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If you read "The Hidden Psychology Behind Bleach" you'll know that my friend Panda(AnaKata) and myself believe that Orhime and Chad are in fact a Vaizard and an Arrancar. So now I'm turning it over to you guys, do you think they are? Think I'm wrong? Prove it, give proof why I'm right/wrong, if you want proof from me ask me for it, and I'll give you all the proof you need.

While I don't doubt Kubo is hinting at similarities between the two of them and both races, it really comes down to the simple fact of how a Vaizard and an Arrankar are created. Their bases are that of a shinigami and a hollow respectively, which are both spirits that have lost their physical, mortal bodies.

The only time Orihime and Sado became spiritual essences was when they passed through the gate into Soul Society (unless you count Orihime's out of body experience earlier in the series). Neither of them transformed into anything abnormal to give impression that they changed into something other than spiritually empowered humans. In the case of Sado being an Arrankar, I was under the impression that they either did not occur naturally (or if they did, very rarely), and Aizen used Hogyoku to create the ones we are currently aware of in the manga.

So no, I do not think that they are a Vaizard or an Arrankar. Unless they're some weird living breed that was able to bypass being killed and going through the academy/turn into a hollow, then converting over to the other side one way or another.

And I do believe when Urahara was mentioning shikai and bankai in reference to Sado, he was referring to the relative strength of the attack rather than having an actual shikai or bankai.

I did notice the quotations. However, you referenced having shikai and (being able to obtain) bankai level abilities as a reason why Sado would be an Arrankar. Whether or not someone has a bankai-level attack strength isn't really evidence to suggest anything except just that--the strength of the attack.



At most that hints that Sado is unlike a shinigami or a Quincy, which has been pretty obvious from the beginning. There is no clear indication that Urahara would have finished it with Arrankar or even Vaizard. I wont say that it doesn't lead the reader to think "Oh, maybe he was going to say Arrankar or Vaizard?" since that's what Kubo's intention probably was to do, but many a time manga-ka lead the readers astray so that the real underlying facts come out to be more surprising. (I would have never thought Isshin was a shinigami.) Not saying this is what he's done, only that is a possibility.

And for future reference, please place quotation marks around character quotes so that what you are saying will be more clearly read. I know what you said this time, but one of the next few times might be different.



Similar would be the key word there. That doesn't necessarily make her a real Vaizard.

Though in terms of the barrier, all of Shun Shun Rikka is based upon forming shields to do different tasks. It is possible that because of this Orihime unconsciously has abilities to become immune to certain barriers.



Her powers awakened due to being around Ichigo, yes (and I'm sure being dead for an evening played a factor as well), but she did not gain shinigami-type powers from that. With both Orihime and Sado, their spiritual auras increased due to being involved so much with supernatural phenomenons in general. Their abilities are unique to themselves and as explained up to this point as not being leeched/spliced from both shinigami and Hollow.

When you mention Hollow I am unsure if you mean Acidwire (Orihime's brother), the one at the school, or if you are referring to Ichigo's Hollow side. Though in any case having a Hollow present in whatever form still makes little difference in how Orihime's abilities manifested.

How you get Vaizard that, I don't really understand. If you are referring time of contact, then by default both Orihime and Sado would be a Vaizard due to being around Ichigo and Rukia at school. Of course if Ichigo has to be in soul form in order for the shinigami side to work, then the two of them would be defaulted to Arrankar, as they were attacked first by a Hollow before Ichigo came on the scene.



I wouldn't really call them traits more as just similarities. I cannot think of anything at current about either character that completely lines them up as an Arrankar or a Vaizard.



On a side note before this goes any further, I would like to mention that this debate is not offensive to me because we have a difference of opinions, nor am I becoming angry or even trying to entice anger. If at any time in my writing I sound as if I am angry, then that was unintentional. I do not doubt the possibility that they may have somehow become a Vaizard or an Arrankar somewhere along the way, nor that Kubo will probably spin out some crazy explanation to go along with the unveiling of such information. I'm just saying the information we have at current leads me to believe otherwise than what you theorize.

As far as I am concerned, until it is clearly explained in the manga, neither of us are truely correct or incorrect in theories that may crop up.

I apologize for making it sound like "disease" but contact would have something to do with it in their case, if they are in fact a "Vaizard" or "Arrancar" the contact has something to do with it, no even if they arn't one of the two the contact has everything to do with their power as it is said their powers were "awakened" by Ichigo's uncontroled reiatsu touching their souls.

I forgot a comma, it was meant to say, "You simply said that's what you think(your theory), I am proving my point, if you want to get anywhere with your theory tell us why they are(shamans)."
Also I know what a shaman is as I have relatives who practice shamanism, if you think they are shaman technically Ichigo was a shaman and is when he is in his body as are his sisters.
Also they are in the same class as they have the same traits as them as I also stated.