Welcome to Gaia! ::

Tru
BUT WHAT ABOUT HAGOROMO EH?
he's the real dickbutt, he's like 'yo Asura you can b my heir lol bye' *dies* Indra like 'wat. WAT.'
I would be salty 2, I mean come on Indra was decent until the huge family rift.
HAGOROMO patented WAR BRINGS PEACE™

But seriously Tobirama be like 'hmmmm what can I do to make the world a safer place...hmmmmm I KNOW, ZOMBIES, PERFECT.' Enslaving dead beings to your will, not questionable at all!

PLEASE DO THIS

PLEASE.

Only one I can consider the worst would be Haku's father.

Jiraiya might actually suck in that capacity tho because even though he's his godfather he just ditched town when Kushina and Minato died and Naruto was raised in an orphanage. That's actually pretty shitty I don't even think he had a good reason.

Oh Hashirama got Tsunade addicted to gambling when she was like 5 and that has haunted her her entire adult life so he probably counts too.

Also Hiashi kind of disowned Hinata before she even graduated so I guess he counts too.

Oh and Kakashi's dad killed himself so there's that.

ALSO WE CAN'T FORGET SASUKE HOLY ******** SASUKE. d**k didn't even know what his ******** 12 year old daughter looked like what the hell.

Fatherhood : Not even once.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, ease up for a second. You all are coming down way too hard on Tobirama. Everything he did either wasn't that bad, or was justified at the time.

First of all, you blame him for killing Izuna, while In a War? What did you honestly expect him to do? Should he have sacrificed his own life so Izuna could live and Madara wouldn't get all pissy? It's not like Tobirama covertly poisoned the dude either, he straight up defeated him in an honorable one on one fight. And Madara wouldn't have been an issue if Hashirama had just let Tobirama take him out. Most of the Uchiha had already defected at that point anyways, so there was no need to keep Madara around. Tobirama would have been the hero for killing the main villain of the show.

As to your other points, all of those issues can actually be attributed to to none other than Hiruzen Sarutobi.

Sure Tobirama's zombie jutsu wasn't the best idea, but he stopped using it once the village was founded, and locked it away so no one else could use it. Of course, once Hiruzen comes around, all security on the forbidden scrolls goes to s**t. Naruto, who wasn't even a proper ninja at the time, was able to steal a secret scroll under Hiruzen's watch. Hell, I'm sure Hiruzen probably just gave the zombie jutsu to Orochimaru when he asked for it.

And then there's the Uchiha. They clearly weren't integrating properly, so Tobirama gave them a position that utilized their abilities while also filling a vital role for the village. It strengthened the village while allowing the Uchiha retain their clan identity. Was it a perfect choice? No. But it was the best choice available, and that's what defines Tobirama. He makes the hard choices when nobody else can or will.

And you'll notice that the Uchiha did fine while Tobirama was around. Of course once Hiruzen gets there everything crumbles. It was his poor leadership that caused the rift to form between the Uchiha and the village, and lead to their unrest and eventual massacre. Let's not forget that Hiruzen was also the one who
-sent Obito on the mission that turned him evil
-trained Orochimaru, fostered his delusions of grandeur, and then let him escape
-allowed Danzo to form root and subvert the safety of the village.


If anything, Tobirama was the only Hokage to effectively run the village. Hashirama was too self-sacrificing, Hiruzen was too weak-willed and laissez faire, Minato died too young, and Tsunade didn't have the strength to protect the village.
Tobirama was the Hokage Konoha needed.

Really!? Really!?!?! I don't know what kind of utopia you come from, but I'm pretty sure when you are in a ******** war you don't treat the enemy as a sparring partner. You don't think Izuna was trying to kill Tobirama too? Oh no, and I'm sure all of Tobirama's and Izuna's younger brothers were killed in "sparring accidents". It was all just fun and games until hundreds of people were accidentally stabbed to death in sparring mishaps.

Tobirama gave the Uchiha responsibility and the opportunity to help the village, which was publicly a sign that he trusted them. They weren't restricted to just the police either. Tobirama had an Uchiha on his team just before he died. And Itachi's issues with ANBU happened decades after Tobirama's death, and only occurred because Hiruzen let their relationship with the village go to s**t.

As far as Hiruzen and Danzo go, they did function as a team while Tobirama was around. He did everything he could to mold them into honorable ninjas, and both showed promise while he was alive, but you can't honestly expect him to change their underlying personalities. He gave them every opportunity to be great, and they failed.

And speaking of Hiruzen, I never said he didn't have good intentions. I agree he wanted to treat the village like a family, but he failed as a leader because he was weak willed and couldn't accomplish anything.

-Letting Itachi massacre a whole clan isn't a sign he was good. Thats an act of cowardice. He let many innocent people die, and let Itachi take all the blame, because he failed to maintain a relationship with the Uchiha.

-Yes, one of his students trained good ninja, be the other one (his favorite) went on to become a child killing psychopath, which he did absolutely nothing to stop. And lets not forget that many of Jiraya's views were formed during his travels away from Hiruzen, while Orochimaru stayed in the village and Hiruzen for a long wanted him to be the next Hokage.

-For someone who thought of he village as his family, Hiruzen certainly let a lot of young orphans live on their own...