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Marukar

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:25 pm


Ok so I have been wanting to shape shift for awhile now, so I decided I'm going to start training.

Do any of you know of how to shape shift?

Also discuss if it is possible or not. I have heard mixed ideas of that matter.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:41 pm


Alright heres the cold hard truth. Shifting is only possible in the sence of altering the way that your energy aura manifests. It is possible for you to change your aura as you see fit. Changing your body is, going to reguire alot of energy like more than you could call without burning out or a tone of money. Money for a medical procedure.

Glacies Vir


Ten Words

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:02 pm


Under the human limits of physical body and spiritual strength, shape shifting is impossible. I am not sure just how close the black arts (and yes, magic still does exist or I wouldn't mention it. Its just evil and demonic, thats all) can put you to that goal, but...
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:55 pm


Wait... you said that as though all magic was evil. Magic is what you make of it, largely. That's like saying that a brick is inherently evil because you can bash someone's head in with it. You can also build buildings with it.

Though I suppose it also depends on what you call magic. ::shrug::

Anyway, no, physical shapeshifting isn't really regarded as possible. Some VERY few and very powerful Shamans were said to be able to shapeshift, but they're not reports that have been confirmed. Still, I could see someone who devoted their life to spirituality and magic potentially being able to pull it off... But that would not be a matter of simple daily "training" or anything like that. It'd be a life's work and accomplishment... Something you could manage if you spent your entire life with and on that one path.

So... Though you can manage the non-physical shifts with practice and daily training, I think we all missed out on the physical sort. : P

R-e-d _ C a r e s s

Shirtless Shapeshifter


Ten Words

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:34 am


Well, my consideration magic largely comes through my study of Wicca (please note that I study it scholarly- I do not practice magic myself), primarily to see if it was indeed a genuine form of magic or not... Shamanism is also a genuine form, but the fact has been diluted with fancy over the centuries and only a fraction of its former power remains, many of the most dangerous practices have been lost.

Another thing that I wanted to mention is raw spiritual strength or pressure, as some put it. Some humans manifest enough to develop a physical aura of sorts, and many therians who manifest this have tangible phantom limbs that can be felt by others. However, the spiritual force required to withstand a magical process so extreme as a physical transformation would be enormous...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:36 pm


::considers:: I'm not sure it's that Shamanism itself has become diluted so much as it's no longer something Shamans devote their lives to. Religion in general isn't like that anymore, which is, in a way, a shame... But regardless.

I agree with you on the point that it would be nigh impossible to withstand a physical shift. I was just allowing for the possibility in certain very special circumstances because, well, the greatest Shamans WERE said to have physically become their animals from time to time. Also like I said, though, it's never been confirmed. I'd like to, on some level, believe it though. But then, I also hold the belief that more or less anything is possible with enough time and energy dedicated. Time is where most humans fall short - we just don't live very long. ::sigh::

R-e-d _ C a r e s s

Shirtless Shapeshifter


Ten Words

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:35 pm


It IS a good point that people do not devote their lives to magic traditions, as preachers of "mainstream" religions can. Being unable to make a living as a shaman or as a Wiccan sorcerer is a huge obstacle.

Ancient wiccan wizards could live for hundreds of years and hurl balls of fire at will-the "classic" wizard of modern fantasy- usually by willingly inviting a demon of considerable power to possess them. Again, the notion of spiritual pressure- most who attempt this died, their soul literally torn to shreds. Those who survived were usually unstable or completely insane.

I have no doubt that shamans of old could achieve similar levels of power, albiet through much different means, it still comes down to communing with spirits, which, whether they are demonic, natural, or even the few human spectres in existance, is rather risky.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:43 pm


Ten Words
It IS a good point that people do not devote their lives to magic traditions, as preachers of "mainstream" religions can. Being unable to make a living as a shaman or as a Wiccan sorcerer is a huge obstacle.

Ancient wiccan wizards could live for hundreds of years and hurl balls of fire at will-the "classic" wizard of modern fantasy- usually by willingly inviting a demon of considerable power to possess them. Again, the notion of spiritual pressure- most who attempt this died, their soul literally torn to shreds. Those who survived were usually unstable or completely insane.

I have no doubt that shamans of old could achieve similar levels of power, albiet through much different means, it still comes down to communing with spirits, which, whether they are demonic, natural, or even the few human spectres in existance, is rather risky.

You don't have to be possessed by a demon to hurl fireballs, it is called pyrokinetics and is a psychic ability that can be developed with many many hours of hard concentration. As for shape shifting it is improbable, but not impossible. The mind has quite a lot of influence on the body and people who have truly convinced themselves that they are a certain way start becoming that way. I have tried to shape shift in a way. One of the body types I remember best is one with pale skin, really long fingers and limbs, white hair, and large blue eyes that have no white showing, its quite interesting. Anyway, I visualize my hand the way I described over my hand and make it look more real, I literally feel my fingers stretch. This requires a good imagination to visualize the hand in complete detail over your real hand, fortunately I have a VERY good imagination.

Setsuchi


Requiem of Whyspers

Fashionable Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:14 pm


I agree with you there Setsuchi. I believe that shapeshifting can be achieved in one way or another. And yes the mind does have a great influence over the physical body. I have inded made my wings real to a degree that my best friend once saw them. it wore me out horribly though so I haven't tried again since, at least not that intensively. I have made them real enough to affect me many times before, even enough to "fly", in a sense. but yeah, imagination does have alot to do with it and belief as well. If you believe you are what you appear to be, you loose the perception of what you truly are inside. Therian's who are truly in touch with themselves can vouch for it that our physical bodies are a human facade that allows us to hide among the mainstream masses that think we are monsters or that we don't exist at all.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:07 am


I've only heard one person call us monsters, and he was horribly flamed by normal people, Therians, and even furries.

In terms of visible phantom limbs, I've heard of, and I've also experienced tangible phantom limbs, which I've already alluded to. However, truly changing into your theriotype with such a method is nigh impossible. At best you could achieve a kind of hybrid form, and the strain could possibly kill you. That kind of thing goes beyond the limits of what power humans are allowed. To exceed that does not mean death necesarily, but it is very risky ground.

I believe things I see with my own eyes. I've seen wiccans conjure fire, and I've felt the oppressive mental presence of a summoned demon. I've never seen psychic abilities displayed without fraud without some kind of magic influence or focus. Nor have i met anyone capable of sustaining visible wings for more than a few seconds.

Ten Words


Setsuchi

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:42 pm


Ten Words
I've only heard one person call us monsters, and he was horribly flamed by normal people, Therians, and even furries.

In terms of visible phantom limbs, I've heard of, and I've also experienced tangible phantom limbs, which I've already alluded to. However, truly changing into your theriotype with such a method is nigh impossible. At best you could achieve a kind of hybrid form, and the strain could possibly kill you. That kind of thing goes beyond the limits of what power humans are allowed. To exceed that does not mean death necesarily, but it is very risky ground.

I believe things I see with my own eyes. I've seen wiccans conjure fire, and I've felt the oppressive mental presence of a summoned demon. I've never seen psychic abilities displayed without fraud without some kind of magic influence or focus. Nor have i met anyone capable of sustaining visible wings for more than a few seconds.

You really shouldn't be that way, there are a lot of things that are real that cant be seen. Where have you seen wiccans conjure fire? I have a rabid interest in spell circles and have been itching to find a book that has more than two in it.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:01 pm


I do not write things off as false simply because I haven't seen them, I am just very skeptical. I myself do not practice magic, but I find it an interesting thing to hear or read about, or even witness.

However, while I understand your fascination, I would advise staying away from magic. Once you are so deeply involved that you learn some of the truely horrifying truths about it, you will find yourself drawn deeper and deeper, sometimes directly against your will. I saw this happen to several people I knew, and, to an extent, myself.

Ten Words


Roufette

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:35 am


Ten Words
It IS a good point that people do not devote their lives to magic traditions, as preachers of "mainstream" religions can. Being unable to make a living as a shaman or as a Wiccan sorcerer is a huge obstacle.

Ancient wiccan wizards could live for hundreds of years and hurl balls of fire at will-the "classic" wizard of modern fantasy- usually by willingly inviting a demon of considerable power to possess them. Again, the notion of spiritual pressure- most who attempt this died, their soul literally torn to shreds. Those who survived were usually unstable or completely insane.

I have no doubt that shamans of old could achieve similar levels of power, albiet through much different means, it still comes down to communing with spirits, which, whether they are demonic, natural, or even the few human spectres in existance, is rather risky.

You cannot use the word Wicca in that paragraph. Although there may have been wicca-like religions in the past, the official religion of Wicca was created in 1964 (I believe. That I can't be sure of.) by Gardener.

So... Just noooooooooooooooo.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:03 pm


Ten Words
I do not write things off as false simply because I haven't seen them, I am just very skeptical. I myself do not practice magic, but I find it an interesting thing to hear or read about, or even witness.

However, while I understand your fascination, I would advise staying away from magic. Once you are so deeply involved that you learn some of the truely horrifying truths about it, you will find yourself drawn deeper and deeper, sometimes directly against your will. I saw this happen to several people I knew, and, to an extent, myself.

Oh don't worry, its not like I'm going to kill people and sacrifice their souls to demons. There is a big difference between practicing magic and the occult. Anyway I don't really believe in the typical definition of demons. Most "demons" are ghosts/spirits that have spent too long in the astral plane and have become corrupted by hate and other negative things. They are like onions made of dirt, peel of all the layers of hate, greed, jealousy, ect, and you will find an ordinary person underneath. They are quite dangerous though, thats certainly true. But we are getting off subject.

Setsuchi


Marukar

PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:43 pm


Youkais Tigerboy
I agree with you there Setsuchi. I believe that shapeshifting can be achieved in one way or another. And yes the mind does have a great influence over the physical body. I have inded made my wings real to a degree that my best friend once saw them. it wore me out horribly though so I haven't tried again since, at least not that intensively. I have made them real enough to affect me many times before, even enough to "fly", in a sense. but yeah, imagination does have alot to do with it and belief as well. If you believe you are what you appear to be, you loose the perception of what you truly are inside. Therian's who are truly in touch with themselves can vouch for it that our physical bodies are a human facade that allows us to hide among the mainstream masses that think we are monsters or that we don't exist at all.

Thats very intreseting, could you explain how you got your wings to be seen?

I have been trying and I have no luck
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