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Because despite what people will tell you, it is a religion by all reasonable definitions. Not to mention that Christian morality is often very different from how your average person would define it, and it seems to me to be a little misleading to know that we are something different yet try to shove ourselves into a definition that isn't really ours.

Cite verse and chapter where Jesus says that it isn't a religion.

Look, chapter and verse isn't something I ask for because I want to be rude. I need them so I can go and look at the verses that you use to understand what you do the way you do. So, I'll work with what you gave me, but you really need to do a better job of sourcing.We'll probably spend the next two days trying to see if we're actually talking about the same passage. If you can't take the time to actually find it in the book, then it obviously isn't important to you.

For your information, I am using the ESV.



John 14:6 is the passage. It doesn't say a word about religion. If anything, it establishes Jesus at the extreme absolute of everything, specifically the focal point of the brand new religion that he is in the process of establishing.



I can find a lot of passages saying that Jesus is the vine, but not a single one that immediately mentions false doctrine in the sense that you are implying. Clarify, please.



Are you referring to John 8, where Jesus is busting the Pharisees down to size again? I'm going to assume so unless you tell me otherwise,

It isn't an attack on religion itself, by a long shot. This is an attack against the religious leaders who were abusing their position and leading the people astray. This wasn't the religion's fault, but the people who were supposed to take care of it.



This doesn't say anything about religion. Not a single word. It does, however, talk about Jesus' purpose in coming down from the Father's right hand.



As far as I can tell, this verse doesn't exist, so I'll need some help finding it.

I did check the part of Acts in which Jesus ascends, because that sounds to me like where it should be me, but I've got bupkis. The verse I am thinking of begins like that, but rather than what you said, it ends "This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come as the same way you saw him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11)


I just read the entirety of 1 John, and I didn't see that verse. Even allowing for different translations, I did not see it. So perhaps you could help me find it.

I did, interestingly enough, have a bunch of Youtube videos show up when I googled it.




Quit citing things that don't exist. Are you talking about people named John and Mark, or the actual Gospels? Because John and Mark could be hundreds of thousands of different people.



Except many of your sources seem to be made up. Maybe not by you, but somebody is blowing bubbles in your face.



Allow me to share something with you. The official, dictionary definition of the word religion.



Source

Belief in - Do we believe in something? Do we have faith? Yes. Check.

Worship of - Do we worship? Yes, the most common form being via song and tithing.

Obedience to - Do we obey? Well, we're supposed to, but I don't really want to get into an interdenominational fight about what obedience demands, especially with people from denominations more liberal than the Southern Baptist Convention.

supernatural power or powers considered to be divine - Super check. I call him Father, or Jesus, and other people around this site use the tetragrammaton. It doesn't matter a whole lot, but we are talking about a supernatural deity with powers above and beyond what you and I have.

hav[ing] control of human destiny - Again, super check. The clearest example of this is Jesus death for us. It eternally changed our destiny from one of damnation to salvation.

You'll notice that we have fulfilled every single requirement for the definition of the word. Don't tell me a goat isn't a goat when a goat is a goat.

Isaiah 29:13

Good News Translation (GNT)

13 The Lord said, “These people claim to worship me, but their words are meaningless, and their hearts are somewhere else. Their religion is nothing but human rules and traditions, which they have simply memorized.

this states how religion is man made and traditional. It's mostly ruled by a man which they would memorize. Usually an idea such as people who believes Christianity was made by a man. NO, it was made By a God who was man in flesh. Christ- ianity would clarify that.

Acts 10:28

Good News Translation (GNT)

28 He said to them, “You yourselves know very well that a Jew is not allowed by his religion to visit or associate with Gentiles. But God has shown me that I must not consider any person ritually unclean or defiled.

Would this say religion based on man creation would be pure? or unclean and defiled? remember that we are sinners. and he who makes and calls it religion has caused filth to the name of Christ. It would settler as non religion, for Christ was not a man.

1 Timothy 3:16

Good News Translation (GNT)

16 No one can deny how great is the secret of our religion:
He appeared in human form,
was shown to be right by the Spirit,
and was seen by angels.
He was preached among the nations,
was believed in throughout the world,
and was taken up to heaven.

In this one would seem it was saying Christianity was a religion. However, It declared that there was a secret to it. This exclaims that he was the creator of Christianity. He shows how the spirit is real and his. He was seen by angels and man. He was told from generations and nations. Something that religion would try to be. Teached and preached. He was believed more throughout the world. Something that religion cannot be. religion that is man made based on traditions and flesh, Christ was clearly a God in disguised and declared that religion is not of his. He was taken up to heaven. No religion can be able to be lifted into Heaven. This would mean that God made Christianity. And by the definition of religion: man made traditions, would this not say " this is no where near religion".

The other verses was about the secret of Christianity XD sorry... I do forget to connect it.