn't evil. And he certainly isn't evil just for the sake of it, either. He has a traumatic past that isn't overdone. What happens is everything that happened to him so early on in his life affected him throughout the rest of his life to value strength and raising above others above all else. Train, who also had a hard life and had thus become strong and hardened against everything in life, was such an idol to Train. They were of the same breed, they were kindred spirits, Train was everything that Creed aspired to be and more.

Then, Saya showed up and changed everything. But Creed's faith in this man, Black Cat, whom he had been idolizing was so strong that he couldn't believe that Train had simply changed. No, he insisted that the Black Cat he knew and was so alike to was still there... and, in ways, he was, but only Creed could really draw this side of Train out (which only served to goad Creed on).

But away from that, Creed originally had what were, in ways, good motives for starting the Apostles of the Stars. Chronos had grown too confident and weren't so much for the people anymore. He was offering these people he took in to help him create a world that wasn't under Chronos's rule. While the ways he went about it were certainly not the most justifiable of means (i.e. most everything involving the Tao and nanomachines) he still had, originally, a somewhat good intent in mind. There was simply no support from the people, however, because the only people who knew about Chronos were people who had a hand of some sort in it and what complaint could they possibly have?

As things often go, however, Creed changed from the beginning of his plans to the end. The power, the struggle, the fights with Train... A man who originally still had some of his sanity to hold on to kept going until it snapped. We see at the end of the series where Creed's mentality snaps completely (as before he had been able to control himself better in the final battle he goes all out to questionable extents, i.e. his inhuman body) and as he expects Train not to spare him and he is spared he's left picking up the fragments and piecing his life back together.

I personally do not see how any person (read: someone who isn't a raving fangirl who hates Creed simply because he tries to kill people and does bad things and is crazy and those types of things) [also, I say fangirl because it is so very rarely the fanboys who go rabid about these sorts of things; plus, I'm a girl, so I can be sexist against my own gender if I want to] wouldn't love Creed. He's such an interesting character. So far from your typical power-hungry, evil-just-to-be-evil, over-dramatizing, revenge-driven, violence-crazed, blood-lusting villains.

And he even has a good ending. It's not a "Yay I'm reformed ending" but it's not a "I'm going to go continue being 'evil'" ending, either. It's a "hey I have to recover and think about things" ending (or, at least, that's how I see it) and thus very open to how his future will go. Maybe he'll go along like Train and Saya did or maybe he'll just keep on trucking like he is.



Um, all my rambling aside, I reiterate: I adore Creed.

EDIT: Also, how can you not love his crazy faces? Creed's crazy faces are so. much. love.♥

Okay, don't let me forget to remind you.

I would be the one to explain him, wouldn't I? Villains need people standing up for them, too. <3 And Creed is one of my favorite all-time villains, right up there with Muraki and Raito.

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Oh Kyoko-chan you explained Creed even better than Charden-sama!
I guess I just don't understand Creed I haven't seent he whole series and I don't understand Creed because he is so complicated, I've only senn 14 eps of Black Cat anyways.

Also did you say Creed is still alive at the end of the series! They should of continued the series then. -_- There are way to many things that need to be cleared up about Black Cat.
1. A few of the Apostles of the Stars Past

Well thats all I can think of right now.

In the anime, things turn out pretty much the same as in the manga, generally. There are a few (unexplained! GAH.) complete personality turnarounds (read: Charden. XD That's all, really, BUT STILL), but as far as most of the gist of things, it turns out the same.

The anime was cut down from 52 to 23 episodes (There may be a 24th that explains the UNEXPLAINED FIGHT SCENE OMG but I haven't seen anything about it aside from a few rumours) and there's a random filler arc at the end, so it feels a bit incomplete. They tied up most of the loose ends, so :shrug:

Yabuki-sensei said that he'd love revisiting the characters at some point, but he's working on To-LOVE-Ru right now. Eve's in it, though, so that's a plus. And Kyoko-san, too.

Alas, however, I am not featured in it. :le sigh:

But, umn, yeah, the endings are generally the same. :nod: And Creed only gets crazier from there on out... XD

It wasn't that Saya took Train's attention away, she took the cold-blooded killer aspect of Train away forever. Creed was so amazed by the killer Train was, and Saya dumbed him down, made him a kind person, totally different from the one Creed adored.

He killed Saya for killing HIS Train.