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 Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:18 pm
I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:36 pm
caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:14 pm
i dont think racing should be banned. but i'd like them to bann wipps.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:51 pm
Well the cruelty should be along with the crop.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:00 pm
I'm really against horse racing...
I was offered the chance to exercise race horses and work with them as a job but refused since I'd loose my temper over how they treat them. I'm against it.
I'll explain why, not just because of the cruelty... that makes me really sick. Their trained like, backwards from what we learn and teach our horses. Pressure on the mouth means go faster... this is an article I've read on many chat fourms and thought I'd share.
This is the key point I'd like to point out before I post the article. This is why I'm against horse racing, this section I posted is entirly true along with the cruetly of whips on the track and how the horses are treated.
Quote: Part of the cause is that we have bred athletic power into our racing breeds far exceeding what nature requires for the horse to survive in its natural environment. All wild horses need to do is outrun a big cat. We have selectively bred for speeds that the anatomy of the horse cannot always cope with. In addition, we train and race them long before they are mature.
By Robert M. Miller, DVM
The Nation was shocked when Barbaro broke down shortly after leaving the gate at the Preakness. I saw the repaired fractures in TIME magazine. What I think happened is that the sesamoid bone fractured, a common injury. As a result, the fetlock collapses causing the pastern bone to explode into multiple fragments, probably with the next stride or two.
The last time the general public was exposed to a racetrack tragedy like this was when the great filly, Ruffian, fractured; the injury eventually resulting in her death. The news media focuses on great champions like these, but what most people don't realize is that such injuries are relatively common occurrences in horse racing. Part of the cause is that we have bred athletic power into our racing breeds far exceeding what nature requires for the horse to survive in its natural environment. All wild horses need to do is outrun a big cat. We have selectively bred for speeds that the anatomy of the horse cannot always cope with. In addition, we train and race them long before they are mature.
The immature are often capable of spectacular athletic performance. Every time I watch an Olympics and I see gymnasts as young as 13, 14 or 15 years of age, I wince at the thought of the damage I know is occurring to some of their bodies. I started a year of gymnastics at 17 years of age, and I wasn't very good, but I still managed to do damage that manifested itself many years later. Fortunately, I was drafted into the Army at 18, which ended my gymnastic career.
Half a century ago, when I was cowboying, "colts" were started at four years of age or older. Once in a while, one might be started as a three-year-old. Despite some very hard work, barring accidents, those ranch horses were still sound and working into their 20's. I'm not opposed to racing. It's a great sport and has motivated mankind to produce truly great horse breeds. But I am opposed to any practices which contribute to premature crippling of otherwise healthy horses.
Some years ago, the annual convention of the American Association of Equine Practitioners (A.A.E.P.) was held in Dallas. The same week, the national cutting horse futurities were being held in nearby Fort Worth. Three colleagues from Sweden told me that they wanted to see the cutting horses.
So, one evening, after the day of scientific lectures had ended, I accompanied the three Swedish vets to Fort Worth. After watching several horses perform, the senior Swede, a professor from the vet school in Upsula, Sweden, said, "This is incredible! It must take many years to obtain such performance from a horse." "But," I answered, "this is a futurity." "I do not understand this word," he said. "These are colts," I explained. "These are just three-year-olds." He looked shocked, turned to his companions and explained to them in Swedish and then said to me in English, "I have only two comments: One, it must take great skill to be able to train a horse to
do this in so brief a time. And, two, what is happening to their poor legs?"
Today, we have all sorts of futurities - reining, cutting, barrel racing, etc. I have tried many times to get owners to postpone arduous training to give the colt a chance to mature. Most of the time, I was ignored. The lure of winning something or making some money was too great to resist. My strategy when the owner insisted on going ahead with training and/or competition that I felt was premature was to say, "That's okay. You go ahead. What you are doing is very good for my business."
Why is it that the protests against over-using young horses come primarily from the people who profit from such abuse – the veterinarians? Is it because we best understand the trauma being inflicted upon immature skeletons, joints, ligaments and tendons? Just as I am not opposed to racing, if properly conducted, I am not opposed to horse shows or competitive equine events. Horse shows, like all livestock shows, were conceived of long ago to "improve the breed". They were designed to demonstrate and reward the people who were doing the best job of breeding, of selecting bloodstock, and of creating superior bloodlines. Unfortunately, human nature, vanity and greed have corrupted the horse show industry.
We see grotesque caricatures of the original character of each breed. Stock horses, the working ranch breeds, are shown in Western Pleasure classes traveling in a manner that would drive a working cowboy crazy. With lowered heads, going in a downhill manner, these horses greatly magnify the forces placed upon the forelimbs. Once again, good for us vets. It produces income, but the horses suffer. The wonderful Tennessee Walking Horse is shod and shown in distorted gaits that can only be called "grotesque".
If it weren't for the frequent veterinary checks, which are mandatory, can you imagine how many endurance racing horses would die because of their riders' consuming desire to win? I remember the early endurance races. Saddlebred, with surgically distorted tails, and gingered anuses, are exhibited with the pupils of their eyes dilated with atropine. How many
people who sincerely consider themselves to be "horse lovers" wean foals at three months of age, or even earlier, which nature never intended?
How many horses, a gregarious species, spend their lives locked in box stalls? How many horses in the U.S.A, like so much of our human population, are damaged healthwise by excessive nutrition?
Such abuses exist in ever breed, every discipline, in every equine sport. We need to step back and analyze what we are doing. One of my clients was a prosperous, educated couple. They were very congenial, and they owned three Quarter Horses. One day, they called me to come to their home to worm their horses and check them over and booster their vaccinations. When I arrived, I found only two horses, so I asked where the third one was.
"Oh, he's in training as a reining horse, with ____________ " (a successful and notoriously brutal trainer who also happened to be one of my clients). I said, "Oh, I see." Then the wife said, "We know how cruel he is to the horses, but he wins!" I never felt the same toward those people, again. This same trainer (he's been dead for many years) once said to me, "Doc, why can't you guys cut the tails on my horses? Why do you make me drive 300 miles round trip to get my tails done?" He was referring to the illicit surgical paralyzing of the tail, common in reining horses so they can't switch their tails. ALL of the horses in his barn had their tails cut. I said, "Were you ever beaten in a show by a horse that you knew had its tail cut?" "Oh sure," he said. "Lots of times." "Well," I told him, "I didn't cut the tail nor did my partners. We won't do anything against the association rules." This same guy, a world-class competitor, kept every horse in his barn on Serpecil, a tranquilizer not approved by FDA for use in horses. I have no idea where he got the drug, but somebody was selling it to him.
I believe that a conspiracy exists in the horse show industry. The trainers are judges, and the judges are trainers. Too often, they scratch each others' backs. If Western Pleasure horses were shown as they were 50 or 60 years ago, a good amateur could turn out a champion. But it takes a real pro to produce the freaks seen in today's Western Pleasure classes. And, after the horse goes back to the owner from the trainer and is no longer winning, it has to go back to the trainer for a "tune-up".
A few days before I wrote this article, I got back from Bishop Mule Days, a unique event I attend every year that has no equal anywhere in the world. I had the pleasure of seeing Western Pleasure mules that WERE NOT "peanut rollers". The trend began some years ago, but the mule people balked at it and ruled it out. GOOD FOR THEM! You see, to be a mule lover, you REALLY gotta love horses!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:04 pm
Cherry Milkshake caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:11 pm
So am I and wow long quote but dang!!! i read the whole thing, that was long.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:23 pm
x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane. It could be and I'm against that nasty treatment the poor horses have to suffer and true but there's more to life besides a horse being food for dogs and tigers, thats sad and horses are used for other things besides work and I can't stand those poor horses being treated like that at the slaughter house, If I was a millonare I would save the horses and keep some and give the others a good home.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:36 pm
Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane. It could be and I'm against that nasty treatment the poor horses have to suffer and true but there's more to life besides a horse being food for dogs and tigers, thats sad and horses are used for other things besides work and I can't stand those poor horses being treated like that at the slaughter house, If I was a millonare I would save the horses and keep some and give the others a good home.
A lot of horses in Equine rescue centers are there because of idiot people. A lot of them I see have back problems from poorly fitted saddles or being started so young without time to mature, I also see horses with leg problems like bone chips, arthritis, unerweight, feet problems etc.
which a lot of them are only good for light pleasure riding, companions and the odd time breeding. I hardly see a lot of people buy rescue horses around my area, their all big hunter/jumpers and dressage riders who need perfect horses.
I hate seeing abandoned horses without a home and the rescue places can only hold so many horses. I know theres more to life then a horse being food... I hate to see it happen, but... I also know if they weren't, what would happen to them? No one wanted them in the first plac except the meat man so would they be homeless and starving? which would break my heart more.
I leased a horse off a lady for a while whorescued a 2yr old TB mare, she had bad eye infections that were untreated for a long period of time and in theend was nearly blind in both eyes. She can see things but not very well... well, she moves nice, has no poblems other then that, would be a good breeding prospect for foals to excelle in dressage becuase of the way she moves. This mare is a companion for her other horse. Their now both 7 and her other is 20. She may be unable to keep them... this mare would definatly end up in slauhter because no one will take her, no stable will even board her because she's "Dangerous" (Accutally a sweet sweet mare if your quiet and approach by talking to her, slowly and as unthreatening as possible) if she needs to be sold I'm buying her... or oging to try to lol.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:12 pm
x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane. It could be and I'm against that nasty treatment the poor horses have to suffer and true but there's more to life besides a horse being food for dogs and tigers, thats sad and horses are used for other things besides work and I can't stand those poor horses being treated like that at the slaughter house, If I was a millonare I would save the horses and keep some and give the others a good home.
A lot of horses in Equine rescue centers are there because of idiot people. A lot of them I see have back problems from poorly fitted saddles or being started so young without time to mature, I also see horses with leg problems like bone chips, arthritis, unerweight, feet problems etc.
which a lot of them are only good for light pleasure riding, companions and the odd time breeding. I hardly see a lot of people buy rescue horses around my area, their all big hunter/jumpers and dressage riders who need perfect horses.
I hate seeing abandoned horses without a home and the rescue places can only hold so many horses. I know theres more to life then a horse being food... I hate to see it happen, but... I also know if they weren't, what would happen to them? No one wanted them in the first plac except the meat man so would they be homeless and starving? which would break my heart more.
I leased a horse off a lady for a while whorescued a 2yr old TB mare, she had bad eye infections that were untreated for a long period of time and in theend was nearly blind in both eyes. She can see things but not very well... well, she moves nice, has no poblems other then that, would be a good breeding prospect for foals to excelle in dressage becuase of the way she moves. This mare is a companion for her other horse. Their now both 7 and her other is 20. She may be unable to keep them... this mare would definatly end up in slauhter because no one will take her, no stable will even board her because she's "Dangerous" (Accutally a sweet sweet mare if your quiet and approach by talking to her, slowly and as unthreatening as possible) if she needs to be sold I'm buying her... or oging to try to lol. Same here, that would break my heart too even more and dang! stupid people these days in your area, they care about nothing except perfect horses insytead of the horses that need good homes and good care, btw I would hate to see a horse being food and people should buy horses these days instead of acting like they don't exist which sickens me a lot, awwwww how pretty a TB Mare and poor horse, wow I bet her foals are beautiful and dangerous? thats stupid and just like you said, she's a sweet mare if you approach her softly and people should buy her but no, they pry want a horse that isn't blind and you should get her.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:29 pm
Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake caitlester I think that horse racing should be banned because it sticks so much stress on the horse they are grand horse once they win but if they lose to many times they become a nobody plus the horses are whipped and sometimes even abuse so they are what the trainers want Hello Welcome to my Guild and enjoy!^^ I agree with you but I doubt the racetracks won't stop the racing and those poor horses, most of their owners care about nothing but the money and the saddest part when the owner's horse loses the race, they'll be made into dogfood and I hate that a lot, horse meat should be illegal.
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane. It could be and I'm against that nasty treatment the poor horses have to suffer and true but there's more to life besides a horse being food for dogs and tigers, thats sad and horses are used for other things besides work and I can't stand those poor horses being treated like that at the slaughter house, If I was a millonare I would save the horses and keep some and give the others a good home.
A lot of horses in Equine rescue centers are there because of idiot people. A lot of them I see have back problems from poorly fitted saddles or being started so young without time to mature, I also see horses with leg problems like bone chips, arthritis, unerweight, feet problems etc.
which a lot of them are only good for light pleasure riding, companions and the odd time breeding. I hardly see a lot of people buy rescue horses around my area, their all big hunter/jumpers and dressage riders who need perfect horses.
I hate seeing abandoned horses without a home and the rescue places can only hold so many horses. I know theres more to life then a horse being food... I hate to see it happen, but... I also know if they weren't, what would happen to them? No one wanted them in the first plac except the meat man so would they be homeless and starving? which would break my heart more.
I leased a horse off a lady for a while whorescued a 2yr old TB mare, she had bad eye infections that were untreated for a long period of time and in theend was nearly blind in both eyes. She can see things but not very well... well, she moves nice, has no poblems other then that, would be a good breeding prospect for foals to excelle in dressage becuase of the way she moves. This mare is a companion for her other horse. Their now both 7 and her other is 20. She may be unable to keep them... this mare would definatly end up in slauhter because no one will take her, no stable will even board her because she's "Dangerous" (Accutally a sweet sweet mare if your quiet and approach by talking to her, slowly and as unthreatening as possible) if she needs to be sold I'm buying her... or oging to try to lol. Same here, that would break my heart too even more and dang! stupid people these days in your area, they care about nothing except perfect horses insytead of the horses that need good homes and good care, btw I would hate to see a horse being food and people should buy horses these days instead of acting like they don't exist which sickens me a lot, awwwww how pretty a TB Mare and poor horse, wow I bet her foals are beautiful and dangerous? thats stupid and just like you said, she's a sweet mare if you approach her softly and people should buy her but no, they pry want a horse that isn't blind and you should get her.
If she has to get put up for sale I'd definatly take her in or... try to. If I can find a boarding stable that'd take her in on pasture board :/
People are like that around here too, they want their perfect show horses.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:29 pm
x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x Cherry Milkshake x_Devils_Child_x
I don't know if thats true since I refuse to go near a race track (Though theres once for cart racing and standardbreds here in town...) Barbaro's owners wanted to save him, it wasn't about money for them. They didn't care if he could breed or not as long as he was able to live a nice life on their farm. Sadly they put him down because of other problems...
However I'm not against slaughter and stuff either, because if you think about it. There are horses right now being abused, mistreated and starved. Equine rescues here are full and no one is adopting because no one wants them either because they are no good for work etc.
Without slaughter, there would be hundreds and thousands more starving horses without homes. I kind of think their better off going to slaughter then living a sad life without love, care and food.
The only thing I'm against with slaughter is how their treated in the slaughter house, it could be a lot more humane. It could be and I'm against that nasty treatment the poor horses have to suffer and true but there's more to life besides a horse being food for dogs and tigers, thats sad and horses are used for other things besides work and I can't stand those poor horses being treated like that at the slaughter house, If I was a millonare I would save the horses and keep some and give the others a good home.
A lot of horses in Equine rescue centers are there because of idiot people. A lot of them I see have back problems from poorly fitted saddles or being started so young without time to mature, I also see horses with leg problems like bone chips, arthritis, unerweight, feet problems etc.
which a lot of them are only good for light pleasure riding, companions and the odd time breeding. I hardly see a lot of people buy rescue horses around my area, their all big hunter/jumpers and dressage riders who need perfect horses.
I hate seeing abandoned horses without a home and the rescue places can only hold so many horses. I know theres more to life then a horse being food... I hate to see it happen, but... I also know if they weren't, what would happen to them? No one wanted them in the first plac except the meat man so would they be homeless and starving? which would break my heart more.
I leased a horse off a lady for a while whorescued a 2yr old TB mare, she had bad eye infections that were untreated for a long period of time and in theend was nearly blind in both eyes. She can see things but not very well... well, she moves nice, has no poblems other then that, would be a good breeding prospect for foals to excelle in dressage becuase of the way she moves. This mare is a companion for her other horse. Their now both 7 and her other is 20. She may be unable to keep them... this mare would definatly end up in slauhter because no one will take her, no stable will even board her because she's "Dangerous" (Accutally a sweet sweet mare if your quiet and approach by talking to her, slowly and as unthreatening as possible) if she needs to be sold I'm buying her... or oging to try to lol. Same here, that would break my heart too even more and dang! stupid people these days in your area, they care about nothing except perfect horses insytead of the horses that need good homes and good care, btw I would hate to see a horse being food and people should buy horses these days instead of acting like they don't exist which sickens me a lot, awwwww how pretty a TB Mare and poor horse, wow I bet her foals are beautiful and dangerous? thats stupid and just like you said, she's a sweet mare if you approach her softly and people should buy her but no, they pry want a horse that isn't blind and you should get her.
If she has to get put up for sale I'd definatly take her in or... try to. If I can find a boarding stable that'd take her in on pasture board :/
People are like that around here too, they want their perfect show horses. Good and I hope you get her soon, stupid people these days, horses are companions, not a machine.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:13 pm
there is a horse at my stables named Benson. He is completely blind in one eye. he's an awesome jumper, but a little insane in the cross ties, but a really cool horse. I don't think any other riding school would take him if my barn decided to sell him, which they won't... 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:28 pm
Pianoangel1 there is a horse at my stables named Benson. He is completely blind in one eye. he's an awesome jumper, but a little insane in the cross ties, but a really cool horse. I don't think any other riding school would take him if my barn decided to sell him, which they won't... 3nodding Cute name and I wish I saw him in person and poor horse, blind in one eye? not cool and awwwwww I'm so glad he's a good horse, really? why won't the other riding school take him?
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:53 am
wer're not selling him, trust me, he's been at my stable forever! but if we did, i don't think another stable would take him as a lesson horse because of his blindness.
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