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when im asked i usually deliver edits, as long as its something i missed from the actual request
but has any commissioner ever asked you to edit because of technique issues, or bad anatomy?
its happened to me before that i cant help but notice anatomy issues in pieces i buy, but i feel so bad for pointing it out i just bite my tongue crying
esp once the piece is finished... one might say that you're paying for it so you deserve the best but...
gaia_spoons is fake gold really worth implying an artist's technique is sub par?
gaia_spoons do you feel that being an artist yourself enables you to see these error better/entitles you to complain about them?
gaia_spoons would you complain if the delivered product looks nothing like the samples?
gaia_spoons would you refuse to pay if they refused to edit?
gaia_spoons would you ask them to redo the entire thing because the anatomy is so off it makes viewing uncomfortable?
gaia_spoons and if so, would you do it only for the hq art, or any offsetting art that came your way?
gaia_spoons or would you do this for RLC only, or for RLC and gold?

just wondering ahaha, i was browsing my old art folder and found some examples of art i regretted buying a bit emo
when i ask for edits its for the characters appearance, not for the technique per se
because i dunno it just makes me feel bad crying
but if it were rlc id make damn sure what i bought looked like the samples ahaha rlc is srs business
it does annoy me that drawing has made my art standards rise crying i feel bad if i buy/deliver anatomically incorrect art nowadays...

I haven't had too much trouble with people asking for edits except when I mess up hardcore lol. Like this one time I derped so badly I drew an entirely different character. <_<;;;;; As for anatomy, I tend to notice them before the client does and I end up editing it myself without any prompt. Usually, I'm satisfied however.
I tend to be more willing to do edits for RLC.

I actually have not bought art yet because I don't have a set character/design. Hypothetically, I would ask for a redo if the anatomy is incredibly off. But my standards are super high though. >_<;;;

Ooooh interesting topic!!!

Okay so I've never bought art off anyone (I'm one of those weird artists that doesn't actively seek art of their characters) but from an artist's perspective, I'll do edits if I'm the one in the wrong.

I'm very specific with my request form (and I'm probably super crazy in that I never actually show progress updates to confirm poses) so the commissioner won't see it until the end and it's done and I rely on them filling out the form with as much info as possible so I will hopefully NOT make any mistakes. I've so far only ever been asked to change colours because sometimes I would get them the wrong shade so it would just be a minor tweak.

gaia_spoons do you feel that being an artist yourself enables you to see these error better/entitles you to complain about them?
Yes it helps you see the errors but no, it doesn't let you complain about them. You would have seen their samples and should see what level they are capable of - if you still decide to commission them then you can't really complain because you're getting what they can do. Being able to see errors and point them out doesn't necessarily mean the artist has the skill to fix it yet.

gaia_spoons would you complain if the delivered product looks nothing like the samples?
It depends how far off it is - there are rules in the art shop section about gross misrepresentation.
If the artist is being sloppy and their samples were super HQ then they are at fault as they should only be putting up samples of what they are willing to put time into. Sometimes style does fluctuate a bit but the overall quality should be the around the same or better as their other samples.

gaia_spoons would you refuse to pay if they refused to edit?
If the artist has made a mistake and doesn't want to edit, then I think perhaps a lower pay should be compromised or the artist should decide to give it to them as a freeb for messing it up.
If the commissioner is the one who omitted details, it's not the artist's fault as they can't read minds. If the artist has created something as per the stated request, then the commissioner should pay in full.

gaia_spoons would you ask them to redo the entire thing because the anatomy is so off it makes viewing uncomfortable?
That sorta ties into the the other question about seeing errors better/complaining about them. You would have seen the samples and seen what they were capable of doing so should be able to see what they are comfortable doing.

gaia_spoons and if so, would you do it only for the hq art, or any offsetting art that came your way?
gaia_spoons or would you do this for RLC only, or for RLC and gold?
If I did make some horrible mistake then I would have hoped I'd seen it before finishing <_<;;; If someone complained about it... I'm not sure. If it was something super bad that I can fix, then sure, I suppose I would for my own sanity's sake. If it's something I can't fix at my current level, I'd probably apologise and just say that's the best I could do and perhaps alter the pose somewhat to get rid of the offending anatomy error.
For Gaia Gold I suppose the reason I don't show sketches and stuff for approval is because... well... I don't take it as seriously as RLC stuff.
RLC work I wait for feedback at every stage - sketches, refined sketches, line art, colour blocking and then the final render. Because I'm being paid for it and I want the client to get EXACTLY what they want. Gaia Gold... you give me the concept and leave it up to me to do the work but I'm not going to consult you every step of the way.

Ouch, that's a bit rough :S

I've never had a trade cancelled but that would be a super big blow to your artistic self esteem. If the art was still along the same lines as the sample though then the commissioner shouldn't just cancel without a valid reason. They should at least compensate the person for the time and effort already spent.

I mean, Gaia is meant to be fun. Every one already has their basic art shop rules and stuff, similar to how in RLC you have your standard contract. Normally there would be a clause about cancelling on a job and still compensating the artist for the time and work already done. It's a bit much to have to carry that across to Gaia but it might be something artists should start putting into their rules if it's happened to them a lot. If it's in the rules then at least they have a case if they want to take it up with the mods.

thats a very good idea right there, its not something ive seen in the shops a lot, heck, maybe just once or twice
and when i read it it came off as a bit aggressive
but when you think about it, if its stated its because its happened before :/
and yes really its a huge blow to self esteem, personally i wouldnt fight over gold, id just report them and go to my bed and cry xD
but if it were rlc daaaamn *this is why i dont study art xD*


thats sounds horribly stressful sad
its kinda like what they say the customer is always right i suppose... doesnt mean they always are, but sadly some people feel you should dance and do tricks if they wave money in your face
not just art wise, im talking about the service industry as well ahaha
do you draw for a living? :3 *respect*

It is stressful. ;_; Just the way capitalism works sadly.
I just know some things from various jobs and friends. It's all about the customer. They can easily ruin you. A few negative feedbacks and down you go. You want them happy so that they can attract other people. Meh. Reasons why I kinda hate and love people at the same time lol.

I wish I was a professional artist. I'm trying to get there part time but I'm actually heading towards Software Engineering/Support in college.

It's interesting because I wouldn't have thought real world practices regarding clauses and stuff to have to apply here on Gaia.

But yeah, such things I would hope would be avoidable. For one thing, communication should always be open between the artist and commissioner. If the commissioner doesn't like where things are going, they should politely and within reason ask the artist about it. The artist, in turn, should respect the commissioners opinion as they are the client.

It's a give and take industry and both sides should remember that even though it isn't real money, it is a transaction. Just as they can complain about the artist, the artist can spread word to other artists about that particular customer so they are aware of the personality and might avoid accepting jobs from them.

If you're doing the right thing by your clients though, it shouldn't be too hard to keep your reputation up. If they say something to upset you, take a step back instead of replying straight away while your emotions are up. Learn to distance yourself emotionally and think about it clinically if needed to hear the feedback and act on it professionally rather than reacting to it in a personal manner.

Again, this is Gaia Online though. Some art shops here are just casual for the artists and you can see that.

omg this is funny, i think the only time i ask for edits is when my bf's hair is drawn not curly
because in chibi form the only characteristic that sets him apart from my ex is his curly hair xDDDD
((i like my boys tanned so sue me irl he's shorter more well built, less squinty, doesnt have a huge mouth, and his beard/eyebrows arent patchy
but you guys know chibis xD *super awkward*