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Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:24 pm


So I'm talking to Kitty today, and she mentions that both she and her dad listen to electronic music, but have a hard time recommending stuff to each other because 1: they listen mostly to different things, and 2: electronic music is hard to describe.

Unlike most non-electronic music, which tends to focus on melody and harmony and rhythm to some extent, a lot of electronic music is fundamentally tied to tone color, i.e. what kind of waves, what kind of filters, what kind of effects are used. But usually it's hard to determine that kind of stuff when one is just listening to a piece, because of the huge variety of stuff that can be controlled; you can't tweak a guitar without a distorter, but you can make a saw wave sound like a hoover, or acid, or a guitar, or a violin, or a booooooop, and so on and so forth.
The layering is also hugely important, and is also hard to describe in a way that is understandable. Similarly, structure is plays a large role, and while most non-electronic music, especially stuff with lyrics, is limited to the verse-chorus-etc. structure, electronic music is not (usually).

So, how does one go about describing electronic music? I mean, it is possible to describe genres and subgenres to a certain extent, but individual pieces? Especially since the "hum a few bars" thing doesn't work quite as well.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:30 am


I may be one of the least qualified people in this guild to answer your question, but this is how I go about describing what kinds of electronic music that I listen to. I start with a broad generalization of what kind of music it is, Rock, Pop, Jazz, Dance, etc. From there I start to specifiy the genre or style of music that I'm explaining. Take rock music for example, most of electronic rock music is either progressive or ambient. In jazz it is usually new age or fusion. Its when you get into pop and dance music that the genres really start to blend together. So what I usally do at this point is explain my reasons for listening to a specific style of music. Dance music is usually pretty self-explanatory while other styles of electronic music can usually be catagorized by what a person is doing while they are listening to it. Chill and Down Tempo is usually music that people listen to when they are relaxing or winding down. I realize that this is probably a very simplistic way of describing electronic music to people, but I have found that most people can't tell the difference between techno and house, let alone any other specific genre of electronica, so I usually don't try to explain a specific genre to someone unless I'm sure that they will be able to understand what it is that they are listening to. heart ninja pirate

Randolyn
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flaifire

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:36 pm


I've gotten pretty good at trying to describe what I listen to, because most people just say "techno" and then I shake my head sadly.
The electronic genres I mostly listen to:

Industrial - harsh, the sounds are destinct, but vocals are rougher. There is usually a higher pitched melody line, the backing bass-like line, a clanking or metallic sound to a beat line.

EBM - dancier, definitely, but also with at least three different synthed sounds. A repeating melody, maybe keyboard, a high pitched long and slow line, the regular beat throughout. Some use a fourth melody, pausing the heavy beat at the end of a chorus or for a softer verse.

Synthpop - like EBM, but softer, the next step away from industrial. Softly distorted vocals, lighter and higher pitched melody, the long high sounds from EBM are made a bit lower, but are still played throughout. A regular beat, softer than an EBM one, and intersperced with another synth line.


Does that make any sense? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:06 pm


The only condition (that I know of) of Electronic music is it has to be made electronically.

SCHIZOPHRENIC TENDENCIES


djmali88

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:29 am


Quote:
you can't tweak a guitar without a distorter, but you can make a saw wave sound like a hoover, or acid, or a guitar, or a violin, or a booooooop, and so on and so forth.


sorry Layra, here you are wrong. there are many ways to tweak a guitar. the thickness of the strings, the position, the tension, the depth, length and width of the box, the position of the hole(s) on the guitar, just to name a few ways. and then if you throw an amp in the mix, you ahve an infinate amount of equalizers and effects, then you can throw in pedals and pedal boards too.

just to add, no electronic plugin or synthersizer can ever hope to come close to emulating the sound of a real acoustic instrument. sorry, but it won't be done anytime soon.

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The layering is also hugely important, and is also hard to describe in a way that is understandable. Similarly, structure is plays a large role, and while most non-electronic music, especially stuff with lyrics, is limited to the verse-chorus-etc. structure, electronic music is not (usually).


i don't know what kind of non-electronic music you listen to, but some of the metal i listen to has no structure. i've heard songs (yes, with lyrics) in all sorts of classical forms, from symphony, menuet, rondo, and god-knows what else. you've made a harsh, and (sorry) stupid generalisation here. you can't say that electronic music is any less limited than acoustic music. they're just as limited or unlimited as each other. to think otherwise only proves that your train of thought is limited.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:56 pm


djmali88
Quote:
you can't tweak a guitar without a distorter, but you can make a saw wave sound like a hoover, or acid, or a guitar, or a violin, or a booooooop, and so on and so forth.


sorry Layra, here you are wrong. there are many ways to tweak a guitar. the thickness of the strings, the position, the tension, the depth, length and width of the box, the position of the hole(s) on the guitar, just to name a few ways. and then if you throw an amp in the mix, you ahve an infinate amount of equalizers and effects, then you can throw in pedals and pedal boards too.


Oh, I meant during play. I mean, you can design a guitar, but you can't change the thickness of the box of a guitar without making a new guitar, so you can't get, say, LFO effects.

Quote:

just to add, no electronic plugin or synthersizer can ever hope to come close to emulating the sound of a real acoustic instrument. sorry, but it won't be done anytime soon.


Sure, contemporary synths suck at emulating acoustic instruments, but it can be done; I've decomposed a piano into sine waves, and it isn't too hard to build those sine waves back into a piano; it just takes a shitload of memory.

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The layering is also hugely important, and is also hard to describe in a way that is understandable. Similarly, structure is plays a large role, and while most non-electronic music, especially stuff with lyrics, is limited to the verse-chorus-etc. structure, electronic music is not (usually).


i don't know what kind of non-electronic music you listen to, but some of the metal i listen to has no structure. i've heard songs (yes, with lyrics) in all sorts of classical forms, from symphony, menuet, rondo, and god-knows what else. you've made a harsh, and (sorry) stupid generalisation here. you can't say that electronic music is any less limited than acoustic music. they're just as limited or unlimited as each other. to think otherwise only proves that your train of thought is limited.

I know, I know, I'm sorry. I was thinking mainly of non-experimental formula music, 'cause that's the stuff I know; I've heard experimental metal but I have no idea how widespread it is (actually, if it's unstructured, then that's not what I mean at all). I don't listen to much acoustic.
Of course it's possible to make every electronic structure accoustically, and vice versa; I'm just not aware of much acoustic music that bases itself on its structure rather than melody or theme.

Layra-chan
Crew


White Linen
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:45 pm


bloop bloop bee bloops
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:45 am


Layra-chan
Oh, I meant during play. I mean, you can design a guitar, but you can't change the thickness of the box of a guitar without making a new guitar, so you can't get, say, LFO effects.


PEDALS my dear, PEDALS. and amp settings

Layra-chan
Sure, contemporary synths suck at emulating acoustic instruments, but it can be done; I've decomposed a piano into sine waves, and it isn't too hard to build those sine waves back into a piano; it just takes a shitload of memory.


if you can construct a synthesizer that can emulate the sound of a piano to the tiniest detail, then i'll bow down to you. it's all about timbre

Layra-chan
I know, I know, I'm sorry. I was thinking mainly of non-experimental formula music, 'cause that's the stuff I know; I've heard experimental metal but I have no idea how widespread it is (actually, if it's unstructured, then that's not what I mean at all). I don't listen to much acoustic.
Of course it's possible to make every electronic structure accoustically, and vice versa; I'm just not aware of much acoustic music that bases itself on its structure rather than melody or theme.


okay, listen to Ghost Love Score, by Nightwish
Blackwater Park, by Opeth
Hell's Kitchen, by Dream Theater
Our Diabolikal Rapture, by H.I.M.

i cannot think of anymore right now. still, those are a few songs that demonstrate strange form

djmali88


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:59 am


Well, making a synth sound like something actually isn't that difficult; you just record the waves of each note of a piano and then decompile them.
The problem is that such a method would take up shitloads of memory, because it's completely lossless wav. files, so nobody does this; they instead attempt to cheat by approximating the sounds of pianos, but of course this doesn't work nearly as well.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:04 am


Steinberg's "The Grand 2" does a nice job.

Sinusoid


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:15 am


It also probably eats up a lot of memory. The fact that it has built-in RAMsave indicates that the sample library is probably fairly big.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:34 pm


White Linen
bloop bloop bee bloops


+

BOOM BOOM BOOM tchtt tchtt BOOM BOOM BOOM

TGR_TheWalleh


Sinusoid

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:21 pm


I found a description for techno that I think is pretty accurate. (Maybe not the fourth sample... I'd say that's tech house)

Quote:
A sample of techno

oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz beep oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz beep ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooontz bep bep beeeep ontz ontz ontzz

A sample of Neo techno

zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont zoont beep beep beep beep beep beep zoont zoont zoont zoont

Another sample

oontz oontz oontz buff bam bam bam bam oontz oontz oontz ooooooontz bang buff baff oooooooooooooooooooooooontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz oontz beeeep baaaaaaang oontz oontz oontz oontz beep BOOOOOM

Another sample of techno

ALALALA OOnt oont oont boont boont "im a male but i sound female thank you computer god" oont boont lalala BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ tumb tumb tumb Onnnnt zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz beep boob boop boob Shizzzzleelele zam!!

Minimal Techno Sample

ClIcK ClIcK bum bum bum bum bum CLICK bum c** bum TSSSSSSSSS c** (lol, i said c**)bum bum bum CLICK CLACK CLICK, bum bum bum TSSSSSSSSSSS bum VWOOOOOOOMP bum bum bum KASH KISH KOSH KRSHSHSHSHS bum
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:04 pm


Psy trance:
chikaBOM chikaBOM chikaBOM WOOOOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNZZZZZZZZZZZ..... repeat.

White Linen
Crew

Dangerous Conversationalist


djmali88

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:07 am


drum&bass:
boom chika boof chika chika bum boof chika boom chika boof chika chika bum boof chika

happy hardcore:
umtza umtza umtza umtza + [cheesy lovesong lyrics]

terrorcore
ZRKZKRKZRKZKRKZKRKZKRZKRKZKRKZK
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