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Admittedly, that was out of line of me. I was pretty angry about a couple of things and I was a little a little annoyed that you had dropped the character. That doesn't justify what I said or did or how I felt though and I will actively, sincerely and honestly apologize for lashing towards you and Hanecco.

Like I have said - I'm angry - and to be honest, everyone keeps moaning at me about the fact you and Hanecco sit and do your own thing. Jack has. Brandon has. We all have. It's all you two seem to do and it's why no one wants to plot with you. For the same reason that no one wants to approach me at the moment because I am unapproachable, you guys are unapproachable but in a different way. You guys even made an unapproved NPC to interact with Talia instead of throwing her somewhere there was a possibility. You guys have ignored important stuff too. Klayko tried to make activity for you two specifically and nothing happened of it. It was frustrating to watch but I shouldn't have been like I was.

And once again, I will make this clear, it's not about your characters in terms with Hanecco it's about you guys as RPers. I know Graham's not going to date Charlie and have acknowledged as such. That's not the issue and is a moot point.

No one wants to take you up on it. So, I tried to moderate fairly in the mod forum and it seemed as if I was being ignored also. So, with things getting on my case I lashed out. It wasn't okay. Fair enough.

It was not okay for me to do that. I don't hate apologies. I hate insincere apologies. There is a difference. I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I didn't say it because I did. It wasn't okay. And to be honest, I totally forgot about it once I had said it. It was one of those things I just let out and can't put back in.

That's all there is to it.

Also, this could have went in the sorting our s**t out post. Just saying.

Edit: Also this is not a dig at your lifestyle choice like Bradon's was. This was a dig at your actions if anything. I suppose it must have been. I have nothing against LGBT. So it wouldn't be a lifestyle dis but about how you and Hane do what you wonna do.

1. I have just held myself to the standard and admitted I was wrong. I haven't once defended myself. I have explained myself.
2. Ron himself and many others have said you did what you did not just me. So please, keep making it out to be my fabrication. That's not the point here. This isn't about me and you. I had to make sure Ron was alright in another chat. I can screen cap too, it isn't hard and I'm not going to be so immature as to do it to give you some sort of satisfaction. You did wrong, be a man about it and take it on the chin like you're expecting me to do (and btw I am doing).
3. It's only Homophobic if you mean it as a slur towards Homosexuality or in a derogitory manner towards Homosexuality. E.G: Gay being a pseudonym for shitty or crappy, Lesbians are going to hell and the like. You get my jist. I could have said that if me and my girlfriend were always together that "she needs to stop sucking my d**k" that doesn't make me Heterophobic now, does it? No. It doesn't. I meant it in a way regarding the persons involved not the lifestyle itself. What I said was wrong but I'm not having it waved around as something it isn't. That's both wrong AND stupid.

I wasn't dragging people under, I was being honest. I feel as if now if I do anything to go "Yeah I did wrong... This contributed to the problem" you're going to jump on it. Just deal with yourself and be mature. I have actually said I am sorry for this. What else am I supposed to do? Now you're just being unreasonable.

I know Jack has. I talk to Jack 24/7, she doesn't need to be thrown under the bus for doing it. Honestly, she’s probably complained to me more about it than to you, and she actually admitted that to me, but that’s because she wants to interact with my character. And rightfully so; I want that Batman and Robin aesthetic as much as the next nerd and they really gotta interact to get past the walls both have constructed to keep each other out.
However, things keep coming up that prevent that to happen, like the Justice League reformation or people taking weeks to respond, so it hasn't really worked out save two occasions that I had orchestrated.

Hani and I naturally write together because where is everyone else? No one posts anything about plotting, no one’s open. For a while it was just Hani and I posting together and then, when the JL was announced, everyone crawled out of the woodwork and has now fallen silent.

We don’t mind branching out and rping with others; frankly we’d love that, because yeah, it does get really old roleplaying with the same character over and over.
The only issue is there are hardly any opportunities to because of:
A. No activity/members vanishing
B. People are gathered elsewhere
C. No one plots
D. No…Anything, really. There needs to be mini plots or something to catch attention all around.


Let me handle this in pieces....

A. Where is everyone? We have 159 members but only 10 or so seem to be active. This is why I only interact with Hani half the time because where is everyone? Someone needs to seriously prune out all the inactive members so we can see what we’re really working with rather than riding the coattails of a false amount of “members.”

B. People are tossed everywhere and anywhere with the majority of the active members at the Justice League mini event in Washington DC instead of an even dispersal, and now the majority of them might all be heading to Central City. We can, at this point, only interact with people in Gotham, and aside from the GCPD thing a month or so back, it’s only been Hani and I posting there. How are we supposed to interact with anyone else when it’s just us?

C. Kinda speaks for itself. I’m not saying plots are essential to everything, but no one even puts out like, “hey does anyone wanna strike up an idea?” That isn’t my job to do because people (Hani, Jack, Clint, etc.) already approach me about that stuff. I wouldn’t mind doing it with Talia and Rowan, but this goes back to A: where is everyone?

D. What happened to that NPC villain system that was in the works? That would be incredibly helpful if creating more activity is what everyone wants because aside from two legacies—two good guys—duking it out in Central, there really are no villains because they’re pretty much at a stalemate. They aren’t gathering and discussing ways to take down heroes. I think there are only like five canon villains actually? I don’t know, but it’s a small number, and most of us can’t do much. I don’t even know what happened to all the non-canon ones because they vanished like everyone else.

It is not the members’ jobs to keep activity going like you keep insisting we somehow do; this job falls to the mods. You’re all expected to keep things interesting, to have ideas out there, to keep the ball rolling, especially you as captain. You moderate, you manage. Yes, the members are of huge importance because they need to participate, but when there’s nothing to participate in, what can be done?

If the mods keep things interesting and entertaining, keep mini plots going, keep ideas flowing, then activity rises because members are interested in what’s going on and all the opportunities they have and want to participate. Activity rises, things flourish, more members join, activity keeps rising and then we’re no longer beating a dead horse.

Telling the members to get their s**t together or you’ll shut the place down won’t solve anything. Actually actively creating more things to get involved in does, as well as opening another recruit thread in the guild network. The panel of mods has to be the most active members of a guild or it falls to pieces, just like it has now.



Moving along…

We didn’t know. No one told us it was aimed at us. We figured it was some way for you guys to break Augustus Winter’s character out of prison because I’m sure it’s pretty crummy to be stuck there when you wanna write about all the mayhem you can make. This all goes back to point C up above; no one plots, no one communicates about this stuff.

I don’t barge into other roleplays unless I know I’m invited to because the last thing I want to do is bust into some meticulous plot someone threw together with some people and look like an a** and ruin it. I like to discuss plots, I like to add depth to things, I don’t like to just throw myself at people already having something going on.

Now if you and/or Klayko said to us, “Hey, we’re gonna break into the precinct and we want BG and Rob there. Not sure what’s gonna go down, but is that cool?” I’d be like OH shoot, hell yeah that’s cool. Instead we’re quoted by I think just one person, and it’s a game of “is that for our attention because they want us there or is that so that we know what’s going on parallel to what we’re doing so we know what’s happened?”
Communication is always key and it hasn’t been in this guild.


That’s the only thing we’ve ignored. Remember, Hani, Augustus, and I started that huge blitz at the Gotham Docks that went on for a while and a handful of members, such as yourself, got in on it, even if briefly. We noted the jail break in our posts though, as we did with the Justice League reunion, to show we’re informed and reading about what’s going on around us, because the JL is something Batgirl and Robin aren’t a part of.


So far, five people aside from Hani have approached me to plot; Augustus, Jack, Clint, Draga, and Cloud. The first one went off without a hitch (The Gotham Docks fiasco), the second two are still in the works but are constantly going on and growing, and the last two I have no power over because it involves the Titans and I have no idea what’s happening there, so there wasn’t much I could do, but am still willing to do something. I have also approached Klayko about plotting and we spoke briefly, but I haven’t received an answer in some time, so I hope everything is alright on their end.

Maybe you just find us unapproachable, but above sort of says otherwise.



The matter of Talia was that I wanted to illustrate her goals and power and the lengths she was willing to go to achieve it. Hani kindly made an NPC to play along, but will we ever see that senator again? Probably not. Where else could I have sent her though? I remember briefly speaking to you about the two al Ghuls meeting, but you said that Ra’s was occupied with Green Arrow, and it was left at that, because who else was there?
She isn’t a huge boss villain like Doomsday or Sinestro; for all intents and purposes, she looks like an ordinary (overly gorgeous) woman that no one except someone whose faced her before would be able to call her out on. And even then, it’d be pretty suspicious if a hero started beating up a seemingly unsuspecting, inconspicuous civilian woman. She’s an assassin and tactician, not a straight up fighter. She fights, sure, but usually when all else fails.

By all means, she’s done nothing illegal per say, so how could she be fought and by who because Batman was and still is busy, and he’s the only hero who’d really know her.
I’d be more than happy to have her interact with other villains, but where are they?


As for the NPC, I’m sorry about that since I asked Hani if she would do me the honor of constructing said NPC. I didn’t know we needed them to be authorized since I’d seen someone using two NPCs and I thought it was a normal thing to just to make them since they didn’t matter much. Plus, I figured writing family members was like writing NPCs, and since everyone has done that, I thought it was alright to make a completely separate-from-posts character in the form of an NPC.

But those are all just my two cents on the matter.




Back to my actual reasoning for this debate thread….
I didn’t drop Rowan, I just shelved him for the moment and said I’d get back to him later as I intend to do. I love his character immensely; I could never part with him, but I digress.

But you’re right. Nothing can excuse that behavior. It sucks that things and people and such are getting on your nerves, but you’re the captain; your behavior sets an example, and when you do stuff like that? Like what you said about me? It ain’t pretty. Even if it was behind my back, this should prove that incredibly cruel things will find their way back to people whether you want it to or not because people with strong moral compasses will find these vulgar things wrong and will want it to be mended.

This is also not my “lifestyle choice.” I’m queer, I didn’t decide to be like it’s some choice. It’s just how I am and I’m happy with it.



Brandon is absolutely right in saying you need to hold yourself to the standards you set if you’re going to be captain, because things like this? Vulgar and derogatory comments about a guild member’s relationship? That’s something no one should experience, especially from someone whose supposed oversee everything. People expect the captain to be considerate, unbiased, and helpful, not angry and seemingly uncaring as to whether or not the guild survives.
Running a guild or roleplay as captain or main mod can be hard as all hell. Members can be tedious, things can go majorly wrong, you get blamed for these things... I've been there, it sucks, it really does because things can feel so impossible—people can feel so impossible—but I never exploded at anyone over it because that's just not what you're supposed to do. I kept my cool, I worked stuff out, I made it fun and talked with my mods about ways to do just that. Mini plots, small holiday events, etc. Ways to get everyone involved, ways to get people actively participating.
Sure, all guilds and roleplays die eventually, but this ones still got some mileage left in her and it's going to waste. Getting angry and giving up, being rude to members even if they may be snide to begin with or, hell, even when they're not... Combating this type of behavior is the one way to start making a change in the guild in the positive direction.

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Before I say anything, the following is a summary of my personal experience followed by justified opinions of what I feel the best method to proceed forward is. I encourage all to read, as this is directed toward no individual on a personal basis.

Most of this debate, aside from Achi appears to have been largely between mods to my understanding. As a member, I agree wholly with everything Achi has said thus far, I would love to this guild stay open. To be honest, I was overjoyed when I found it. It felt like I had finally found a good RP that really functioned like a family. Even with a handful of the snide remarks I'd seen in the skype chat, I brushed them aside because as Roxas stated previously: "We're all human." I let them go time and time again, and they weren't anything overly offensive, no, but rude belittlement tends to build over time until I realized "This is just a rude, inconsiderate person in general." Further issues continued to develop to enforce these views and if anything, they only grew worse and worse with time, even when instead of just "whining and bitching" I provided well-thought out examples as to how a handful of these issues could be resolved, on top of sticking up for a friend who I felt was being wronged in nearly every sense of the word (they may come forth if they wish, however I will not be naming names at any point). When doing so I was simply met with "That won't work because of (insert superficial unimportant reasons here)." As well as "They're just ungrateful and stupid" followed by other personal insults I care not to share. Keep in mind, there was zero logical basis for the former comments. Okay, I tried to lend a helping hand and had it promptly shoved in my face, now I know to keep my mouth shut. Then it dawned on me why others haven't done the same, because ultimately it got nobody anywhere, and if my friend wasn't personally insulted, I probably wouldn't have said anything either.

So again, I bit the bullet and tried to make the best of it. Yes I voiced my opinions, but the only reason I stopped is because they were falling on deaf ears so I decided to not waste my time further. Low and behold a short time later another member of the mod crew decided to handle a situation with a problem member in an outright rude, and disrespectful way. Instead of seeing this as an embarrassment and reprimanding them accordingly, the captain decided to not only look the other way, but jump in and help fuel the fire. Plain and simple, there are just some things you don't say. Period. No exceptions. End of story. Any person in a position of power who cannot maintain enough self control to show respect towards others and ensure their team of mods can do the same, should not be in any position of power, or be dealing with people in general.

These experiences reminded me of how I saw mod dealings being done in a Naruto guild I was in growing up, WoTS. It came as no surprise when I made the connection between the problems occurring here, as well as what I saw in my time in WoTS. The other thing the two guilds have in common is that both made the experience so unbearable to the point where I quit. Its quite sad that members (I know I'm not the only one) have either quit, or strongly contemplated quitting, based on the actions of a small select few. The more depressing part is how it will never change as long as the ones calling the shots stay where they are.

How can I be sure things won't change? Its actually quite simple. When I thought about returning I reached out to a friend and asked if the mod situation had gotten any better in the months I'd been away. Much to my surprise they told me things for the most part had improved, so I decided to give things yet another chance. Low and behold only a mere few hours after having a brand new profile accepted, I'm sitting here making my first post back about how the very same issues that caused me to leave are running rampant still. The people here love this guild, I consider myself one of them, but I will not continue to stick around if these issues persist further and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

In closing, I propose Uchiha Roxas step down as captain and give the role to someone more suited to keep things going and that can behave more appropriately, as what is to be expected of a captain. If you want to make the choice yourself that's perfectly fine, if not let the community vote on it. Personally, I have a handful of people I would like to mention that as a member, have made the experience a good one for me and others and that I feel would excel given the chance. My first choice would be Jack (The Master Time Lord). In every instance where we've had dealings with one another, they have always been pleasant. I never once felt uncomfortable bringing issues to her attention and in my experience I've observed her being nothing less than helpful, informed, level-headed, open-minded, just, fair, selfless, and unbiased, all qualities a good captain should have. I know we all have a fair amount going on in our personal lives but I've never seen her crack under pressure, or let it affect her decisions as a moderator, which is something the guild desperately needs. Her self control and sensitivity to others needs I feel will help move the guild forward in a big way. My second suggestion would be Groganofthewasteland. Starting out, he was my "go to" for a variety of reasons. He's sharp, level-headed, just, and fair himself, always willing to work through to the end of a problem to solve it. The two both share a willingness to help and are overall just respectable people. Also, before anyone decides to mention the obvious, I'm fully aware Gro is no longer a moderator, but that doesn't change my views towards him in that light. In one of the blow outs last year he was appointed briefly as captain following a tantrum and I said my own private hallelujah that was sadly short lived. But alas, I digress. I've given my piece as asked of me, and said far more than I wanted to say. That being said, I'd appreciate this not being quoted, as it in no way was directed as a personal attack towards anyone and I've said all I wish to say in the eyes of the public. I shared my experience, proposed a solution, and did my best to reinforce it. If there are any questions feel free to PM me or message me via skype, but I have no intention of entering a full blown debate, continuing to beat the same dead horse. I hope this was helpful at least, but I'm signing off for now. I hope good things lay on the horizon, because I have nothing but good hopes for the future of this guild.

-PK