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 Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 2:27 pm
We all know the story--Frodo, a hobbit, embarked on the momentous quest to destroy the Ring of Power. Fending off all obstacles, he suceeded, losing only one finger for his trouble. But he was not the only one to bear the One Ring. His companion Sam took it for safekeeping when he thought Frodo had been killed by Shelob. Though an enormous weight fell upon him, and he felt a strange reluctance to relinquish the Ring, he did not seem to suffer from its more debilitating mind-altering effects.
So what do you think? Would Sam have been a better Ringbearer, or was his apparent resistance to the Ring due only to the fact that its burden had not fully consumed him yet?
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:20 am
No. Sam only had teh ring for a short while. Do ye rember when Frodo first got the ring in book one? He was barely affected. It was after such a long time... oh wait. Sam could have done it. All he had to do was climb the mountain and be done with it. He noly worn it once or twice vs. Frodo many.
Yeah.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 1:50 pm
no, frodo had it for so long it began to take over him
sam was not posessed because he only had it for a short time, even though he was in mordor
we'll never know
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:16 pm
I agree with you all. I believe Frodo was destined to have the Ring, and his wisdom and spirit were what made its destruction possible--along with Sam's help, of course. Though Sam's heart is undoubtedly pure, none are impervious to the Ring's corruption.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 4:37 pm
I guess there's a chance that Sam could have carried the ring, but I don't think his heart was strong enough to carry the weight for a long time. He did well when he took it for safekeeping, but otherwise I don't think he would have been able to hold up.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:10 pm
yeah I agree with everyone, the only reason Sam was not subject to the rings power at the time is because he only had it for a short period of time verses how long Frodo had carried it for. Frodo carried it a long time before it really started to wear on him.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:34 am
sounds like a good fan fic plot or something.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:05 pm
No, I don't think Sam would have been a better Ringbearer. Frodo was the "Chosen One" and he himself had great resistence to the Ring's power. Sam only had the Ring for a little bit and wdefinetly wouldn't have felt its true power in that short amount of time.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:56 pm
Yeah. Sam wouldn't have been a better Ringbearer. He still rocks hardest, in my opinion, but each had a carefully set role in the book. Sam was meant to play HIS part, not Frodo's. It is reiterated many times throughout the books that Frodo was meant for the task of Ringbearer. Though no one can argue that without Sam, Frodo would have been lost long before reaching Mount Doom. YOU ROCK, SAM!!! mrgreen
~Nar~
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:59 am
zaMmaP No. Sam only had teh ring for a short while. Do ye rember when Frodo first got the ring in book one? He was barely affected. It was after such a long time... oh wait. Sam could have done it. All he had to do was climb the mountain and be done with it. He noly worn it once or twice vs. Frodo many.
Yeah.
I mean, watch/read the third movie/book. Bilbo was a lot older then, and the time of his abandoning of the Ring has been 'bout five years already. But even then, he was still corrupted (Remember, he had the Ring for an awful lot of time), he even asked if he could hold it one last time, even at the end, and even knowing that it could do harm to him again. *Blurry*.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:38 pm
Vengeful password zaMmaP No. Sam only had teh ring for a short while. Do ye rember when Frodo first got the ring in book one? He was barely affected. It was after such a long time... oh wait. Sam could have done it. All he had to do was climb the mountain and be done with it. He noly worn it once or twice vs. Frodo many.
Yeah.
I mean, watch/read the third movie/book. Bilbo was a lot older then, and the time of his abandoning of the Ring has been 'bout five years already. But even then, he was still corrupted (Remember, he had the Ring for an awful lot of time), he even asked if he could hold it one last time, even at the end, and even knowing that it could do harm to him again. *Blurry*.wow, you said it! and also look at Gollum!! it completely corrupted him and took him to his doom. It seemed to take a really long time in order to corrupt Frodo and even when it came down to it he was able to let it go where as I don't think that Sam would have been able to, I don't think that he was as strong as Frodo.
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:30 pm
A few pages into Book 6, Chapter 1 Sam is tempted by the ring as it hangs from his neck.
"In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a relm; his own hand to use, not the hands of others to command."
I think that Sam would have been just as good as Frodo was at carrying the Ring. Maybe even better because I think he was more accutely aware of his plain sence. If Tolkien gives one opinion in the entire book it's that the intelectual eliet are over rated.
Except that Sam would be lacking one thing Frodo had: someone behind him pushing him all the way up that mountain. Frodo was not an exceptionally strong person. He was ready to give up by Lorien! But there were people behind him that wouldn't let him give up. And Sam was there the longest.
Would I have sent Sam off with the Ring to Mordor? No. Because he wouldn't have someone as layal to him as he was to Frodo behind him. And that was Frodo's real strength.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:22 am
Vengeful password I agree. Sam only had the ring for about two days at the most. Rethe 13: Frodo captured. Rethe 14: Sam finds Frodo. 1 day. Vengeful password But if it had been with him for a bit longer, I'd like to believe that even he would have had a hard time letting it go. It would have corrupted him by then. "Now that it had come to it, Sam felt reluctant to give up the Ring and burden his master with it again." ~Book 6, Chapter 1, After Sam finds Frodo in the Tower. Vengeful password Remember in the first movie/book, Frodo running up to Bag End at the Night of Bilbo's long expected Birthday party, he happen to have picked up The Ring. Frodo recieved the Ring in an envolope on the mantle on the 22nd of Halimath, 1401, but isn't asked to hand it to Gandalf untill the 12th of Astron, 1418. That's a 17 year difference. Vengeful password But he just freely handed it over to Gandalf without hessitation. "Frodo took [the Ring] from his breeches-pocket, where it was clasped to a chain that hung from his belt. He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for gandalf to touch it." Book 1, Chapter 2 Vengeful password Then that proves that it realy does take time before the Ring's "Corruption effect" takes place in one's mind/body. Isildur, Smeagol, and Bilbo all succumbed to the Rings power in a matter of minutes and hours. I think what saved frodo was the manner in which he obtained the Ring. It was given to him freely while it's Master was overthrown, and Frodo had no idea what it really was. Not only that, but he didn't use it, and was about as far as he could have been from Sauron. Vengeful password Bilbo was a lot older then, and the time of his abandoning of the Ring has been 'bout five years already. But even then, he was still corrupted (Remember, he had the Ring for an awful lot of time), he even asked if he could hold it one last time, even at the end, and even knowing that it could do harm to him again. Again, it had been over 17 years since Bilbo had last seen the Ring after bearing it nearly 60 years. And Peter Jackson way overdid Bilbo's reaction. Bilbo simply asked to see it. It was Frodo that saw the monster Jackson portrayed. Bilbo simply let it go in understanding after that.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:24 pm
Ah. Well-put, Deramin, as usual. 3nodding I had almost forgotten Tolkien's message about those most wise or powerful wielding the Ring. The fact that even Gandalf could not withstand the temptation for long, knowing all that he did, was key to the quest. Indeed, Sam was as important to Frodo as food or water--or the Ring, in the end. And you make a very good point about Frodo seeing the monster; I never thought of it that way.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:42 am
.Deramin = *Wrar* domokun Good work.
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