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do you agree w/me?
  yes. This is how it should be, and we should fuel a church community around homosexuals
  no. homosexuality is not a sin,and it shouldn't matter in church
  yes, but we should not bring homosexuals into our church at all
  " ", but we should not let homosexuals into our church unless they are trying to change
  poll whore (mneeehhhh)
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seacret_cie

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:52 am


I just posted this in another topic, but I really feel like more need to know. Somewhere in here, I realized thatI felt like I am really speaking for truth. Please read it through, for I feel the end is powerful. Thank you for being open minded.
....read the end!



ok, I really have to say this. I see so many ppl people being led astray to think that it is ok to commit homosexual acts.

please just listen. I am not condemning anyone.

this is the truth from the word: "do not practice homosexuality. It is a detestable sin."

also: "do not lust"

these are both sins. What God wants from us is not for us to lust after the rightgender, but holiness. That means no lust. Humanly, that is not possible, as we are all sinful, but all of us should be working towards being holy. If it says flat-out that homosexuality is a sin, and someone of a gender lusts after another of the same, gender, since to wishit in your heart is as comitting the sin itself, that person is guilty of the sin. The SAME GOES FOR ALL HETEROSEXUAL LUST,TOO.

I agree that a homosexual relationship can be functional. The thing is, (and this is coming from a homosexual friend of mine who spoke in church) a homosexual relationship is a person trying to fufill God given needs in away God never intended. He described himself goingfroma kid who identified more with the opposite gender, and thereforeleft his owngender to beviewed as the 'mysterious other.' Those feelings transcended from intense friendships with other men into sexual relationships with other men, as men, for him, where the 'other' whereas women were the same.

of course, because this identification with girls happened early in life, hewas led to believe that he had 'been born that way.'
thetruth is,we all are born with our battles already planned out for us and waiting for us in life. For some, theymay battle a decietful nature, others a temper, still others intense sexuality (both hetero- or homo- sexual)


the answer to homosexuality is not to try to redirect the sexual energy towards the oppsoite gender. the answeris holiness. It is the same with having a temper, homosexuality,heightened sexual temptation in general , or anything else that ppl may say they are "born" with. However, anyone with such sinful tendancies (whic I figure is jsut about everyone)still needs to admit that they are, Indeed, sinful, even if it feels like they are beingwronged as being labeled as sinful because of being borna certain way. Fact is, we are allborn sinfulanyways, and just because oneperson's particular battle is homosexuality DOES NOT meanthatthey should be pushed out of thechurch ortreated any differently thanany other person. Homosexuals need to be accepted, pushed, given a home, supported and corrected and held accountable to make changes, just as any other person within a church who is batteling any other sin in their lives.

The topic of homosexuality is testy and sensitive, mostly becasue itis such a personal thing for the homosexual. That does not mean that we are to compromise and make allowances that God specifically speaks against, jsutas he speaks againstl ying, lust, and cutting in mourning for the dead (cutting being my particular battle.) We are called upon to be Godly people and to bring others to living a Godly life. No one is wrong to tell a homosexual that they should be fighting their homosexualurges, just as no one would be wrong to tell me that I should be fighting my urges to cut, which is as natural and necessary as crying is for anyone else. Imagine being told that you cannot cry because it is sinly. Cutting serves the function of crying for me, and was very difficult to stop as it was... something I had always done. That cutting was that for me, and me stopping was stopping being something that was such a part of who I am, it was still a sin and wrong for me to do.

keep in mind, sin does not mean doing something evil. It means going against God's will.

If you get into a place where you are physically unhealthy, you are sinning in that God does not want you to make yourself suffer. Its not because you're evil;itsbecasue you are unwittingly doing something that is bad for yorself, and becasue God does not want you to suffer becauseof His love for you, he tells you not to do certain things.

for those of you batteling homosexuality, I know it is easier said thandone, but "leannot on thineownunderstanding" I do believe that homosexuals have the privelage of having a differently,and maybe more, intimate walk with God if they turn from their sin, because of the strenght and reliance on God needed to battle such a sin. Rejoice in opportunity of walking deeper with Christ,asevery battle is not a drag, but an opportunity to prove your love to Him, after which he in turns showers you with joy. How much more will He be pleased andhappywith youfor turning from this sin than someone who has never had such a difficult battle? Your Counsilor is with you and will guide you, and you simply do have the strenght to persue and achieve holiness, as does any person. Decide.

Christ or the rest?

also, for those witnessing homosexuals batteling, do not shut themdown. do not shut them out. Just because this sinis one of the more bizzar, and sol ess comfortable oneto see, does not mean that you get to loos teh compassion we are called to have for ALL PEOPLE.

Finally, for those who see that true, god-fearing/god-loving people are saying that homosexuality is acceptable, dont be afraid to disagree. If you are silent, you may, in the end, havekept thatperson fromthatdeep walk w/ God I was talking about before. Plus, sin screws up the relationship between the person and God by creating distance (God values free will and so backs off when the person chooses against Him and waits for the person to turn back to Him), and so it limits the ability of God to work in the person's life...and threfore limits the amount of true complete joy and wholeness the person can recieve from him.

thatwas a lovely run-on sentence, wasn't it?

now that I've typed your eyes off, Ill end this.

Godbless.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:33 pm


I'd like to point out that the church belongs to Christ and Christ alone, it is he who owns the church, not us.

Mr. Bono Vox


Empress_Kat

PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:05 pm


The Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Therefore, it is not a sin. End of story.

http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:23 am


Comment withheld for fear of getting kicked out of the guild.

By the way, hello everyone! I sorta left Gaia for a while and I don't think I told you (sorry about that sweatdrop ) but I'm back again so...yea.

BanningUnit


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:36 pm


rabid_trix_rabbit
Comment withheld for fear of getting kicked out of the guild.

By the way, hello everyone! I sorta left Gaia for a while and I don't think I told you (sorry about that sweatdrop ) but I'm back again so...yea.


Welcome back then!
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