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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:04 pm
Jackassery. http://www.gaiaonline.com/gaia/redirect.php?r=http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-planb.artjan23,0,5134102.story?coll=hc-headlines-editorialsI'm not sure if that leads to the article or the conflicting in the PCG but it makes me sick to my stomach. Halfway through it mentions that a large perpetrator of the hospitals not giving out Plan B are Catholic. Wait so: It's perfectly cool if each religion keeps to themselves but when the Catholic Church asks their hospitals to not administer Plan B, they get into a tizy? Flipping outrageous. What a large bunch of hypocrties. Article: Quote: Up to 8 percent of sexually assaulted women in the United States become pregnant with the assailant's child. Some undoubtedly do so because hospitals fail to help them in time. The consequences can be devastating. Rape counselors have documented widespread negligence in Connecticut hospitals when it comes to making emergency contraception available to victims of sexual assault. Connecticut Sexual Assault Crisis Services counselors who accompanied rape victims to hospitals in the first half of 2006 say that 40 percent of them were offered too little or none of the so-called Plan B drug. ADVERTISEMENT SPONSORED LINKS Some 500 rape victims go to Connecticut hospitals for emergency treatment every year. If the rape counselors are right, that means 200 women and girls are receiving insufficient protection. Sixteen of those women are statistically at risk of becoming pregnant and could, if they don't act fast, undergo surgical abortions later. Catholic hospitals balk at providing emergency contraception because the church believes it destroys the life begun when a woman's egg is fertilized by sperm. But scientists say Plan B may prevent fertilization. The drug also work by stopping the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says pregnancy begins at the point of implantation. So do federal regulations, which state that "pregnancy encompasses the period of time from implantation until delivery." Because of this, several states, including Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York, require all hospitals to dispense Plan B. As lawmakers, scientists and theologians argue over when life begins, hundreds of sexually assaulted girls and women in Connecticut are given little or no say in a matter that is far from an abstract parsing of medical terms for them. Doctors and pharmacists should not be forced to act against their consciences. But an injured woman must get the safe and legal care she needs as quickly as possible, to avoid even more harm. She shouldn't have to hospital-shop desperately for contraceptives in the dead of night when pharmacies are closed and the odds of stopping pregnancy decrease with every passing hour. There must be someone inside every hospital, whether secular or religious, who will offer, immediately, the compassionate help a distraught and wounded woman needs.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:10 pm
The article's not loading properly for me. Could you copy and paste it please?
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:55 pm
Well, it just fits in with their entire attitude, which is, "Everyone should have the right to choose, as long as that choice is the one I would make."
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:31 am
Quote: Catholic hospitals balk at providing emergency contraception because the church believes it destroys the life begun when a woman's egg is fertilized by sperm. But scientists say Plan B may prevent fertilization. The drug also work by stopping the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. No. It's not that Plan B may prevent fertilization, Plan B DOES prevent fertilization. No egg to be fertilized. No fertilized egg to prevent from implanting. Nothing dies except sperm. This just makes me so furious. How many times do I have to scream and yell YOU CANNOT STOP A WOMAN FROM ABORTING A PREGNANCY BUT YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO STOP HER FROM GETTING PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU JUST GIVE HER THE ******** EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION. Plan B = fewer abortions. Why, why, WHY is this a bad thing?? stressed
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:07 am
La Veuve Zin Quote: Catholic hospitals balk at providing emergency contraception because the church believes it destroys the life begun when a woman's egg is fertilized by sperm. But scientists say Plan B may prevent fertilization. The drug also work by stopping the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. No. It's not that Plan B may prevent fertilization, Plan B DOES prevent fertilization. No egg to be fertilized. No fertilized egg to prevent from implanting. Nothing dies except sperm. This just makes me so furious. How many times do I have to scream and yell YOU CANNOT STOP A WOMAN FROM ABORTING A PREGNANCY BUT YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO STOP HER FROM GETTING PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU JUST GIVE HER THE ******** EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION. Plan B = fewer abortions. Why, why, WHY is this a bad thing?? stressed The extremes of the two sides tend to have an "all-or-nothing" attitude. When it comes to the pro-choice side saying that the pro-life tends to be irrational, zealotry-driven, anti-sex crusading numbskulls, instances similar to this are the ones they will cite, and it honestly does make us look kind of bad, on the whole. But, I simply say that the Catholics have a right to feel the way they do about contraception. I don't understand it in the least given their position on abortion, because it utterly defies logic, but they have the right to treat circumstances as they will. Just stop taking rape victims to Catholic hospitals, and, as one of the comments said, create a law stating that paramedics and such carry Plan B, specifically for rape victims.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:28 am
I can understand it, but I dont ardently agree with it. The catholics (the devote ones) feel that most contraceptives are wrong because they play God. If a child is to be concived, it is in Gods plan for it to happen, and it's not our place to try and stop it.
Now, I dont know a whole lot on the pill, but I have heard medical studies state it softens the utrain lining, which would most likely cause a miss carriage if a child was conceived.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:23 pm
La Veuve Zin Quote: Catholic hospitals balk at providing emergency contraception because the church believes it destroys the life begun when a woman's egg is fertilized by sperm. But scientists say Plan B may prevent fertilization. The drug also work by stopping the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. No. It's not that Plan B may prevent fertilization, Plan B DOES prevent fertilization. No egg to be fertilized. No fertilized egg to prevent from implanting. Nothing dies except sperm. This just makes me so furious. How many times do I have to scream and yell YOU CANNOT STOP A WOMAN FROM ABORTING A PREGNANCY BUT YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO STOP HER FROM GETTING PREGNANT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU JUST GIVE HER THE ******** EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION. Plan B = fewer abortions. Why, why, WHY is this a bad thing?? stressed Yeah, as Pyro and Xalisae said, A) It's more about a religion's right to do as it will than about whether Plan B is acceptable to Pro-Lifers in general or not and B) Yes, most of the time it just prevents fertilization, but there is enough of a chance for it to prevent an already fertilized egg from implanting for some of us to not support it. It's not a bad thing for there to be fewer abortions. It is a bad thing for it to cause abortions. And the Catholic Church has every right, under separation of Church and State, to do as it believes is morally right, and not do as it believes is morally wrong.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:20 pm
catholics are agains birth control, condoms, all that.
therefore, at a catholic hospital, there wouldn't be such things, i'd assume.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:33 pm
Catholic-run hospitals. . . . ?
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:37 pm
Scribblemouse Catholic-run hospitals. . . . ? Yes. Usually, when you hear of a hospital named "St. John's", "St. Mary's", etc., that's because it's a religiously affiliated hospital, in that case, usually Catholic. You also get a lot of "First Baptist" places down South in the Bible Belt. These are institutions of healing which are run by religious organizations. (on a totally unrelated and off-topic note, nice hairdo, Scribble. I had that one myself in purple awhile back, before I was able to afford the one I have now.)
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:46 pm
Scribblemouse Catholic-run hospitals. . . . ? HOMGWTFBBQSAUCE! Scared me with those wide eyes and heairdo Scribble. *grasps at chest*
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:43 pm
I.Am And the Catholic Church has every right, under separation of Church and State, to do as it believes is morally right, and not do as it believes is morally wrong. Oddly, many Catholic hospitals DO dispense contraception (usually a woman who's on it when she's admitted is just allowed to continue taking her own). Religious beliefs don't completely dictate how a hospital is run. And it is their right to prohibit things based on religious beliefs. But if you disagree, and they're the only hospital in town, well, that sucks, but some people live without running water and they deal with it too.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:53 pm
La Veuve Zin I.Am And the Catholic Church has every right, under separation of Church and State, to do as it believes is morally right, and not do as it believes is morally wrong. Oddly, many Catholic hospitals DO dispense contraception (usually a woman who's on it when she's admitted is just allowed to continue taking her own). Religious beliefs don't completely dictate how a hospital is run. And it is their right to prohibit things based on religious beliefs. But if you disagree, and they're the only hospital in town, well, that sucks, but some people live without running water and they deal with it too. Being from the miniscule town in rural Arkansas that I am, I guess I just kind of grew up used to this idea. St. Anthony's is in Moriltton, which is 30 minutes away, and the closest hospital from the town in which I lived. That didn't really matter. We always went to Conway Regional Medical Center in Conway, Arkansas, which was about an hour away, because the care you recieved there was always far superior to anything you'd get at St. Anthony's. I guess the idea of having to go the extra mile for suitable medical care doesn't really seem so terrible to me, because I've always seen it as an easy to deal with problem.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:58 pm
But dont let Xal's post mae you think catholic hospitals have substandard care. St Mary's here in Reno is a very good hostpital and offers billing programs to those with money troubles.
I burnt the skin off the top of my foot once with scolding hot water, My mother took me to the St, Mary's ER because they give fast immidiet care and almost always have more then anough people and doctors on staff.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:01 pm
Not only that, but I love how open minded thei paster and the rest of their church staff was. One came to witness to me while I was in the witing room. I told the guy I want ready and just didn't yet feel comfertable with the riligious idea. He just siled and handed me the bible he used and told me when I felt ready to read through the new testament.
I took it back ot the correctional facility with me, I had planned to read it there since i had nothing else to read, but they confoscated it. Said it was volitile material. It was understandable, they wouln't even let us where team logos or desighner label clothes. A few of the other kids there were in gangs and they were afriad the site of a Bible would cause trouble.
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