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That is well said. In fact I agree with you in all areas. Abortion is like reversing the purpose of life God intended. It's directly from the Bible and I would be clear that this two, abortion and homosexuality is wrong.

Not from what I think but what the Bible says. From these passages, it is clear that God wants us to discern from it. Yes I agree people can be born the way we are, we were all born as sinners, that is why we need to repent through Jesus's words. All I can say is follow what is in the Bible because it helps you to grow. Please this is not to spite you but simply telling you that the Bible truthfully is against abortion and homosexuality. Please brothers and sisters take a break from Gaia and meditate on God's message in these passages given above.

but if abortion were to save a life of missery from like an abusive situation, it is good, and god never says its murder, he never even adresses abortion, now point 2, this isn't a christian government, the american government was based on the ideals of freedom of religion, and not everyone in america has religious problems with it, marriage shouldn't be defined for men and women, but for loved one and loved one, whether they're gay or not

Laus Deo! *tehe* read this: Christianity was the center of this goverment:

Washington continues to Give Praise to God


On the aluminum cap atop the Washington Monument in Washington, DC are two words: Laus Deo. No one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the monument have no idea they are even there and...for that matter...probably couldn't care less!

But there they are...5.125 inches high ... perched atop the monument to the father of our nation. The Washington Monument is 55 feet wide at the base and 555 feet tall, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia, capital of the United States of America. It is made of 36,000 stones of marble (from Maryland) and granite (from Maine) and weighs 90,000 tons. The monument sees about 800,000 visitors a year.

Laus Deo! Two seemingly insignificant, unnoticed words ... out of sight and, one might think, out of mind ... but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the world. And what might those two words ... composed of just four syllables and only seven letters ... mean? Very simply ... "Praise be to God!"

Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848 when James Polk was President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty-five years to finally cap the memorial with the tribute Laus Deo! Praise be to God!

From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure ... a visitor can take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. And from that vantage point one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ... a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape ... with the White House to the North, the Jefferson Memorial to the South, the Capitol to the East, and the Lincoln Memorial to the West. A cross ... you say?

How interesting! And ... no doubt ... intended to carry a meaning for those who bother to notice. Praise be to God! One interesting feature is the interior iron stairway with 50 landings and 897 stone steps. These donated stones come from every state in the Union, as well as Native American nations and foreign countries. While the stairwell has been closed since the 1970s, visitors can gain access to the top observation area via elevator. As one climbs the steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message. On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6. Praise be to God!

When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be to God! Such was the discipline, the moral direction, the spiritual mood given by the founder and first President of our unique democracy .. "one nation, under God."

I am awed by Washington's prayer for America. Have you never read it? Well now is your opportunity ... read on!

"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United states at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

Laus Deo!

As you might have guessed ... I kind of like the idea that our Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase "under God." It is clear when one studies the history of our great nation that Washington's America was one of the few countries in all the world established under the guidance, direction and banner of Almighty God, to whom was given all praise, honor and worship by the great men who formed and fashioned her pivotal foundations. And when one stops to observe the inscriptions found in public places all over our nation's capitol ... one will easily find the signature of God.

We are a nation under God!!! Laus Deo!!! Praise be to God!!!

No, because that is public indecency and against the law.

I respect your views even though I disagree with some of them. Why won't you do the same?

1)Where did God say "Man and wife"?
2)When's the last time you sat down and hashed out the Lord's political agenda with him? I'm just curious...and annoyed.

You come into an obviously liberal guild and lump two controversial subjects into one. Why? I think it was to pick a fight.

On top of that, you make obnoxious assumptions about liberals at the same time. You then proceeded to string a series of scriptural quotes, out of context together to "make your case"....and you end it with As you can see, mant times in the bible it says not to be Homosexual.

See, as far as I can see you told a story about the first human family---no mention of sexuality there, you then proceeded to repeat a story about gang rape and inhospitality, then you told a story that's more about idolitry than anything else... oh, WAIT, you didn't even tell it, you quoted one line out of context.

You did not even begin to put together a decent arguement. I'm thoroughly shocked that no one has pointed this out. You did do what you said you did, which is show "how many times in the bible it says not to be a homosxual".

I think the only reason you got a way with it that most of the people who responded agree with you to some degree.

I think they need to be more vigilant next time.

this is what I wrote before. I hope it helps you, maybe adds another element to what you already think:



I just posted this in another topic, but I really feel like more need to know. Somewhere in here, I realized thatI felt like I am really speaking for truth. Please read it through, for I feel the end is powerful. Thank you for being open minded.
....read the end!


ok, I really have to say this. I see so many ppl people being led astray to think that it is ok to commit homosexual acts.

please just listen. I am not condemning anyone.

this is the truth from the word: "do not practice homosexuality. It is a detestable sin."

also: "do not lust"

these are both sins. What God wants from us is not for us to lust after the rightgender, but holiness. That means no lust. Humanly, that is not possible, as we are all sinful, but all of us should be working towards being holy. If it says flat-out that homosexuality is a sin, and someone of a gender lusts after another of the same, gender, since to wishit in your heart is as comitting the sin itself, that person is guilty of the sin. The SAME GOES FOR ALL HETEROSEXUAL LUST,TOO.

I agree that a homosexual relationship can be functional. The thing is, (and this is coming from a homosexual friend of mine who spoke in church) a homosexual relationship is a person trying to fufill God given needs in away God never intended. He described himself goingfroma kid who identified more with the opposite gender, and thereforeleft his owngender to beviewed as the 'mysterious other.' Those feelings transcended from intense friendships with other men into sexual relationships with other men, as men, for him, where the 'other' whereas women were the same.

of course, because this identification with girls happened early in life, hewas led to believe that he had 'been born that way.'
thetruth is,we all are born with our battles already planned out for us and waiting for us in life. For some, theymay battle a decietful nature, others a temper, still others intense sexuality (both hetero- or homo- sexual)


the answer to homosexuality is not to try to redirect the sexual energy towards the oppsoite gender. the answeris holiness. It is the same with having a temper, homosexuality,heightened sexual temptation in general , or anything else that ppl may say they are "born" with. However, anyone with such sinful tendancies (whic I figure is jsut about everyone)still needs to admit that they are, Indeed, sinful, even if it feels like they are beingwronged as being labeled as sinful because of being borna certain way. Fact is, we are allborn sinfulanyways, and just because oneperson's particular battle is homosexuality DOES NOT meanthatthey should be pushed out of thechurch ortreated any differently thanany other person. Homosexuals need to be accepted, pushed, given a home, supported and corrected and held accountable to make changes, just as any other person within a church who is batteling any other sin in their lives.

The topic of homosexuality is testy and sensitive, mostly becasue itis such a personal thing for the homosexual. That does not mean that we are to compromise and make allowances that God specifically speaks against, jsutas he speaks againstl ying, lust, and cutting in mourning for the dead (cutting being my particular battle.) We are called upon to be Godly people and to bring others to living a Godly life. No one is wrong to tell a homosexual that they should be fighting their homosexualurges, just as no one would be wrong to tell me that I should be fighting my urges to cut, which is as natural and necessary as crying is for anyone else. Imagine being told that you cannot cry because it is sinly. Cutting serves the function of crying for me, and was very difficult to stop as it was... something I had always done. That cutting was that for me, and me stopping was stopping being something that was such a part of who I am, it was still a sin and wrong for me to do.

keep in mind, sin does not mean doing something evil. It means going against God's will.

If you get into a place where you are physically unhealthy, you are sinning in that God does not want you to make yourself suffer. Its not because you're evil;itsbecasue you are unwittingly doing something that is bad for yorself, and becasue God does not want you to suffer becauseof His love for you, he tells you not to do certain things.

for those of you batteling homosexuality, I know it is easier said thandone, but "leannot on thineownunderstanding" I do believe that homosexuals have the privelage of having a differently,and maybe more, intimate walk with God if they turn from their sin, because of the strenght and reliance on God needed to battle such a sin. Rejoice in opportunity of walking deeper with Christ,asevery battle is not a drag, but an opportunity to prove your love to Him, after which he in turns showers you with joy. How much more will He be pleased andhappywith youfor turning from this sin than someone who has never had such a difficult battle? Your Counsilor is with you and will guide you, and you simply do have the strenght to persue and achieve holiness, as does any person. Decide.

Christ or the rest?

also, for those witnessing homosexuals batteling, do not shut themdown. do not shut them out. Just because this sinis one of the more bizzar, and sol ess comfortable oneto see, does not mean that you get to loos teh compassion we are called to have for ALL PEOPLE.

Finally, for those who see that true, god-fearing/god-loving people are saying that homosexuality is acceptable, dont be afraid to disagree. If you are silent, you may, in the end, havekept thatperson fromthatdeep walk w/ God I was talking about before. Plus, sin screws up the relationship between the person and God by creating distance (God values free will and so backs off when the person chooses against Him and waits for the person to turn back to Him), and so it limits the ability of God to work in the person's life...and threfore limits the amount of true complete joy and wholeness the person can recieve from him.

thatwas a lovely run-on sentence, wasn't it?

now that I've typed your eyes off, Ill end this.

Godbless.

it does too
leviticus. "do not practice homosexuality. it is a detestable sin."
......why does everyone say that it doesn't explicitly say that in the bible? it DOES....
:sigh:....