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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2026 7:07 am
This is The Apostles' Creed, another ancient Christian creed:
I believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; he descended into hell; on the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting.
Amen.
Let's chat about Jesus descending into hell. mrgreen
Have any thoughts?
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2026 1:04 pm
No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2026 8:29 pm
He went to preach to those in Sheol, no?
New International Version 1984 Revelation 6:9-11 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
I'm not exactly sure if this is precisely where it happens but I know (my master taught me) that the altar in heaven is the same as the altar on earth, or the other way around. They both have a portal to Sheol. That's why they pour the blood at the base of the altar. It goes somewhere else, otherwise the surrounding area of Yahweh's temple would have had gallons upon gallons of blood in the soil, and in the stone, and just everywhere. But I digress. (I hope this isn't too gruesome.)
Go back to Gensis where Yahweh has to check to see where Abel is, and says his blood cries out from the ground. It was calling for justice, from Sheol. Pull a bit forward where Yahweh says don't eat the blood because the life is in it. Jesus, through his blood went to Sheol (Abraham was taken there to see his ancestors when given the promise, btw) he was there for three days the entered the first ever doorway to heaven from Sheol, and then was anointed and placed as high priest forever. Basically. He can reanimate his human body, with wounds still fully mortal. "Place your hand into my side.." feel my organs, Thomas. Etc.
He's full power now, and yet to come to conquer.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2026 7:41 am
Servant Of Yashua He went to preach to those in Sheol, no? New International Version 1984 Revelation 6:9-11 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed. I'm not exactly sure if this is precisely where it happens but I know (my master taught me) that the altar in heaven is the same as the altar on earth, or the other way around. They both have a portal to Sheol. That's why they pour the blood at the base of the altar. It goes somewhere else, otherwise the surrounding area of Yahweh's temple would have had gallons upon gallons of blood in the soil, and in the stone, and just everywhere. But I digress. (I hope this isn't too gruesome.) Go back to Gensis where Yahweh has to check to see where Abel is, and says his blood cries out from the ground. It was calling for justice, from Sheol. Pull a bit forward where Yahweh says don't eat the blood because the life is in it. Jesus, through his blood went to Sheol (Abraham was taken there to see his ancestors when given the promise, btw) he was there for three days the entered the first ever doorway to heaven from Sheol, and then was anointed and placed as high priest forever. Basically. He can reanimate his human body, with wounds still fully mortal. "Place your hand into my side.." feel my organs, Thomas. Etc. He's full power now, and yet to come to conquer. That's an interesting interpretation and understanding of Sheol. I'll have to look into it more. But yes, my understanding is that Jesus descended into Sheol/Hades.
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2026 8:20 pm
Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2026 9:01 am
Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏 I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2026 4:54 pm
Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏 I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 11:00 am
Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏 I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding That's a very coherent and interesting harmonization of two seemingly contradictory views of the afterlife, my friend.
What I will say is that I view the shift in the Jewish understanding of Sheol and death as theological development. We might call it "progressive revelation". By the time of Second Temple Judaism (the time of Jesus), there were multiple branches of belief. The Sadducees, for example, did not believe in the resurrection of the body, or in angels, or the prophets. The Pharisees, however, did. I'm sure you know this already. ^_^
My point about the various branches of Jewish belief is that by the time of Jesus' day there wasn't really a singular idea about the afterlife that every Jewish group agreed upon.
I'll have to think about your harmonization some more. 3nodding
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 4:51 pm
Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏 I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding That's a very coherent and interesting harmonization of two seemingly contradictory views of the afterlife, my friend.
What I will say is that I view the shift in the Jewish understanding of Sheol and death as theological development. We might call it "progressive revelation". By the time of Second Temple Judaism (the time of Jesus), there were multiple branches of belief. The Sadducees, for example, did not believe in the resurrection of the body, or in angels, or the prophets. The Pharisees, however, did. I'm sure you know this already. ^_^
My point about the various branches of Jewish belief is that by the time of Jesus' day there wasn't really a singular idea about the afterlife that every Jewish group agreed upon.
I'll have to think about your harmonization some more. 3nodding
Jesus did call out the Sadducees on their view. He told them they were in error.
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 5:23 pm
Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops No takers on Jesus descending, eh?
How about I start it off. There are New Testament Scriptures that point to this: 1 Peter 3:18-20; 1 Peter 4:6; possibly Ephesians 4:8-10.
So, my question is: who did He preach to? I've heard the argument that He preached to people in Abraham's Bosom (a place from a parable in the Gospel of Luke), the righteous dead.
I'm not sure that that fits with the context of 1 Peter 3:18-20, however, since it mentions spirits in prison who once were disobedient in the days of Noah. And I believe that, contextually, 1 Peter 4:6 is likely referring to this event as well, but it may also extend beyond that event.
But what are your thoughts?
Just a couple thoughts, im going to take a step back from what I know and try to approach this with you little by little with scripture. For now I have a sort of pairing for 1 Peter 4:6. Psalm 88:12 calls it the land of forgetfulness. And Psalm 6:5 andIsaiah 38:18-19 says noone can praise God from there. Ecclesiastes says there is no work or wisdom. (Now drawing closer to what I know) Now to attempt to link it to the idea that Jesus went down there to preach. Theres my verse from revelation where it shows that they have knowledge enough of a certain thing happening that they can ask God how much longer till it happens. And Luke 24:45 states "then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (This was when he appears to his disciples after coming back from the dead) So he could go to the and of forgetfulness and open their minds to what's to come so that they begin to wait after he ascends to heaven. I'd be interested to see what you find on your own too.. I think ill slow down a bit for that. But if there's anything you want to ask of me from that perspective I would gladly focus on that and try to find supporting scripture. I just got home from work and I was looking forward to seeing your response. 🤭 and I apologize if my thoughts come out scattered. 🙏 I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding That's a very coherent and interesting harmonization of two seemingly contradictory views of the afterlife, my friend.
What I will say is that I view the shift in the Jewish understanding of Sheol and death as theological development. We might call it "progressive revelation". By the time of Second Temple Judaism (the time of Jesus), there were multiple branches of belief. The Sadducees, for example, did not believe in the resurrection of the body, or in angels, or the prophets. The Pharisees, however, did. I'm sure you know this already. ^_^
My point about the various branches of Jewish belief is that by the time of Jesus' day there wasn't really a singular idea about the afterlife that every Jewish group agreed upon.
I'll have to think about your harmonization some more. 3nodding
Jesus did call out the Sadducees on their view. He told them they were in error. I didn't know that was in question?
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 7:43 pm
Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding That's a very coherent and interesting harmonization of two seemingly contradictory views of the afterlife, my friend.
What I will say is that I view the shift in the Jewish understanding of Sheol and death as theological development. We might call it "progressive revelation". By the time of Second Temple Judaism (the time of Jesus), there were multiple branches of belief. The Sadducees, for example, did not believe in the resurrection of the body, or in angels, or the prophets. The Pharisees, however, did. I'm sure you know this already. ^_^
My point about the various branches of Jewish belief is that by the time of Jesus' day there wasn't really a singular idea about the afterlife that every Jewish group agreed upon.
I'll have to think about your harmonization some more. 3nodding
Jesus did call out the Sadducees on their view. He told them they were in error. I didn't know that was in question?
I may have misunderstood what you said. I apologize. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2026 10:00 am
Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops Servant Of Yashua Scarlet_Teardrops I hope work went well for you, my friend. 3nodding
From what I can tell - your argument is that normally, the dead have no awareness or understanding, but when Jesus went down He awakened their understanding and awareness? Would that be correct?
I have things to say but I want to make sure I understand you clearly.
Yus. 3nodding That's a very coherent and interesting harmonization of two seemingly contradictory views of the afterlife, my friend.
What I will say is that I view the shift in the Jewish understanding of Sheol and death as theological development. We might call it "progressive revelation". By the time of Second Temple Judaism (the time of Jesus), there were multiple branches of belief. The Sadducees, for example, did not believe in the resurrection of the body, or in angels, or the prophets. The Pharisees, however, did. I'm sure you know this already. ^_^
My point about the various branches of Jewish belief is that by the time of Jesus' day there wasn't really a singular idea about the afterlife that every Jewish group agreed upon.
I'll have to think about your harmonization some more. 3nodding
Jesus did call out the Sadducees on their view. He told them they were in error. I didn't know that was in question?
I may have misunderstood what you said. I apologize. sweatdrop No problem! heart
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Scarlet_Teardrops Captain
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