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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:53 pm
Ok so ive been thinking of this one for a while and there are many we know that like j rock, want to see it grow here, etc however a lot of us dont like the direction its taken for whatever reason. So my question to all of you is, what are our concerns and how can we realistically work together to change that?
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:25 pm
I can't really say I've noticed any real direction Japanese music in America has been going, as there are a bunch of different sort of sects finding popularity with different people. So obviously I can't really give my opinion on the subject. I'm not really sure what you mean with this.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:23 am
Look at it from this perspective, you personally tend to favor a group japanese artists and bands often non visual kei. Often you have expressed frustration that typical j rock fans or people in general tend to only think of visual kei when they hear j rock and you would like to see these other bands gain recognition as well. What is causing this narrow sight on the part of fans in America, and what could be done to combat this? Or what would you like to see done?
From my angle I personally like both visual and non visual kei music, however any time I see something promoted or go to a table at a convention, its allways the same people, (panels at cons are even more disappointing) I, as a fan that wants a means to branch out am frustrated by this and so I would like to get organized and form a group that either can work to combat this or collectively work to expand the awareness of sorts.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:30 pm
I've done two panels at cons. One wasn't mine, but I got to stick in a few words about non vk/lesser-known visual, and promote the Melt Banana show that week. The other consisted of only my friend and me, so we got to take it wherever we wanted. We tried to cover as many aspects of Japanese Rock as we could. Visual was only a small part. About your question though, I know that what you usually come across on the Internet/at conventions are the same three bands, or the same five indies bands. All visual. Of course, I don't like this. But there isn't really a big part of me that feels the need to go out and change it. Of course, I'd be very glad if I had a chance to do another panel, and maybe fix it up even more. And I do try to "expand the awareness", as you said, to some extent. Lastly, I even have a fansite for my favorite band, Guruguru Eigakan. ( http://soda.melonchannel.com ) I just don't have the drive/desire to start something big. Do you have a more concrete project in mind? This could be interesting.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:59 am
Right now, I dont have anything planned, I more or less wanted to see if I could in the meantime try to either jump start some idea or explore what possibilities if anything are out there. Someone had suggested to me that I try to run a panel at a convention because they thought I knew a lot about j rock, but in the grand scheme of things, I dont know nearly as much as others, and the extent of the variety of bands i know isnt nearly as large as i would like. I think the last time i was at a panel, my personal focus was mostly surrounding purchasing albums and where to safely buy legal copies and to fight agains dealers that were ripping off fans with bootlegs and Korean or Taiwan releases and selling them at the japanese prices.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:01 pm
Well, first of all, I forgot to mention, that some "ideas" like this are doomed from the start. For instance, the "jrock convention". Of course, it's a visual kei convention, but they don't mention that, so it only added to the "ew Japanese rock is all about guys in makeup playing s**t music" stereotype. Er, I mean it wasn't exactly successful. So, probably something big like that wouldn't work out as intended.
That said, I think running a panel would be great! No matter how much of a "beginner" you may think you are, you already know tons more than most people who run "jrock panels". I'm serious, most of them are just about pre-2002 visual, and full of misinformation.
One of the best panels I've been to, really gave me what I wanted to hear at the moment - I was interested in how shows were in Japan, and part of the focus of the panel was on live-going in Japan. Getting tickets, all the procedures, etc. It was quite interesting, since there are tons of things different from the way it is here.
Purchasing legal merchandise is also a great thing to talk about. For instance, you have lots of people living in California and NYC who don't even know about BookOff - which is pretty much the greatest resource I know for legally buying cheap Japanese CDs. (It's a used book/CD/manga shop.) Many people complain about CDs costing too much and don't have a clue that a place like BookOff has entire $3 CD sections.
Er, bottom line - most people's idea of a panel these days is showing a bunch of Dir en grey videos, some Malice Mizer, Gackt, and for "variety", maybe Pierrot or Penicillin. And without a doubt, they will say that Japanese rock began with X-Japan.
It's not that hard of a task to look this information up beforehand, and cover actual topics in a panel that may be (and probably are) of interest to people. If you want to do it, all you need is the desire to inform people (or at least, not mis-inform them.) There's only so much you can cover in a panel - and if you're worried about not knowing the essentials, you can ask for help and opinions at places like this guild. (Er, sorry for guild-pimping biggrin )
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:45 pm
A panel covering how shows are run in japan, what typically goes on in terms of how the band interacts in general with fans, how fans act at shows, which is very different from here, i think all that would be interesting to learn about.
Touching upon where to buy cd's such as book off (I have been to the NY store twice) or reliable online vendors I think has an immediate need, if only to cut down on bootlegs.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:42 pm
I would like to know where to actually buy the CD's In america, My mall has them and there was a big Openeing day, but damn Everyone like bought somthing other then the Cd's (THey dont sell them anymore) anyway, I've noticed that people from AMerica, That dont like J-rock and know exactly what it is and like it.They think they need somthing cool and new and hip..from the greatess place in the freakin world, But they buy somthing from ENgland or Scotland, or what ever.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:35 pm
kaciyome I've noticed that people from AMerica, That dont like J-rock and know exactly what it is and like it.They think they need somthing cool and new and hip..from the greatess place in the freakin world, But they buy somthing from ENgland or Scotland, or what ever. Excuse me?
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:15 pm
Hm, well for me personally, I love J-rock, and would like to have more J-rock available to buy here in America [overseas shipping from Japan is a b***h], HOWEVER, I don't want to see J-Rock becoming some kind of stupid trend here in America among mall goths and scene kids. I'm sure there are those who fit into those categories, enjoy J-Rock, and can support the bands for who they are and not just because 'Japan is cool, anything that comes out of Japan must be trendy and awesome to wear/listen to/do!" But for the most part, I can't see that as being the majority of people in those groups, and I would hate for J-Rock to turn into the next Hello Kitty trend [ToT; why'd they make her so trendy?] or something.
Take a look at Dir en Grey for example. I don't so much care for them anymore, since they're trying [embarrassingly hard] to sway from the experimental music to something more radio friendly [if you will], and just poppy. But since they started their American tour, Hot Topic has been spitting out Japanese rock magazines left and right, and suddenly everyone and their half sister's brother twice removed, is becoming obsessed with Japan, and 'this amazing new Japanese rock band' Dir en Grey.
I went to see Diru play in Chicago in February and was throughly disappointed, as planned. I had expected them to at least play a few songs from their older albums, but who was I kidding? They're touring America to gain fans and make more money, not try to show off who they used to be. But as I stood there, I noticed that the place was packed FULL of underage children, most in middle school and high school [maybe around 9-11th grade]. I'm not trying to bash on anyone in the guild who's still in high school and liked their old stuff, blah de blah, whatever. Point being, all these little children probably had NO idea who Dir en Grey used to be, and only decided to listen to them, and even attend the show because Hot Topic supported them with magazines and T-shirts, and because it just became the next trendy and hip [as other people have mentioned] thing.
I would really REALLY hate to see more Japanese rock music become something like this. There are fortunately, a lot of Americans and Europeans who listen to J-Rock, and can appreciate the music for more than just the visual aspects of it. There are people who either know Japanese and can understand the lyrics that are being sung, or who take the time to find the translations and try to find out what message that band is trying to give to its audience. But unfortunately, there are a s**t load of Americans and Europeans that don't do that, and who only want to listen to something because it's trendy and looks cool.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:38 am
I'm Asian so it plays in with my culture. You see I'm Mauritian so the music I grew up with were from the alternative world and rock genre. There was also a bit of r n' b and hip-hop thrown in. The direction J-rock's gone is normal. Ayoma in Tokyo Japan, cosplay bridge for example, for years J-rock bands and cosplay happens there all the time. The shift wasn't a big deal because it's not an act or a scene.
You have to take a look and see a scene, J-pop's a scene. They follow strict measures just like mall people and Goths, there has to be something. J-rock doesn't it follows what is put in it. That's why visual kei is a scene and J-rock isn't. J-rock bands who are towards visual kei are scenic bands but ones that don't aren't.
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