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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:06 pm


Is it just me or do our children grow up to be more selfish and ignorant every year?

I grew up with a set of values that told me that you had to say please and thank you, help those who are weak, treat a woman with respect, etc.

Have these values been lost?

I was walking in the mall, and a pregnant woman was carrying about 8 to 10 bags at once. Each bag was filled to the top. Why the hell is a woman carrying that many bags on her own??? Meanwhile, about 20 guys stared at her and just walked right past her. Unfortunately, my hands were full myself and I was not able to give her a hand.

If I were that sales person, I would have helped her bring those items to her car, then loaded them all as she needed them to be.

Today more than ever, I never see men holding doors open for women, or people giving a hand to others who need it. I never here thank you, or please anymore.

Do any of you notice these things anymore?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:10 pm


Yeah, I've noticed too. But I also do see some young people with good manners, thank god. As I currently work in a grocery store, I experience a lot of human interaction every day, and at least in my local community the kids aren't too impolite. (Doesn't mean they aren't annoying little snotrags sometimes though...)

And I try my best to be kind and helpful, both at work and otherwise. I sometimes help elderly people bring their groceries to their cars (once a younger family member was sitting in the car waiting??) and holding open doors for people (that is a gender neutral responsibility in my opinion). But I have noticed that people seem very surprised when people are kind to them? Like it's totally unexpected? And they also seem like they don't want to be helped too, as if they're a bit embarrassed or something.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:15 pm


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Yeah, I've noticed too. But I also do see some young people with good manners, thank god. As I currently work in a grocery store, I experience a lot of human interaction every day, and at least in my local community the kids aren't too impolite. (Doesn't mean they aren't annoying little snotrags sometimes though...)

And I try my best to be kind and helpful, both at work and otherwise. I sometimes help elderly people bring their groceries to their cars (once a younger family member was sitting in the car waiting??) and holding open doors for people (that is a gender neutral responsibility in my opinion). But I have noticed that people seem very surprised when people are kind to them? Like it's totally unexpected? And they also seem like they don't want to be helped too, as if they're a bit embarrassed or something.


I love giving compliments to people.

The reactions I would expect are thank your and such. Now more then ever I get these really rude comments or facial expressions.

I complemented this one woman who said she was 47, and I told her that I was shocked cause she look like she could be like 30.

She looked at me like "who the ******** are you" kinda way. She the. Turned to one of the other ladies and they proceeded to sorts chuckle at my comment.

Just simply rude.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:23 pm


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I love giving compliments to people.

The reactions I would expect are thank your and such. Now more then ever I get these really rude comments or facial expressions.

I complemented this one woman who said she was 47, and I told her that I was shocked cause she look like she could be like 30.

She looked at me like "who the ******** are you" kinda way. She the. Turned to one of the other ladies and they proceeded to sorts chuckle at my comment.

Just simply rude.


What? That was uncalled for!

If anyone compliments me, just end up just blushing/giggling, but at least I thank them. It actually happened today at work. The person was a foreigner (no idea where from) who told me he was learning Norwegian, and he told me my tattoo was cool. It made me really happy! It was adorable when he tried to explain it to me in his few words.

I feel like the culture of chivalry varies from country to country, also people from big cities seem less polite. Maybe because they all tend to avoid talking to strangers and stuff... I dunno, I'm from a tiny town.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:06 pm


Why can't it be people holding doors for people. Why was men holding doors for women singled out? Just curious. I really don't believe in that men should have to treat a woman a certain way because she is a woman. In fact in some instances I find that to be a bit offensive. Some men will try to spare sex jokes when I love me a goo sex joke. Just because I am a woman by birth does not mean that I am a prude or someone who needs to be shielded.

With that said I really don't see a lack of kindness from my end. Sure some people can be just jerks, but sometimes people creep me out by being just a bit overly kind. Of course that is my nature.

I think the lack of kindness comes from being defensive. So many people are hurt by a veil of kindness. So many people use the veil to hurt others and so many people''s kindness are taken advantage of.

Though I don't think that should excuse the store owners from not helping a pregnant woman carrying bags. It's no just about her being a woman' but he being in a position where staining herself could be very very bad. Anyone should have someone helping them in that instance, but sometimes some people are to prideful to receive it. So you have to keep that in mind.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:55 am


I'm a Woman.
I hold doors open for people.
The Majority of people are rude as all hell.
It's not just young kids, yeah the young ones sometimes stare at you like you owe them money/are trying to murder them or something but the older ones (I'm talking 40's-50's so not really that old) also act like this, sometimes they act as if it's your job to hold doors open for them.
People are just rude nowadays with no sense of common courtesy.

The rudest thing is when seemingly there's no one around and you open the door for yourself, and before you can open the door all the way someone bolts through the crack of the door.

There's no longer a sense of regard for other people. It's as if more and more, the world has become a selfish pessimistic place where certain people either expect everyone to cater to them or think everyone's out to get them.

Other peeves that fall into this category include:

~ When you see people treating wait staff like crap

~ Holding elevators for people with similar situations as the door thing only with more people being vocally irritated (don't you tsk at me guy/girl who's going one floor up yet doesn't want to wait for people to get in)

edit: The not helping a pregnant woman thing is pretty bad. But people are also wary because you don't know when your kindness will backfire on you. I get cursed out on buses and trains sometimes when I stand up for an older person to sit. In these instances they jump to the conclusion that i'm calling them old and are apparently angered by it.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:05 am


AsterKurayami
I'm a Woman.
I hold doors open for people.
The Majority of people are rude as all hell.
It's not just young kids, yeah the young ones sometimes stare at you like you owe them money/are trying to murder them or something but the older ones (I'm talking 40's-50's so not really that old) also act like this, sometimes they act as if it's your job to hold doors open for them.
People are just rude nowadays with no sense of common courtesy.

The rudest thing is when seemingly there's no one around and you open the door for yourself, and before you can open the door all the way someone bolts through the crack of the door.

There's no longer a sense of regard for other people. It's as if more and more, the world has become a selfish pessimistic place where certain people either expect everyone to cater to them or think everyone's out to get them.

Other peeves that fall into this category include:

~ When you see people treating wait staff like crap

~ Holding elevators for people with similar situations as the door thing only with more people being vocally irritated (don't you tsk at me guy/girl who's going one floor up yet doesn't want to wait for people to get in)

edit: The not helping a pregnant woman thing is pretty bad. But people are also wary because you don't know when your kindness will backfire on you. I get cursed out on buses and trains sometimes when I stand up for an older person to sit. In these instances they jump to the conclusion that i'm calling them old and are apparently angered by it.


See that kinda drives me nuts. If I offer my seat to another person, they better be grateful. They don't have to take it, but say thank you.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:13 am


Maikus

See that kinda drives me nuts. If I offer my seat to another person, they better be grateful. They don't have to take it, but say thank you.


*nods* yep.
Most of the time people are nice, they'll sit and thank you, or tell a mother to put her child in the seat instead which is still good.
It's the ones that curse at you who are just emotion_facepalm

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:00 am


I feel lucky to live where I do, as most people are quite nice to others. Once, my friend fainted on the bus, and lots of people where fussing over her, offering their seats and stuff. She was quite embarrassed, but grateful of course.

I myself once felt quite light headed at the bus stop, and I asked this woman with a child if I could sit down on the bench, because I wasn't feeling well (her bag was on the bench beside her). She let me sit down, and offered me a banana that she had, which I accepted with thanks. Then when the bus came, she was about a dollar short on her bus fare, so I gave her the extra change. Generally a mutually beneficial kindness :3
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:10 am


I have noticed that.

It's why my mom and I have been working really hard to make sure my little brother grows up knowing respect and decency.

It's ok, he is basically like that naturally. He has some issues, but we always get people telling us how we've got a little gentleman with us. The kid would probably be a doorman the whole time we were shopping if we let him.

I'm a woman and I hold open doors and when someone drops their things I take the time to help them pick everything up. I give smiles whenever possible. When I had a job I was the one always offering to carry out things for people and loading things for people. I grew up being told you respect people, you call them sir or ma'am as a sign of respect. You thank people for compliments or for help, or when they do something for you. You say please.

Nowadays I get people snapping at me for it. Specially in the bigger cities, it isnt so much now that Im back home in a small town. You can't compliment someone or give a kid a quarter for a candy machine without apparently being a psycho.

I mean yesterday I hit some ice and couldn't stop, went off the side of the road with my grandma and stopped at a really rediculous angle, somewhere between 45 degrees and 90 (closer to 90, I was almost at a vertical angle) only one guy stopped and made sure we were ok, made sure I had the police on the phone, made sure we were warm enough. He even stuck around until the police showed up. I saw a handful of people just driving past. It was rather heartbreaking.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:38 pm


As someone of the younger generation, I can definitely relate to this. Most of the people my age are too busy checking their FB's and focusing on themselves to lend a helping hand to the people around them. It seems to me that most people my age prefer to turn a blind eye to others in need.

I always go out of my way to be polite and respectful to the adults around me (unless they are being jerks for no reason other than to be rude), I hold open doors when I see people struggling, talk to old people (even though I usually have no clue what they are talking about), ect. It's just the right thing to do.

Sad thing is that some of these people look at me like I'm a dying breed of elephant.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:41 pm


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I mean yesterday I hit some ice and couldn't stop, went off the side of the road with my grandma and stopped at a really rediculous angle, somewhere between 45 degrees and 90 (closer to 90, I was almost at a vertical angle) only one guy stopped and made sure we were ok, made sure I had the police on the phone, made sure we were warm enough. He even stuck around until the police showed up. I saw a handful of people just driving past. It was rather heartbreaking.


Thank the stars for that one kind samaritan. Did everything turn out okay?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:35 pm


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Thank the stars for that one kind samaritan. Did everything turn out okay?
Yeah everything was fine. Everyone still has no idea how we are all ok and how the truck is fine...

and how on earth we didn't flip. Nobody can figure it out. XD

I spent the whole next day lazing around sore from the seat belt though.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:45 pm


At my university we usually end up fighting over who's going to hold the door open for the other and racing to the second set of doors to beat the other to it. It's great. No courtesy issue there, haha.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:17 pm


I dunno, I find it when I'm in a city, but at home (mid sized town) it's really different. People hold doors open, offer seats on the bus, etc. I suppose it's just that the pace of life is on a whole other scale in someplace like London.
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