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 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:40 am
I'm not entirely sure of what to say on this so I'll let you guys/gals read this.
This convo is from skype which happened today. I'm still not sure what to say of it or really if I should say anything..
I'm Topaz Flower by the way.
[6:00:33 AM] The Topaz Flower: well that would be enough for one person to live on.
[6:09:28 AM] jerky: yeah, plus in going to be start working on leather crafting
[6:10:15 AM] The Topaz Flower: leather crafting?
[6:11:14 AM] jerky: making goods out of leather, like wallets, bags, belts, purses, saddles, boots, pouches, keychain fobs, and stuff like that
[6:12:29 AM] jerky: theres a man in the larger town 31 miles south, who says i show a natural talent for it, and with all the ranchers, and cowboys that live out here, leather crafting makes some good money if you stick with it and get good at it
[6:12:56 AM] jerky: a good saddle can fetch you a few 1,000 $ but only cost a few houndred bucks to make
[6:14:50 AM] jerky: spinding 400$ on materials, can make enough goods to bring in 700$ if you have the skill. he wants me to start off with kits, and gain experience from that, before he will teach me how to cut and shape leather into the parts needed for making items out of
[6:15:30 AM] jerky: how ever, if i move.....
[6:17:01 AM] jerky: leather crafting is a dieing art, cowboys and ranchers still want high quality hand made leather goods
[6:17:29 AM] jerky: but there isn't many people out there willing to learn the trade
[6:28:26 AM] The Topaz Flower: well, good luck to you. Though I do believe an office job or a modern job would be much easier.
[6:29:19 AM] jerky: pffft
[6:29:24 AM] jerky: i hate office work
[6:30:06 AM] jerky: besides, some one has to do it
[6:31:48 AM] jerky: i live in Oklahoma, theres a lot of ranching and farming, and rodeos out here, they use a lot of leather goods and prefer hand made goods... sooooo
[6:33:41 AM] The Topaz Flower: I guess you live in the country then?
[6:34:28 AM] jerky: small town, that looks like its out of an eastwood movie
[6:38:20 AM] The Topaz Flower: never seen that movie.
[6:38:32 AM] jerky: lol
[6:38:40 AM] jerky: john wayan?
[6:39:25 AM] The Topaz Flower: o-O ?
[6:39:46 AM] jerky: have you seen any western movie before? O_o
[6:40:40 AM] The Topaz Flower: no, the only movies I watch are sci-fi, adventure, animated (cartoon), or ballets/plays.
[6:41:04 AM] jerky: sci-fi, so did you see cowboys and aliens?
[6:42:29 AM] The Topaz Flower: well no when I say sci-fi I mean like the matrix or something along the lines of Aliens.
[6:42:40 AM] jerky: sigh....
[6:42:49 AM] jerky: hold on one moment.
[6:42:54 AM] The Topaz Flower: ok
[6:45:02 AM] *** jerky sent 4f554eef46a7171da5c5c7302a03d817.jpg ***
[6:45:25 AM] jerky: this is the town i live in, small town, that is pretty much the same as it was in 1909
[6:46:36 AM] The Topaz Flower: ah ok
[7:18:46 AM] jerky: well I'm heading to bed. I didn't get much sleep the other day, so im heading to bed.
[7:36:56 AM] The Topaz Flower: alrighty have a good rest.
[7:43:29 AM] jerky: ill try to. need to find an extra 260$, i need 580$ to buy tools and the kits to start learning the leather working trade. I don't want to dip to far into the cash for food for the month, so i put all my smokeing money for the month with what was left over from bills into the found for starting this thing, but I'm 260$ short. So It will have to be next month, or i buy the tools with what i have, and some of the starting kits,
[7:43:40 AM] jerky: and books next month
[7:44:05 AM] jerky: oh who am i kidding, im to excited about this to sleep
[7:44:32 AM] jerky: i feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning to come around O____O
[7:44:51 AM] The Topaz Flower: lol well I do hope it goes well for you. smile
[7:45:01 AM] jerky: oh i do to
[7:45:32 AM] jerky: Cus if i get good at it, theres a good chance i can get some of the sheriff deputies to buy some gun holsters from me o.o
[7:46:04 AM] The Topaz Flower: that would be something to be proud of.
[7:46:22 AM] jerky: Im about to embark on a way of doing things that has not been done in America since the 1950s
[7:46:57 AM] jerky: learning a trade skill from some one who already knows the trade without going to school to learn it
[7:47:23 AM] jerky: and working for him until im good enough to start my own shop
[7:47:53 AM] The Topaz Flower: It sounds like alot of work, but I'm sure you can do it.
[7:48:04 AM] jerky: If you put time into leather working, you can make items that will last for 80 years
[7:48:53 AM] The Topaz Flower: I've heard that leather is very expensive though.
[7:49:00 AM] jerky: not really
[7:49:32 AM] jerky: its not the leather that is, its a combination of the leather, and the labor put into making the items
[7:49:41 AM] jerky: as well as the kind of leather
[7:49:54 AM] The Topaz Flower: There are different types?
[7:50:48 AM] jerky: cowhide is the most common choice. but theres also alligator, bull, shark, skunk, deer, elk, bear, antelope, rabbit, and raccoon
[7:51:17 AM] jerky: all leather is, is tanned anime skin with the fur removed, tanned, and cured
[7:51:29 AM] The Topaz Flower: ._.
[7:52:10 AM] jerky: but different anime skin has deferent qualities, those qualities determine the price.
[7:53:47 AM] jerky: fake leather is growing in price due to the animal rights activist and vegetarians gaining popularity. How ever that fake leather is a rip off.
[7:54:10 AM] jerky: it's not as durable and tares way to easy.
[7:55:04 AM] jerky: if leather isn't your thing, your better off going with nylon or something
[7:55:31 AM] jerky: any ways, leather working is a form of art
[7:55:48 AM] The Topaz Flower: I've seen alot of police using black holsters but they where not leather.
[8:00:02 AM] jerky: there mostly plastic or nylon. it's standard issue. but it can be replaced with leather holsters, how ever, our sheriff's department deputies, the under sheriff and the sheriff use .45 revolvers over the standard berretta 9 mils you see cops in the cities using. The sheriff wears his on an old west styled gun belt made of leather with a leather holster. the deputies and under sheriff however use plastic holsters they where issued
[8:02:13 AM] The Topaz Flower: ah ok, well I do hope you're able to keep up with all the demands you'll have.
[8:13:40 AM] jerky: well, leather working is pretty easy, my first step will be to make the items, they are blank, like a blank coin die, when some one wants custom stuff done to it, it is mostly just adding decorative designs to the leather, with is added using a number of stamps, and a hammer to hammer the pattern into the leather. that takes only a few minutes to do. so it shouldn't be to much work.
[8:14:41 AM] jerky: and like i said, the guy i talked to said i showed natural talent for it
[8:14:45 AM] jerky: well im heading to bed
[8:16:43 AM] The Topaz Flower: alrighty, have a good rest.
jerky logged out**
This person does not know that I am vegetarian, nor that I believe all animals should have rights. I remained calm and collected as shown above but I am posting this to see what other opinions are. Have I done the right thing?
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:53 pm
Honestly, you should remain calm. Maybe explain to him that you'd rather not discuss something such as this with him because it makes your uncomfortable due to your beliefs. Don't shun or shame him, just explain yourself and if he gets mad that's his problem ^^
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:12 pm
RabidSquirel Honestly, you should remain calm. Maybe explain to him that you'd rather not discuss something such as this with him because it makes your uncomfortable due to your beliefs. Don't shun or shame him, just explain yourself and if he gets mad that's his problem ^^ I tried.. he freaked out and then called me manipulative.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:15 pm
BladedFlower RabidSquirel Honestly, you should remain calm. Maybe explain to him that you'd rather not discuss something such as this with him because it makes your uncomfortable due to your beliefs. Don't shun or shame him, just explain yourself and if he gets mad that's his problem ^^ I tried.. he freaked out and then called me manipulative. Then that's his problem. You did nothing wrong but say you don't feel comfortable with the discussion. Give him some time to cool off
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Vixen Hellion Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:45 am
BladedFlower I tried.. he freaked out and then called me manipulative. RabidSquirel Then that's his problem. You did nothing wrong but say you don't feel comfortable with the discussion. Give him some time to cool off Honestly you did the right thing, like Rabid said its his problem. Some people even today can't deal with other peoples beliefs on anything regardless of the topic, yet they will shove they're beliefs down you're throat without any thought or conscious of how you might be feeling about it.
Just look at it in a way, that you're better than this person. You sat there listening to his views and didn't retaliate which you could of used a whole lot of names towards them. If he can't deal with you're view then there it is, there is no point in conversing with them about such topics. If you still want to chat to them, which is fair enough, just try and steer the conversation away to something else.. Also the manipulative one in this situation is him. (but that's my view from seeing the conversation you posted and what you mentioned in the thread) He obviously doesn't understand what 'manipulation' actually is.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:43 pm
you completely did the right thing. sadly people really won't listen to anything but approval of such actions. they don't want to have their morals questioned. they often think, rather than it meaning their actions may be bad, it means they are bad. so they will get defensive and even angry.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:54 am
thank you everyone for the support. smile
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:32 am
I will admit that I agree a with the Jerry dud... faux leather is really crappy
I have 6 dogs & also walk very large & stronger dogs. a real high quality leather can last generations. I've had all forms of leashes break & chasing a dog that is stubborn is never fun.
I however don't think it's right to harvest animals (especially aquatic) just for their skin. It's a sad industry.
It's a dieing art. I support the folks who use road kill or natural cause death, it may be expensive but it's a reminder that this once alive beautiful creature is now immortal & something you can pass on to your grandbabies & you know it didn't die just for it.
I don't know the relationship between you 2 but he does sound like a butthole & just money hungry...
That's just me though....
Awesome you stood for your beliefs :3
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