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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:27 pm
Long used as a psycho-analytic technique, hypnosis and hypnotists have been reduced to more of a parlor trick.
The arguments for hypnotism tend to be circular at best. When asked to prove a person is actually hypnotized, one will point to the bizarre behaviors they can be suggested to do. When asked why the hypnotized persons are acting on strange suggestions, one usually responds that they are hypnotized.
My question is, has anyone had any experience with clinical hypnotism and what were your feelings on it? Does anyone have feelings for or against such a treatment?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:35 pm
I'm obviously of the mind that Hypnotism is not a legitmate therpay but in my literatrue searches I seen a good amount of support. I still am hesitant to beleive what these articles have to say, but on the flip side I can't find much critical literature. Is it simply the case that the nonscientific nature of hypnotism is limiting research or is it simply not taken serriously enough.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:27 am
I can't say I've had experience in this area, nor have I looked into it too much (I don't see article titles with 'hypnosis' in them when I breeze through the periodicals at my college). A related area, though, would be brainwashing and mind control, which I think has a little bit more substantiation in the literature. These things work off the concepts that if you control the information that a person recieves, you can control their thoughts, to an extent.
Mabye you could give us some links or titles of peer reviewed articles on hypnosis? If I'm lucky I can get ahold of a copy and breeze through it to contribute a bit more to the discussion. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:57 pm
I'll start by describing some experience I had that I'm not sure I can relate to hypnosis... I think so.
I worked in clinical psychology for one year. I had a patient who suffered some kind of phobia (it was actually much more complicated, but I'll just stick with phobia).
I had suggested gradual exposure exercises to the feared situation loads of times, but she just couldn't do it. So we decided to make a covert exposure exercise, which means I would describe some scenes, and she would just imagine herself in it.
She sat in front of me, facing the opposite direction. I would describe the scenes, and she would just remain silent. Suddenly she stopped, and said she couldn't do it anymore.
When she tried to explain why, one of the things she said was "I don't feel comfortable about being so susceptible to what someone's says... it was like I'll do anything you'd describe, as if it was out of my control".
Now... was she hypnotized? If I told her to behave like a dog, she probably wouldn't. But hypnosis is more like points in a scale of counsciousness - subcounciousness than an all-or-nothing thing.
I wouldn't say the arguments for hypnosis are circular without a definition of hypnotic state. It's like saying you can't really prove someone's walking, because when you ask "why are her legs moving", somone could reply "because she's walking". But how do you know she's walking? Because her legs are moving.
With a clear definition, there's no reason why hypnosis' nature is non-scientific.
I don't really know much about it, but hypnosis IS in the scope of scientific research, even not having much attention from psychologists. I have a behavior-modification book with a whole chapter dedicated to hypnosis. It's simpler that it looks, and less-magical than people seem to believe.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:38 am
I hear what your saying Calunio, but I dont feel that Covert Exposure and Hypnotism are really the same form of therapy. In covert expoure the focus on the therapy isn't to draw out a long forgotten experience from the subconcious, but to try to lower aprehension to a fear inducing situation.
Now I'm not here to say I'm the expert on hypnotism, but I have read a few accounts and a few texts and articles and I see a lack of agreement even among hypnotists. This is not so say that there aren't dissagreements among all scientific realms, but I see a particular inconsitency in hypnotism and its proponents. I see this as limiting the scientific nature of hypnotism.
To really comment furthger I nwould need amore historical understanding of hypnotism. I will leave you with an interesting thought I heard when discussing hypnotism elsehwere. The person suggested hypnotism came into vogue with Freud becuase it was a way for him to give his female patients (the bulk of hius patients) free reign to say whatever they wanted without fear of reprisal. This was a way to get at thier more candid thoughts and give the patients an excuse for saying them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:12 pm
Wise Dr Funk I hear what your saying Calunio, but I dont feel that Covert Exposure and Hypnotism are really the same form of therapy. In covert expoure the focus on the therapy isn't to draw out a long forgotten experience from the subconcious, but to try to lower aprehension to a fear inducing situation. I didn't say they were the same form of therapy. As techniques, they're completely different, but if you have hypnosis as a state of counsciousness, you can induce that state in many ways, even without wanting to, and that's what I was talking about.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:21 pm
Hypnosis really is not an effective tool in some cases ! In some cases people who have been hypnotized claimed they remembered incidences that never really happened. The individual actually carrying out the percedure probably suggested that an incident may have a occured but in it didn't. In considering hypnosis, one should considered the power of suggestion. For example, In one of my psychology class, my tutorial leader told us of a case in which a young women was hypnotized. The young women claimed that she was molested after a session with her hypnotist however she never was molested. The power of suggestion can place ideas or thoughts that aren't real!
In this instance you could say that hypnosis was used to control the thoughts of another person.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:09 am
1 the whole self improvement franchise for example tony robbins or brian tracy name any of them base on hypnotic techniques. (NLP in Robbins case) 2 Cognitive behavioral therapy bases it's techniques on hypnosis 3 Hypnosis has been proven to give a fast and effective cure for diseases psychologists can handle such as: - Trauma induced schizophremia - phobia (we learn at the first day) - depresion - anxiety - habits Hypnosis can't be used to control the thoughts of the person because: Only those suggestions that the person wants to accept will be accepted Dude if it would be as easy as manipulate people don't you think I would get all your money by now? And a person can't be hypnotized if: - Hedoesn't like the terapist - he doesn't feel safe - He feel threatened - He doesn't feel like it +Many conventional techniques for therapy such as gestalt therapy work wonderful in hypnosis. (We use it in the forgiveness therapy) It's true that there are many shitty chitty hypnotists that are scripnotists (They just read scripts! THEY DON'T EVEN MEMORIZE THEM!) In hypnosis you're in control While it's true that some pacients will experience amnesia for the process, but that's because many hypnotists use the word sleep in the process (Hypnosis doesn't have anything to do with sleep, but we use that word because people get the idea sleep= eyes closed +relaxed While many don't get the word "relaxed") If you want to be a super duper scooper hypnotist go train with this guy (The best education you'll get) http://www.omnihypnosis.com/+ there are some things as "wannabe regresions but they only accur when you tell the client "I gonna regress you!" +Most of the "rape cases" are made by people that want to sue rich hypnotists for their $ (since most hypnostists give you your money back if they don't cure your depressions in 2 hours or so I think they deserve those 200$ an hour)
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:12 am
Oh yeah I forgot On the internet there are a lot of pirated seminars (that's how I get my educations for that matter) so if you search long enough you'll find them.
+Hypnosis is a science by the definition:
Science is somethin' that gives scientific explanations
Scientific explanations base on fundamental laws (like the law of gravitation)
And we have those!
"The more the conscious effort the less the subconscious response " to name one
but .... Please give me some such laws in psychology.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:11 am
Hypnotism confuses me too.
But on another note: Has anyone tried self-hypnotism? I found a website about it here: http://www.wikihow.com/Perform-Self-Hypnosis
Now, I've tried it about twice before, but I'm not exactly sure what to say. Was it successful? Slightly. I noticed some progress toward what I suggested the next day and after, but not really that much, although significant enough to notice.
But the most interesting thing I found, was that self-hypnotism was a lot like meditation. (Which I've done many times before) Which is pretty much an altered state of consciousness, anyway, so I guess they're not too different.. ack, I'm not really sure. It was reminded me so much of meditation.
I need to read more about hypnosis before I can form a better opinion of it, though. We touched on it in my Psychology II class, but only briefly.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:42 pm
Mom was hypnotized to keep her from smoking and it didn't work, though she hypnotizes herself during root canals (so she feels no pain and doesn't need to be numbed up). I myself was trained to ease anxiety with hypnotism but so far has only taken the edge off of it. I'm really not for or against the treatment. Just seems to be something we haven't quite figured out yet.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:20 am
hypnosis. I would have to say that I'm partially on the fence. I took part in a hypnosis experiment a few years back early in college. I...I fell asleep. lol. It was really relaxing. But since then I have realized that had more to do with the methods our professor used. Since then, I have decided to research hypnosis its history as well as its role in therapy. I believe that its become something of a shadow of its former self. I'm not going to agree with Mesmer in that its some sort of a cure all. But from my personal experiences with self hypnosis, and from the practice of hypnotizing other people I do agree that their is a solid place for it in the role of Therapy in the modern world. In fact I would have to say its greatly under appreciated.
I must stress. Hypnosis is like most other treatments in that its not something to be taken lightly. Damage both emotional and physical can be done to an individual by accident, and is not something for amateurs to play with.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:29 am
I don't have much experience either, but I have done some research though I'm only a freshman in college because the subject has interested me for a long while.
For therapy, I believe there are better ways than hypnosis, because there is always the possibility that the therapist might mess up and "plant" a memory that isn't there. I just think its something to stay away from, but of course, that is merely my opinion. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:44 am
I've read a little bit about hypnosis. Mostly what I've read is of people being convinced that they experienced things such as rape/molestation when it was completely untrue, which may say something about its influence on people. Apparently, to really be a good hypnotist requires very careful practice and procedure. I've never personally been hypnotized, and I regret not having more information on it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:09 am
She lay down on the grass, Looking up at the sky, thinking, it’s all she can do. If she disappeared she would not be missed. She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass, she walks on the sand, looking outward towards the sea. She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
I have never been hypnotized at all, including clinically. I tried once, at my after-prom party, but it didn't work. I guess I'm not easily suggestible.
I think it can be useful, but it shouldn't be the primary use for something. Someone can easily just hypnotize another person and implant thoughts/memories that never occurred. And if it is used as a means to reduce pains, I don't think it should be the only means. From what I know about it, I don't think it's too helpful because it doesn't necessarily explain the truth, it tells what is wanted to be told. For example, if someone who was a suspect in a murder was under hypnosis and asked if they committed the crime, when they actually didn't, they might say they did, because of how suggestible they might be. I'm not really into hypnotism myself, but it really depends on the situation. This is just my opinion.
As for hypnotism as a means of entertainment... I don't really support it, but I'm not entirely against it. I've seen it twice, it was fun and people volunteered, I just don't think that suggesting people to do such things in public should be entertainment. Even though I know some people would know when to draw the line and eventually wake up from the sleep.
The only reason I wanted to be hypnotized that one time was to see if I am easily suggestible, and to know what it feels like to be under.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~ The waves softly hit her legs. She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues she walks into the sea, farther and farther, opening her arms towards the wave. The water is high up to her hips. The wave comes towards her. She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out; the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard. Then the water calms down. The water recedes, then darkness falls, and all goes dark. The sun goes down and the day is done.
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