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 Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:23 pm
Knowticed how the guild here is filled up with things that people have known and were asking about other aspies, like 'not feeling human' 'things that annoy an aspie' things like this, it works well, but lets get something like a real world issue for a serious descussion to hear how some of the aspies think of it, sence from what I know, aspies have a unique vision of the world. If this isn't what the guild was for, please remove this accordingly or just ignore the topic, just thought it would be something nice for this guild. ^_^
For this topic:
Homosexuality, a famous topic,
Do you believe that homosexuality is truely a trait born withen a child, as most claim it to be, or is there something else that might explain this?
For my views of it, I believe that homosexuality is more of a choice than a born trait of a child. I personally believe that each person has a choice if they wish to love a person of the same gender or not.
The way they portray it, with the femenen acts, I think it's mainly a desire to become the oppposite sex more than just 'the way they are' their voices they learned to adapt their voices to sound like the way that they do in order to make themselves appear more like the opposite sex more than it being their natural voice.
The way that I can believe this is because, you would see homosexuals, or least the ones I have met, have tried to convert other people to homosexuality, being a straight male, I have delt with this situation, I have told them I don't want to be gay many times over and over, and they have tried thinking that men are secretly gay. If this is true, wouldn't the other way around be true that a gay male can just as easily become straight as a straight male can become gay?
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:54 pm
Being bisexual myself, I can tell you that homosexuality is not a choice. When I'm walking down the street and I see a hot woman, I don't choose to think she's hot, or choose to have sexual desires for her. I just do. It just happens. It's the same way a straight or bisexual girl would find a guy hot, or a straight or bisexual male would find a female hot.
Wanting to be the opposite sex is "transgendered". Gender has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
None of the gay/bisexual people I know are stereotypical. They don't stand out in a crowd.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:52 pm
If this is true, then why are there thoes that try to convert obvious straight males/females to homosexuality when it's plain and obvious that they believe it is not a choice. Why does it seem that it's a choice for people whom are straight and not for people whom are gay?
How come when you are intoxicated, you are more easiily tempted by the same sex if you are straight, and vice versa. My lesbian friend did make love and had a video with a straight woman that got drunk one night.
And to prove your theory wrong, my pastor at my church did convert a homosexual to Christianity and he has turned from a homosexual to a strict straight male. I have seen this first hand, it is a matter of choice of taist, it has nothing to do with being forced by some chemical makup in one's hormones.
Everybody is just as bisexual as the other, it's their choice that they choose to be that, the taist in different people, what they really want, just because your bisexual dousn't mean straight and gay people don't think that way too. I can look at another man and think he is a beautiful person, but I won't try to be sexually attracted to the man because it isn't my taist.
Plus, there have been studies to show that straight, homophobic males did get boners from a study of showing them gay porn, and straight porn, random straight males, I have no proof of any of this unfortunitly, and I don't know where to look it up at. All I have is my word to go on, your choice if you believe this part or not.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:37 am
We are born with our own sets of dispositions and inclinations, some very strong, like sexual orientation, and others weaker. But if you really want to, you can bend and change yourself to your desire. No amount of predisposition will force you to be gay if you want to be straight, for whatever reason. Orientation isn't set in stone.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:23 pm
Quote: Everybody is just as bisexual as the other, it's their choice that they choose to be that, the taist in different people, what they really want, just because your bisexual dousn't mean straight and gay people don't think that way too. I can look at another man and think he is a beautiful person, but I won't try to be sexually attracted to the man because it isn't my taist. I disagree. There are now studies that suggest that sexuality lies more on a spectrum rather than it being so black and white. People are born onto some area of that spectrum. What this means is that on one end there is homosexual, on the other end is straight, and then there is everything in between (bisexual falling in the middle. Unfortunately this model does not really account for asexuality). People born closer to the middle of the spectrum are more inclined to be attracted to both sexes or even to switch their preference, though this is less likely by their own choice and more likely influenced by their experiences in life. People closer to either end of the spectrum (homosexual or straight) are more inclined to be attracted to one sex and cannot and will not switch, or as you say "be converted" to a different sexual preference. This model also accounts for your pastor at your church, there are some people who can switch preferences, but many who can't. People don't choose to be gay anymore than you chose to be straight. I seriously doubt you woke up one day and said "I'm going to be straight!" Gay people don't do that, either.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:55 pm
Civet Moon Quote: Everybody is just as bisexual as the other, it's their choice that they choose to be that, the taist in different people, what they really want, just because your bisexual dousn't mean straight and gay people don't think that way too. I can look at another man and think he is a beautiful person, but I won't try to be sexually attracted to the man because it isn't my taist. I disagree. There are now studies that suggest that sexuality lies more on a spectrum rather than it being so black and white. People are born onto some area of that spectrum. What this means is that on one end there is homosexual, on the other end is straight, and then there is everything in between (bisexual falling in the middle. Unfortunately this model does not really account for asexuality). People born closer to the middle of the spectrum are more inclined to be attracted to both sexes or even to switch their preference, though this is less likely by their own choice and more likely influenced by their experiences in life. People closer to either end of the spectrum (homosexual or straight) are more inclined to be attracted to one sex and cannot and will not switch, or as you say "be converted" to a different sexual preference. This model also accounts for your pastor at your church, there are some people who can switch preferences, but many who can't. People don't choose to be gay anymore than you chose to be straight. I seriously doubt you woke up one day and said "I'm going to be straight!" Gay people don't do that, either. What I bolded can be stated anyways, if somebody is, guess you can say influanced into something, it's a possibility they can turn to that thing. Like if a total prep hangs out with a ton of punks, there's a possibility that person can turn to a punk as well, vice versa as well. Just as people's attitudes can change by the certain people they hangout with. This being said, the person being influanced by heterosexual ideals and stuff can change from the total gay to the straight person. Though from what I read from what you said, that's basically my theory from the study that you have shown me.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:06 am
Avey Though from what I read from what you said, that's basically my theory from the study that you have shown me. Not exactly. What the study is saying that people *are* born either gay, straight, or somewhere in between. It is a predisposition. But it is not so straight-forward as someone being completely gay, completely straight, or strictly bisexual. All the study says that is similiar to your theory is that if people are more along the middle of the spectrum, they *may* switch preferences. But that doesn't mean they will. And by experience it doesn't necessarily mean hanging out with gay people or hanging out with straight people, it may mean the type of family the person has, how they fare academically, who they meet and become attracted to (person-wise, not gender-wise), etc.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:13 am
The only thing I think it really proves is that a relationship with one or more people can affect one's sex life, just like how abuse toward a child will lead them to an angry life. (not saying that abuse was used to make homosexual children or anything, that's just gay, in the bad way, not the homosexual way)
The thing I really want to say is that these homosexuals claim it is a thing of nature and it is uncontrollable to be sexually attracted to the same gender and they cannot change it no matter what they do. That is what I have knowticed, which I think is bullshit.
I will admit however, your theory does make a bit more sence than mine does, but it can't all just be from a certain chemical makup in the hormones.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:13 pm
Ok, Avey, let's try this, then... You're straight, right? Can you force yourself to be gay? Can you *force* yourself to not be attracted to people of the opposite sex, and only be attracted to people of the same sex?
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:07 pm
Yeah, can't say only, but it is possible if I wanted to.
seriously, you should have seen that answer coming.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:19 am
Avey Yeah, can't say only, but it is possible if I wanted to. seriously, you should have seen that answer coming.Ok... try it for a week, then. I'm curious to see how it goes.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:02 pm
Civet: On the asexuality thing fitting into the spectrum, IIRC the best integration on asexuality is on a seperate spectrum linked to the hetero-bi-homo one regarding sexual desire. In my mind, that accounts for the 'heteroromantic/biromantic/homoromantic' desires of many asexuals.
Avey: Out of curiosity, why in the hell do you think someone would want to have a non-hetero sexual orientation? Yes, I think I'll choose to be discriminated against and insulted for my entire life tomorrow. I think I'll turn into a lesbian! Or, more relevant to my current situation: Yes, I totally chose to be an asexual. I so wanted my mother to constantly bother me about guys and bug me about 'not having met the right person yet, why don't you try to meet more guys?' although I've told her a thousand times that the physical attraction is not there. I definitely wanted to go through life having to deal with the absolute confusion of almost everyone who learns of my asexuality and either thinks there's something wrong with me or that I can be reformed by dating 'the right guy.' Yup, I'm so thrilled to be outside the norm here!
Not that I'm not happy with myself and with my asexuality as a part of that self, but occasionally I wish that I was sexual rather than asexual--I'm pretty sure my parents could have accepted it if I'd turned out homosexual or bi; they really do not get my asexuality and my mother in particular bugs me about it quite often.
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:55 am
Civet Moon Avey Yeah, can't say only, but it is possible if I wanted to. seriously, you should have seen that answer coming.Ok... try it for a week, then. I'm curious to see how it goes. Like I said, if I wanted to, but I don't want to, so I don't have to prove your theory at all. I don't even want a girlfriend at this moment, so it really wouldn't prove anything. Sola Catella- Same reason that somebody would want a normal heterosexual relationship. I never stated that it's any worse or anything. I'm not trying to be homophobic saying that gay people are going to hell or any of this bullcrap they would hear in church.
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:43 pm
Avey Like I said, if I wanted to, but I don't want to, so I don't have to prove your theory at all. I don't even want a girlfriend at this moment, so it really wouldn't prove anything. I'm not telling you to go and try to get a boyfriend or hit on guys. I'm just asking you to try to make yourself feel attracted to people of the same sex, and not attracted to people of the opposite sex, for a whole week. Just to see if you can. Obviously you don't have to do it, but I think it might clarify some things if you do. Quote: Sola Catella- Same reason that somebody would want a normal heterosexual relationship. I never stated that it's any worse or anything. I'm not trying to be homophobic saying that gay people are going to hell or any of this bullcrap they would hear in church. You kind of missed her point... what she's saying is that it'd be so much easier to choose to be heterosexual because of all the discrimination homosexuals face, so why would they choose to be homosexual?
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:40 am
Civet Moon Avey Like I said, if I wanted to, but I don't want to, so I don't have to prove your theory at all. I don't even want a girlfriend at this moment, so it really wouldn't prove anything. I'm not telling you to go and try to get a boyfriend or hit on guys. I'm just asking you to try to make yourself feel attracted to people of the same sex, and not attracted to people of the opposite sex, for a whole week. Just to see if you can. Obviously you don't have to do it, but I think it might clarify some things if you do. Quote: Sola Catella- Same reason that somebody would want a normal heterosexual relationship. I never stated that it's any worse or anything. I'm not trying to be homophobic saying that gay people are going to hell or any of this bullcrap they would hear in church. You kind of missed her point... what she's saying is that it'd be so much easier to choose to be heterosexual because of all the discrimination homosexuals face, so why would they choose to be homosexual? 1. I still don't want to, I know I could if I wanted to, but I don't want to, simple as that. You can't force a person to choose what they want. I know I would feel attracted if I cared enough, but I don't. Also, I am a Christian, and I won't go off and perform an act like this just to prove another person's point.
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