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 Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:07 pm
First of all, i want to say that i made this Topic because i want to know your opinion about Homosexualism, i know that the majority of you guys agree with it, so i want you to make your opinions, because i'm not agree with that, i don't want some of you get angry with my opinion, becasue we are comerades with the same ideology and is just that an opinion, i suppose by the look of your characters that some of you are meybe gays, or lesbians, so i don't want any of you to missunderstand, well, here i go:
Im not agree with the case of the Homosexualims, im totaly against that, i don't like them, not just gays, also lesbians and bisexuals, and all those abnormal sexualities, WHY?, because:
Firs of all Homosexualism is an abnormality and malformation of the human body, its a disease(it consist in the development of femenin gens and hormones in a male body or viceversa), scientist and medics agree with that (the mayority of them, but not all), and i gess they're right, but i know a sick or diseased person should not be a cause of discrimination, NO, i don't dislike them them for that reazon (it would be like hating a handicaped person, thats totaly wrong). My point is that for example, Homosexuals in the past were born like that, and it was ok, just bad luck. but what i can't tolerate is that nowadays, Homosexuals don't born anymore, they're being transformed (NORMAL people) into gays or lesbians or bisexuals, Gays make normal people into gays. So they're fomenting a masive Hedonysm in our society, normal people are becoming Gay, bisexual, zoophilic and *****, with the excuse that they want to experiment another kinds of pleasure (most of them influences by a homosexual), THATS TOTALLY WRONG AND IS A ******** BULLSHIT !!!, Hedonysm must be stop, Hedonism is the most stupid way of life, its a ******** indignity and just decrease the integrity of the human beings, that was what happend with Roman Empire, they declaine their society just for the desire of pleasure.
Today our society is decreasing, not progressing, we must help each other to keep balance in our lives, to preserve mankind, not to destroy ourselves. To live in an equal world.
But i don't think all gays are that way for that reazon, i have a good solusion for the gay problem, and is to become gays into normal persons whit psicological and testosterone treatments, that would be the rihgt way, is like doctors actually give treaments to handicaped persons to become them the most normal as posible. Becuase i think (My own personal opinion) that being gay and they want to leave it that way, si like have AIDS and want to leave it that way, and they're spreading that disease like an epidemic. Thats my opinion and my point of view.
Sorry for use some bad words, but i can't find a better way to exprese it, i in a form of punishment i will accept all insults if you have some to me.
Hedonism: Doctrine that says: " The minimum effort for the maximum of pleasure" (just bulshit !!!)
Stoicism: To avoid all excess of pleasure and innesesary pleasures and to endure all suffering !!! (this is the perfect way, the most worthy way of life)
sorry again if something of this post bothers you.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:14 pm
FYI. Gays are of little concern to us in the overall realm of communism. Not to mention that we are supporters of a ecomnomic system which means you can be socialy right but economicly left. Seeing as homosexuality is left on the social scale, as long as they are communist it doesnt really matter.
YOu mentioned pedphillia well, thats different all together, no matter who a person is they shouldnt ever do that.
Over all i must end in saying i wont stop gays, seeing as i am Christian i will not campain against them, im a believer in love thy nieghbor as thyself. Not to mention how awful it would be to have a stright goverment force its gays to turn. THats controling their free will and we are not after that at all.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:36 pm
I'm going to start discussing whether you want to or not.
First you say that homosexuality is a disease caused by the genes. Then you say that homosexuals has the power to make straight people gay.
Besides, even if there's an "abnormity" in the genes, doesn't mean that it's a disease. Then you could just as well say that dark skin is a disease.
And why would pleasure be a bad thing?
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:31 pm
why do your care? if you are a hetero and not worried you are gay you would have no problem with them. let them do what they want they
1) Obviously cannot have children so they are somewhat cutting back on the amount of people being born
2) Some adopt children which is a great thing to do
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:34 pm
-I personally refuse to believe that people who are attracted to a certain type of person are such attracted because of anything related to genes.
I mean, do genetic attributes explain why I'm attracted to abnormally tall, thin, gamer geeks with long hair in pony tails and glasses? To me, it's just the same.
Besides, how doe genes explain bisexuality then?
And how, then, do people with this genetic defect you speak of, gain the power to apparently change the genes of someone else? That makes absolutely no sense.
I'm a liberal. I think everyone should be open minded about things because there is no REAL right or wrong in anything that can be prooven.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:15 pm
There was recently a new study, done by homosexual scientists, that disproved the gene theory (google it). Most likely it is caused by a developemental abnormality in the womb, or caused by some form of experience or another. I don't really see how homosexuals could make others homosexual, the potential is always there. The person has an undeniable right to whatever pleases them, and if that just so happens to be homosexuality, then I hope they enjoy it.
I myself believe the whole gay issue to really be something that capitalists spat into the face of the proletariat, because honestly, homosexuality is found in every single: culture, race, species, and time period without exception. The only reason it has become an issue is because it is a means to divide the proletariat. There is no way to stop a homosexual person from being homosexual, if you order them to stop, or repress them, you only increase their resolve on the whole.
I would say this is truely a nonissue to communists as muffin/bob said. The issue in an of it self is there simply to divide us.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:32 am
It is really a leap in logic to make a connection between homosexuality and *****. The majority of homosexuals are most likely as disgusted by ***** as the average heterosexual. Most probably there are just as many, if not more, heterosexuals engaging in ***** as there are homosexuals.
Also, I dont see the connection between a decline in todays society and sexuality.
Perhaps if you can provide some evidence to support your claims and to better establish these links between homosexuality and other sexual disorders, and all the other connections you seem to think it has with aspects of our current society, your argument could have more value. Until then, all you have expressed is that you are uncomfortable with would be heterosexuals, in being influenced by an increasing acceptence of gays in society, experimenting in homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:20 am
Your assumption that homosexuals can make others homosexual is total bullshit.
The truth is, unless someone would be willing to accept a homosexual lifestyle, they will not. You assume that people take in any information given to them and agree with it. If you're going to argue that "gays were never so abundant in the past", then you're just bloody lying. Homosexuality has existed throughout time only now it is ACCEPTED.
The problem with reproduction in our society is not down to homosexuality but through heterosexuals not so set on procreating anymore. To blame 2%, yes, 2% of the population for the problems in our society is like blaming the Jews for the problems in Germany in the 1930s.
To say homosexuality is a representation of hedonism is a discrimination. Any couple that has sex without the intent of making children are hedonists. Anyone with a fetish, is a hedonist. Anyone who looks at hentai, has "no strings attached relationships" and uses contraception is in theory a hedonist. So I'm afraid to say your theory is flawed.
And, what's more, I'm a bisexual who has had serious relationships with men. So when you attack them, you attack me. I am for total equality, not anything to do with an authoritarian lifestyle being forced upon anyone.
The homosexual lifestyle harms no-one. HIV is not exclusive to homosexuals, it is just easily transmitted through unprotected a**l sex, a practice done by heterosexual couples also. In fact, the main epidemic of HIV is in Africa because people are having unprotected sex, not because they are gay. But homosexual sex practiced SAFELY harms no one. ***** harms children. Zoophilia risks more diseases being transmitted to humans.
If a sexual preference harms no one you hardly have a reason to force them to be the same as "right" and "normal" heterosexuals.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:45 am
-Blind Guardian- ...Homosexuality has existed throughout time only now it is ACCEPTED... Just for the record, homosexuality was quite popular in ancient Rome among the upper class. I'm sure that applies for many other civilizations, too.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:25 am
Ginnungagap -Blind Guardian- ...Homosexuality has existed throughout time only now it is ACCEPTED... Just for the record, homosexuality was quite popular in ancient Rome among the upper class. I'm sure that applies for many other civilizations, too. And in Ancient Greece too I believe.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:29 am
You are correct blind greece too. Even hercules had homosexual relations, as well as many of the greek/roman/sabine gods. Apollo was the most homosexual god for reference.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:21 am
Well i just wanted to say to all of you, i have read all your posts so,:
First of all, I'm not an ignorant and know that AIDS or VIH is a disease that all kind of person can transmit, i know not only "Gays" transmit it.
Secondly, for the comerade Ginnungagap (what a funny name), for example, i know someone of my college, that is gay, is not my friend but he is always teasing me to be his boyfriend, and i hate him because he doesn't stop bothering me, but i knew that his past boyfriend was a normal person. So in not saying that Homosexials change the gens of the people, im not saying that they have the capasity of changing the human structure of heterosexual, What i'm saying is that they convince other persons to have sex with them, or not too xtreme, just to be with them or something like that, but people is so hedonist that they don't need to change their gens to agree with those purposes, they just fall before the promise of pleasure and is like, maybe they don't like doing it with other men, but they would like other kinds of pleasure, for that reazon i said that those kinds of search for different pleasures, That gays are fomenting (note, because in the first post many of you misunderstood: not only gays foment that, but they are a part of the origin of the problem) are the ones that leads to the other sexual disorders. (note: i'm not saying that all Gays are *****, just some of them, i like to think that is the very minority)
Now pleasure is not wrong, hedonism is wrong, because hedonism, is the exces of all plesures, an hedonist would be a man with insaciable sexual hungry, a hedonist will be a man that likes eating so much and is so fat, a hedonist will be a person who, doesn't matter the circumstances, he wants to have pleasure, Hedonism is the search of all innecesary and destructive pleasures. Hey man, if you have a work to do, and you don't care skipping your work because you're ********, thats hedonism.
Hedonism is all destructive or innecesary search of pleasure.
Thirdly, Is comproved that the 80% of the children adopted by homosexual couples grow up with psicologic traumas, so i don't really think is a great idea.
Forthly, Is not that im saying that homosexual, will transform heterosexual in other homosexual, is not lik "OH YEAH with magic i will change your gens" No please don't misunderstan, they convince them to do what they say, so gays are not the problem, hedonism is the problem, and gays are fomenting it, a part of them.
Fifthly, Ok maybe you are right, maybe all of this is not about gens, so i want you to tell me, what is the reazon for a person to become homosexual??
Blind comerade, sorry if im ataching you somehow, but is just that im a person open to change and i want to be sure that my opinion is the good one, or you opinion is the correct one, i'm a truth searcher, i'm open to a change if its needed, i just need a person to convince me that i'm wrong.
I consider myself, as a conservatove person.
Maybe you don't see the problem as i'm seeing it, or maybe i'm seeing it with the wrong eye.
Look i don't want to get any enemies from this, so if you feel insulted by this and want me to stop this disscussion, ok guys, i will.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:51 am
Gral.Sergius for example, i know someone of my college, that is gay, is not my friend but he is always teasing me to be his boyfriend, and i hate him because he doesn't stop bothering me, but i knew that his past boyfriend was a normal person. So in not saying that Homosexials change the gens of the people, im not saying that they have the capasity of changing the human structure of heterosexual, What i'm saying is that they convince other persons to have sex with them, or not too xtreme, just to be with them or something like that, but people is so hedonist that they don't need to change their gens to agree with those purposes, they just fall before the promise of pleasure and is like, maybe they don't like doing it with other men, but they would like other kinds of pleasure, for that reazon i said that those kinds of search for different pleasures, That gays are fomenting (note, because in the first post many of you misunderstood: not only gays foment that, but they are a part of the origin of the problem) are the ones that leads to the other sexual disorders. (note: i'm not saying that all Gays are *****, just some of them, i like to think that is the very minority) Now pleasure is not wrong, hedonism is wrong, because hedonism, is the exces of all plesures, an hedonist would be a man with insaciable sexual hungry, a hedonist will be a man that likes eating so much and is so fat, a hedonist will be a person who, doesn't matter the circumstances, he wants to have pleasure, Hedonism is the search of all innecesary and destructive pleasures. Hey man, if you have a work to do, and you don't care skipping your work because you're ********, thats hedonism. Hedonism is all destructive or innecesary search of pleasure. not all people who have different sexual desires are hedonists. the only people who can be swayed about their opinions on anything are people who are open to it, you're a perfect example of it. you're immune to the advances of gay men. "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything." and on the Hedonist note... nothing that is derived from religion can be assumed to be right for anyone, let alone EVERYONE. Gral.Sergius Thirdly, Is comproved that the 80% of the children adopted by homosexual couples grow up with psicologic traumas, so i don't really think is a great idea. everyone grows up with some sort of mental trauma. seriously, even I have mental trauma and I came from the statistically normal human family. It's a matter of how we deal with it and what we do about it. I know a boy from a lesbian home... and he's doing quite well. Honor student, popular, unbelievably intellegent, in several school plays and on the Debate team, and enjoying life more than I think I ever could. Gral.Sergius Forthly, Is not that im saying that homosexual, will transform heterosexual in other homosexual, is not lik "OH YEAH with magic i will change your gens" No please don't misunderstan, they convince them to do what they say, so gays are not the problem, hedonism is the problem, and gays are fomenting it, a part of them. repeating yourself to make your points look more varried.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:54 am
Right, points to make.
This guys past boyfriend could not have been "a normal person" in order to date and sleep with a man. They would have had to have had sexual desires towards men, and this is something that can't just be planted in your head and accepted. You can't go against your biology. Attraction is based on hormones, not damned opinion. For example, do women grow beards? No. Because that would be against their biology and based or HORMONES. Yet when a woman has testosterone treatments, they actually get beards and their voice breaks.
Homosexuals do not "convince" people to do anything. I could not convince you to stop growing facial hair could I?
To say that people enjoy pleasure so much they'd resort to homosexuality is bullshit. I know so many guys who are total sex maniacs but would NEVER consider sleeping with a guy. Since when is homosexuality forsaking all other practices in sake of pleasure?
Find me this report. I don't believe your statistics upon children at all. If you're one of these people who believe two parents, male and female are best, you're stupid, because there is NO evidence that the nuclear family is best.
As I said before, gays don't "convince" anyone. People who do not want to be gay will not be gay.
I just believe that your assumption that hedonism and homosexuality are related is hidden with falsities. If you can somehow prove to me that homosexuality increases it, or is responsible for it, I may well take you viewpoint. But until you can, I will not support you at all.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:19 am
Ok man, sorry for all this inconvinience, i'll acep it i'm stupid, and whatever i said is just bullshit, this topic does not make any sence, just report it to gaia to erase it, i don't know, even in my lenguage i have expresion problems, now in english, i need a dictionary to write what i want to, so ok, you're right, all this is bullshit, and i can't show you proves, because all what i have said is knowledge i have gathered from books, teachers opinions, and discovery channel (jejeje wink ), so i can't bring you those books, none, teachers, and i didn't recor those programs, so get laugh of me, i'm a ******** idiot that just say bullshit.
so, sorry for bothring you sweatdrop
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