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ShadowLadyRaven Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:37 pm
Ok, this is more of a personal kind of thing, but relevant nonetheless.
Some background info:
I have never thought being gay/lesbian and whatnot was a bad thing or that it was a sin or something. It's just another state of being. Even moreso now that I know I am bi.
So, the story is that one day in english, I pointed out when I was offended by what this guy I know said about Gays, basically saying that they were freaks of nature and should be shipped off to their own island. Obviously he gave a look that asked why so I told him I was bi. What pisses me off is what he did then.
Guy: "Wait, you're bi? So you would ******** a girl?"
Me: "Yeah."
Guy: *points to a girl near us* "So would you ******** her?"
The girl he pointed to was pretty and smart, but not the kind I'd hang out with much less date or sleep with. Told him that and added no. So then he starts asking me while pointing to the girls in the class and asking if I would sleep with them. And he was getting a kick as I got more and more annoyed. I was ready to beat the crap out of him because it felt like he was mocking me.
Opinions on that situation? Or of how gays situations are at the moment?
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:49 pm
I, personally, am not bi or gay. But I do believe, as you do, that it is just another state of mind. If you want to marry some chick from who knows where, be my guest. I don't see why it bothers people so much. They don't realize that a lot of men in the army are bi, and some are gay. There aren't many women right now out in the army, so who will give the guys pleasure? Well, they ******** other men!
If you're gay, be gay. If you're bi, be bi. if you're straight, be straight. For one, it doesn't affect me the way you sexually feel. It just doesn't! So your gay, that just means you either would like me, or you won't. Okay, so that doesn't greatly affect me. Your bi, you might like me, and again doesn't really affect me.
Second, the people who do complain about people's sexualities, they are either scared of you, are one of you and are trying to hide it, or they are just plain ignorant.
If it were me in your situation, Raven, I'd of told the guy to ******** off, and get a life. If he has the time to complain about gay's and bi's, he has too much time on his hands and needs a life.
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ShadowLadyRaven Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:52 pm
And yet it is technically against the law for me to marry another woman. Gay marriage isn't legal yet. Frickin bastards of a gov...Hehehe, exactly! Hit the nail on the head. Hmm...ok. I did basically tell him to shut up and get a life, but he's just stupid and will try to joke around by asking again if I'd ******** a chick that he either mentions or is pointing to. Thanks Blaze. ^_^
Why do people have to be so afraid of the things that are different? Of change? Geez it can be so pathetic sometimes. But, i better not start because if i do, someone will take it the wrong way.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:53 am
That is true, some people are afraid of change. But being bi or gay isn't change, it's just different. But then, everyone is different. You don't find red heads afraid of Brunettes. Or white folk afraid of asians!So how come so many people are afraid of different exuality opinions? It doesn't make ANY sense to me whatsoever.
But then you said you live in, wel, I don't know if you want anyone to know, but you live near Maryland. Just have a "road-trip" and get hitched during it. Heh, just an idea. Okay, it's a bad idea, but oh well.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:26 pm
If that had been me, I would have punched him in the face or choped him in the neck ((ask Ruler about the choping thing.)). I'm not gay or anything but I'm not a homophobe. I hate it when others point to people who are gay/bi/lesbian and mock in their face. If someone is gay/bi/lesbian no one should have the right to mock them just let them be how they want!!
So I am amazed you could keep your cool. I seriously would have punched that guy.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:38 pm
(Okay, this post kinda got a little long and wordy. For a summery of the post, just scroll down to the last line.)
People fear what they themselves cannot understand. For straight people, is must be difficult to think that anyone would ever be attracted to a member of the same sex. For gays, we are programmed from the beginning to see straight couplings as normal, which is why we are probably so tolerant of you "breeders." Also, you guys are really good at making more gay/lesbian/bi babies.
I work with gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered youth as they come to terms with their sexuality, which can be a very confusing time for some people. We have had kids who thought they were gay or bi or straight, but ended up deciding that they were something else. It shouldn't be for society, or even the group I work for to decide what these kids are, they need to figure that out for themselves.
Another reason people find it easy to discredit young teens coming out for the first time is because as a society, we keep pushing back the age of reason. Thousands of years ago, 13 was the age you started your career and family. Now it is the time you start getting ready for high school. For many kids suddenly realizing that they don't "fit the norm," they find it difficult to come to terms with the feelings they have, and thus never fully explore them in a health and responsible manner to determine why they feel like they do.
My religion teacher, senior year of high school, explained it as being a difference between sexuality and drive. People are simply created different, as in liking members of the opposite sex, and liking members of the same sex, and even liking members of both sexes. Likewise, some people are born with a normal sexual drive to find a partner, and have a family, while some are driving to be sexual maniacs, and still some to have no desire to reproduce or find a mate what-so-ever. Regardless, each person is deserving of both respect and love.
Don't hate people for being ignorant of how you feel, because no one can know how you feel, all they can ever hope to do is relate. Don't discredit people, because you think they don't know how they feel, because they do know how they feel, and that is important to understand.
Don't hate, because it prevents you from loving, and with love comes respect, and from respect we gain knowledge, and from knowledge we will eventually come to understand.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:43 pm
Okay, dude, I'm just a fifteen year-old, and you just sumed up everything I've always though. LIke I said before, I am a straight guy, but then should we call ourselves "straight", seeing as the term is being used as "normal"? Well, whatever it is, I do love girls, and so am "straight". I'm actually hoping someone who finds homosexuality wrong just so we get a debate up.
One question though, and please don't take offense, but, what is your sexuality Raindown?
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:22 pm
I'm gay. It kinds of surprises some people, just because they have this idea of what a gay person is supposed to be like, and even my parents really don't fully accept it, but there you have it.
Same team, different position.
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:57 pm
Nah, it doesn't surprise me, I was just curious. The way you used the words "you guys" to address "straight" people, and the way you used "we" to address people who I'm guessing are a part of some clinic you have, and other homosexuals. It just got me curious.
Hearing your parents do not fully accept it though, that is sad. You seem like any other person, intelligent, fun, I don't know how you'd describe a "usual" person. The only thing that sets you out from people like me is your sexuality. Well, I hope you grow on your parents eventually. It's a shame to see them reject you, even if it is still only partly.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:19 am
Hi. I'm pretty new to the guild, but I'm trying to get well known. And, here's two thoughts of mine. This is a really long post, so skip over it if you'd like.
1. People Can't Stand To Be Wrong.
Thanks to Media, Parents, and other thousands of influences, people form this shell around them and they view the world how 'It's Supposed To Be'. They form this 'Frame-Of-Mind', and then they aren't willing to change it. They can't stand to be wrong, because then they'd have to change themselves, and/or their 'Frame-Of-Mind'.
This Frame-Of-Mind can refer to anything, but are most likely used nowadays on people. Such examples are that (A) Boys should only like Girls, (B) Girls should only like Boys, (C) Bi's shouldn't exist, and I know none. They can't stand to break their Frame-Of-Mind, or their shell, but when they are wrong they'll do anything to fix it. Mainly, Pressure/Make Fun of People.
2. Just Roll With It.
I take things in moderation for the most part. If you're Gay, whatever. If you're Lesbian, whatever. Bi, cool. I may have a chance. But, whatever. Seriously.
Straight is just, honestly, a term used to describe a person's taste of sexes. Just like Lesbian, Bi, and Gay, are terms. And, honestly, their words. Stupid ones, albeit, but words all the same. They can't hurt. And, Sorry to say, if you are hurt by some idiot's words, your blame. Sorry.
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I'm only Fourteen, so I could be talking straight out of my a**.
On a Side Note: If a Guy goes preaching how 'Gays' are abominations, he probably will turn the other cheek if it's two girls. Same thing with Girls, but about Lesbians, and two guys.
Also, here's a few lines that I've found to work great on people like that.
"Did your Mommy beat you?" - To Either sex 'Preaching'.
"Now, see, people like you are the reason I'm Gay/Lesbian." - To the opposite Sex 'Preaching'.
"Sorry, I was busy listening to the little voice in my head screaming your an idiot. What did you say?" - To Either sex 'Preaching'.
"Grow up, Get a Life, and tell me when you want to talk again. We're done here." - To Either sex 'Preaching'.
"Awww... are you on your period?" - To Female 'Preaching'.
Also, if you're talking to someone of the same sex who's going off ranting about how 'wrong it is to be gay/bi/lesbian', kiss them on the forehead. Freaks them right the hell out.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:47 pm
Okay, I'm probably gonna' get verbally thrashed for this, but here it goes...
When I was younger, I was a huge gay hater, but I'm not so closed minded anymore. I'm still against the idea however. I can understand the whole sittuation, but I still don't agree with it. Why? I guess partly 'cause I'm religious, I believe it's a sin(I know that will offend most people, but that's not my intention). And also, by original terms -I belive that we were only supposed to love the opposite sex in that manner, not the same. I can see how some can see it as appealing, but I still think it's a wrong decision. And... I'm not one of the guys who say it's wrong for men to be gay, but then think lesbians are hot -I feel the same about both. I'm just stating my opinion, I'm not here to bash on homosexuals, I appologize if it seemed so.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:12 pm
Be aware: I didn not read any other posts after your own. xD
But, I have you know that the boy you were talking to was either 1, a total jerk as you said or 2, a sad boy who doesn't know how to handle serious situations well. He obviously made an a** out of himself and he probably didn't know how to correct himself without feeling like a dope, so he carried on.
Honestly, don't let it get to you so much. As long as you're comfortable in your own skin, everything's fine. However, it can be more than just a little annoying when you're being harassed by someone, which is completely different. I suggest you first talk to him seriously and ask him to stop his childish antics and if that doesn't work, get away from him. He doesn't sound like much of a good friend if he doesn't respect you after you've asked him to.
And if he still doesn't stop... file a sexual harassment report. xD
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:05 am
I know its been a long while since this was last posted on, but I want to state my two-sense and I hope that's okay.
In the bible, there is a passage about how a man should not lie with another man as if a woman. My take on that passage is that its not great for a guy who would be out working in the fields or in boats with no other women around to have sex with another guy simply because he wants to get off and the guy is conveniently there.
However if the man is genuinly attracted to the other, I see no problem with it.
For those that argue that it is wrong because its a sin against nature and animals don't do it.... animals do do it. One scientist, Petter Bockman was quoted as saying, "No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."
For those who worry that children raised by same-sex couples would become homosexual or ill-adjusted need to consider the question why would children of straight couples become homosexual or bi when their parents aren't? The same question applies switched. Why would children raised by homosexuals become straight when their parents aren't? Studies have also shown that children raised by homosexual couples can be just as well adjusted as a happy heterosexual family.
For those who argue that the word "marriage" should be kept sacred for the heterosexual couples only: the word marriage means to be joined. If you have a marriage of lemon juice, sugar, and water, you have a tasty beverage called lemonade.
Being homosexual or bi is not a choice, one cannot simply choose to be attracted to the opposite gender if they are not. It would be like a classical music only fan being told to enjoy rap. I'm not saying someone who likes classical music won't like rap, but there is a strong possibility they would get no enjoyment from it.
Finally, just because someone is homosexual or that doesn't mean they want to sleep with just anyone of the same gender. Its the same way a straight person may have female friends who are just that, friends, nothing more and wouldn't be interested in sleeping with that friend. There are also plenty of straight folk who wouldn't mind sleeping with anyone of the opposite gender they can get.
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