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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:19 pm


So, I'm reading a book titled "Lies Women Believe and the Truth That Sets Them Free" by Nancy Leigh DeMoss. I've been meaning to read this book for some time now and I just finished it. The idea of this book, is to combat many of the societal lies that Christian women (and I believe men do too) have adopted and internalized in their lives. It is an eye-opening book that calls you to look inward to see what lies Satan has been speaking into your heart that you've believed. The author starts with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden when Eve believed the lies of Satan. So, if people don't mind, every week or so I'll post some of these lies and the truth that is meant to combat them. The ones I bold will be the ones that hit home for me. So here goes:


LIES WOMEN (AND IN A LOT OF CASES MEN) BELIEVE ABOUT GOD

Lie 1. God is not really good.
Truth: God is good, and everything He odes is good.
God never makes mistakes.

Lie 2. God doesn't Love me
Truth: God's love for me is infinite and unconditional.
I don't have to perform to earn God's love or favor.
God always has my best interests at heart.

Lie 3. God is just like my Father
Truth: God is exactly what He has revealed Himself to be in His Word.
God is infinitely more wise and loving than any earthly father could ever be.

Lie 4. God is not really enough
Truth: God is enough. If I have Him, I have all I need [I bolded this one, because while I thought I relied on God, there were many times when I went to others or did other things before I consulted Him. When I realized that, that's when I discovered the lie.

Lie 5. God's ways are too restrictive.
Truth: God's ways are best
God's restrictions are always for my good
Resisting or rebelling against God's ways bring conflict and heartache

Lie 6. God should fix my problems.
Truth: Life is hard
God is more concerned about glorifying Himself and changing me than about solving all my problems.
God has an eternal purpose He is fulfilling in the midst of my problems.
God wants to use my problems as part of His sanctifying process in my life.
No matter what problem I am facing, God's grace is sufficient for me.

Hope this helps someone see the lies they may have been believing, or at least to look inward to their own life. I encourage people to pick up (the Bible first) this book. I got my copy at my local library smile
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:02 pm


Thanks for the post smile I know that there are a lot of men that can benefit from this article as well. Both men and women go through a lot of life issues, some of them are more similar than we even think ^_^

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:42 am


This is very eye opening.
Thanks for posting. God bless you!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:12 am


Lies Women (and in a lot of cases men) Believe About Themselves

Lie 7: I'm Not worth Anything
Truth: My value is not determined by what others think of me or what I think of myself. My value is determined by how God views me.
To God, my soul is worth more than the price of the whole world.
If I am a child of God, I am God's cherished possession and treasure. [This hit home for me after I lost one of my jobs. I felt like a failure. This gave me hope]

Lie 8: I need to learn to love myself.
Truth: By faith, I need to receive God's love for me.
I already love myself. I need to deny myself and let God love others through me.

Lie 9: I can't help the way I am.
Truth:If I am a child of God, I can choose to obey God.
I am responsible for my own choices.
I can be changed through the power of God's spirit.

Lie 10: I have my rights
Truth: Claiming rights will put me in bondage.
Yielding rights will set me free. [this refers to a lot of feminist ideas]

Lie 11: Physical beauty matters more than inner beauty
Truth: At best, physical beauty is temporal and fleeting
The beauty that matters most to God is that of my inner spirit and character.

Lie 12: I should not have to live with unfulfilled longings
Truth: I will always have unfulfilled longing this side of heaven.
The deepest longings of my heart cannot be filled by any created person or thing.
If I will accept them, unfulfilled longings will increase my longing for God and for heaven.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:13 am


N o r m a R o s e
This is very eye opening.
Thanks for posting. God bless you!


You're welcome biggrin And may God bless you as well biggrin
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:47 am


Lies Women (and men) believe about Sin

Lie 13. I Can Sin and Get Away With It.
Truth: The choices I make today will have consequences; I will reap what I sow.
Sin's pleasures only last for a season
Sin exacts a devastating toll. There are no exceptions.
If I play with fire, I will get burned. I will not escape the consequences of my sin.

Lie 14. My Sin Isn't Really That Bad.
Truth: Every act of sin is an act of rebellion against God.
No sin is small.

Lie 15. God Can't Forgive What I Have Done
Truth: The blood of Jesus is sufficient to cover any and every sin I have committed.
There is no sin too great for God to forgive.
God's grace is greater than the greatest sin anyone could ever commit.

Lie 16. I am Not Fully Responsible For My Actions and Reactions
Truth: God does not hold me accountable for the actions of others
I am responsible for my own choices.

Lie 17. I Cannot Walk in Consistent Victory Over Sin.
Truth: If I am a child of God, I don't have to sin.
I am not a slave to sin. Through Christ, I ahve been set free from sin.
By God's grace and through the finished work of Christ on the cross, I can experience victory over sin.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:52 am


Lies Women Believe About Priorities

Lie 18. I Don't Have Time To Do Everything I'm Supposed To Do.
Truth: There is a time in every day to do everything that God wants me to do.

Lie 19. I Can Make It Without Consistent Time In the Word And Prayer
Truth:It is impossible for me to be the woman God wants me to be apart from spending consistent time cultivating a relationship with Him in the Word and prayer [I had to bold this one, because after reading through my prayer journal, I discovered that there were instances where I went months without speaking to God and didn't flinch. After listening to a sermon on James 1: 18-25, I realized that prayer and reading is like breathing. I need to do it or I'll be spiritually dead.]

Lie 20. A Career Outside the Home Is More valuable And Fulfilling Than Being a Wife and Mother.
Truth: In the will of God, there is no higher, holier calling than to be a wife and mother.
God uniquely designed the woman to be a bearer and nurturer of life.
There is no greater measure of a woman's worth or success than the extent to which she serves in the heart of her home.
God's plan is that a woman's primary attention and efforts should be devoted to ministering to the needs of her husband and children.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:03 am


Lies Women Believe About Marriage

Lie 21. I Have to Have a Husband to be Happy
Truth: Happiness is not found in (or out of ) marriage
There is no person who can meet my deepest needs. No one and nothing can make me truly happy, apart from God.
God has promised to provide everything I need. If He will receive more glory by my being married, then He will provide a Husband for me.
Those who wait on the Lord always get His best. Those who insist on getting what they want often end up with heartache.

Lie 22. It is My Responsibility to Change My Mate
Truth: A godly life and prayer are a wife's two greatest means of influencing her husband's life.
It is far more effective for a woman to appeal to the Lord to change her husband than to try to exert pressure on him directly.

Lie 23. My Husband is Supposed To Serve Me.
Truth: If I expect to be served, I will often be disappointed. If I seek to serve others, without expecting anything in return, I will never be disappointed.
God made the woman to be a helper to the man.
We are never more like Jesus than when we are serving others.

Lie 24. If I Submit To My Husband, I'll Be Miserable!
Truth: Submission places me under the covering and protection of God, who controls the "heart of the king."
When I step out from under authority, I become vulnerable to the attacks of the enemy.
My willingness to place myself under God-ordained authority is the greatest evidence of how big I believe God really is.
Reverent submission is a wife's greatest means of influencing a husband who is not walking with God.
A wife's response to her husband's authority should demonstrate the way the church is to submit to the authority of the Lord Jesus.

Lie 25. If My Husband Is Passive, I've Got to Take the Initiative, Or Nothing Will Get Done.
Truth: God created the man to be an initiator and the woman to be a responder.
If a woman takes the reins rather than waiting on God to move her husband, her husband is likely to be less motivated to fulfill his God-given responsibility.

Lie 26. Sometimes Divorce Is A Better Option Than Staying in a Bad Marriage
Truth: Marriage is a lifelong covenant that is intended to reflect the covenant-keeping heart of God. As He is faithful to His covenant, so we must be faithful to keep our marriage covenant.
There is no marriage God cannot heal. There is no person God cannot change.
God uses the rough edges of each partner in a marriage to conform the other to the image of Christ.
God's grace is sufficient to enable you to be faithful to your mate and to love and forgive without limit.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:13 am


Lies Women Believe About Children
Lie 27. It's Up to Us To Determine the Size Of Our Family
Truth: God is the creator and Giver of life.
Anything that hinders or discourages women from fulfilling their God-given calling to be bearers and nurturers of life furthers Satan's schemes and aids his efforts.
One of the purposes of marriage is to produce a "godly offspring".
Childbearing is a basic, God given role for women. Children are to be received as a blessing from God.

Lie 28. Children Need to Get Exposed to the "Real World" so That They Can Learn to Function In it.
Truth: Our task is not to raise up children who can fit into this world or merely survive it, but to bring up children who will be used by God to change our world.
Like young, tender plants, children need to be protected form worldly influences until they are spiritually mature enough to withstand them.
The Fear of the Lord and a vital, persoanl relationship with God are the best means of perparing children to withstand secular culture and to make a difference in our world.

Lie 29. All Children will go Through a Rebellious Stage.
Truth: If parents expect their children to rebel, they increase the likelihood that they will do so.
God promises a blessing to parents who keep His covenant and who teach their children to do the same.
Parents cannot force their children to walk with God, but they can model godliness and cultivate a climate in the home that creates an appetite for God and is conductive to the spiritual nurtue and growth of their children.

Lie 30. I Know my child is a christian because he prayed to receive Christ at an early age.
Truth: Those who do not have a heart for God or any hunger for the things of God and who have a consistent pattern of rejecting the Word and ways of God have no bassis for assurance of salvation.
Parents who assume their children know the Lord, regardless of their lifestyle, may give their children a false sense of security and may not be praying appropriately for their children.

Lie 31. We Are Not Responsible For How Our Children Turn Out.
Truth: Parents have enormous influence in modling the lives of their children by their example, their teaching, and their leadership.
Each generation is responsible to pass on to the next the heritage of a heart that knows and walks with God.
Parents will give an account to God for the spiritual condition of the lives He has entrusted to their care.
Each individual is responsible for his own walk and obedience. REgardless of what kind of parents he had, each person will give account to God for his own choices.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:20 am


Lies Women Believe About Emotions
Lie 32. If I Feel Something, It Must Be Truth
Truth: My feelings cannot always be trusted. They often have little to do with reality and can easily decieve me into believing things that are not true.
I must choose to reject any feelings that are not consitent with the Truth.

Lie 33. I Can't Control My Emotions
Truth: I do not have to be controlled by my emotions.
I can chooose to fix my mind on the Truth, to take every thought captive to the Truth, and to let God control my emotions.

Lie 34. i Can't Help How I Respond When My Hormones Are Out of Whack
Truth: By God's grace, I can choose to obey Him regardless of how I feel.
There is no excuse for undgodly attitudes, responses, or behavior.
My physical and emotional cycles and seasons are under the control of the One who made me, cares for me, and has made provision for each stage of my life.

Lie 35. The Anser to Depression Must First be Sough In Medications and/or Psychotherapy.
Truth: Physical and emotional symptoms of depression may be the fruit of issues in the spirit that need to be addressed.
If my depression did not originate as a physical problem, medications will not permanently relieve my depression.
I do not have a "right" to "feel good". Regardless of how I feel, I can choose to give thanks, to obey God,a nd to reach out to others.
God has given us powerful resources--His grace, His Spirit, His Word, His Promises, the body of Christ--to minister to our emotional needs.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:23 am


There was one more section, but this should be good to hopefully drive people into an inspection of their hearts, and to go further with God in prayer and Bible study smile
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~About "Lie 25: If My Husband Is Passive, I've Got to Take the Initiative, Or Nothing Will Get Done." I can see it in a different light. If a woman has a husband and the husband works a long work day to provide money for the family so that everyone is able to be taken care of, it is not always be fair to make him do all the chores when he gets home if the woman is at home all day long not doing anything. I believe men and women should both work together to create a stable living and take on whatever needs to be done. Same thing as if the woman had a long work day and the husband stayed at home and did nothing - that would be unfair to the woman. It can go either way. On days where neither person is working, both people should pitch in to do work around the house. Coming to a reasonable agreement that makes both sides happy and is fair is important. Daily Bible studies between both the husband and wife as well as prayer are important to keep both people motivated through God. That's the most important aspect of it all.

~About Lie 26, divorce is yes, a regrettable option and an option that hurts every body else around them. However, there are Biblical circumstances for divorce. No one should stay in a bad marriage if their partner is cheating on them. Another one would be if there is one spouse harming the other, whether it physically, emotionally, or spiritually. Staying in a relationship where abuse is present is not honoring the temple that God has given us on this earth - our bodies. So divorce is sometimes the best option when it can be an extremely damaging relationship. There will be people on this planet that will not want to change, and there will be times where people marry for the wrong reasons.

However, there are reasons that I don't find acceptable to divorce because those can clearly be worked out through God and between the husband and wife. Some of these silly reasons would be, "I fell out of love with my spouse.", "We don't have anything in common.", "I don't like the way they do chores around the house," etc. These are issues that can be discussed, identified, and there are ways to come through a reasonable conclusion through prayer, God's word, and effective communication between the couple.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:18 pm


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~About "Lie 25: If My Husband Is Passive, I've Got to Take the Initiative, Or Nothing Will Get Done." I can see it in a different light. If a woman has a husband and the husband works a long work day to provide money for the family so that everyone is able to be taken care of, it is not always be fair to make him do all the chores when he gets home if the woman is at home all day long not doing anything. I believe men and women should both work together to create a stable living and take on whatever needs to be done. Same thing as if the woman had a long work day and the husband stayed at home and did nothing - that would be unfair to the woman. It can go either way. On days where neither person is working, both people should pitch in to do work around the house. Coming to a reasonable agreement that makes both sides happy and is fair is important. Daily Bible studies between both the husband and wife as well as prayer are important to keep both people motivated through God. That's the most important aspect of it all.

~About Lie 26, divorce is yes, a regrettable option and an option that hurts every body else around them. However, there are Biblical circumstances for divorce. No one should stay in a bad marriage if their partner is cheating on them. Another one would be if there is one spouse harming the other, whether it physically, emotionally, or spiritually. Staying in a relationship where abuse is present is not honoring the temple that God has given us on this earth - our bodies. So divorce is sometimes the best option when it can be an extremely damaging relationship. There will be people on this planet that will not want to change, and there will be times where people marry for the wrong reasons.

However, there are reasons that I don't find acceptable to divorce because those can clearly be worked out through God and between the husband and wife. Some of these silly reasons would be, "I fell out of love with my spouse.", "We don't have anything in common.", "I don't like the way they do chores around the house," etc. These are issues that can be discussed, identified, and there are ways to come through a reasonable conclusion through prayer, God's word, and effective communication between the couple.


The passive husband part I think refers to men who don't lead and just kind of defer everything to their wives. I completely agree that women should be the help mate to their spouse, by taking care of things since he's been working all day. But in the book, the response to the passive husband was not to "take the reigns" and not let him lead. But to quietly submit to his leadership and pray to God that the husband would take the reigns and lead the house. This refers to things like leading family worship, actively overseeing the family's spiritual life, church life, etc. That's all. smile

And as far as divorce is concerned, I still believe in Genesis 2: 24 (and again in Mark 10:7) where it says "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh". I see where you'd say that there is a biblical reason for divorce (one found in Matthew 5:32), but in Mark 10:9 it says "Therefore what God has joined together let no man separate". If you can't split a person in two and have them stand, and if a person who divorces and marries another commits adultery ( Mark 10:10-12) , therefore not honoring the marriage covenant, I can't see how divorce is biblical.

In cases of abuse, that's a really touchy thing. I wish now that I didn't give the book back to the library, because after that section they had a testimony of a woman who was married to a wicked man for 40 years before he repented and turned to Christ. The author does advise (and I believe it's right) that if a marriage is physically abusive, it's OK to separate oneself and children for protection. But this is my take on these issues after examining what I know from the scriptures. I see your point though.
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~About "Lie 25: If My Husband Is Passive, I've Got to Take the Initiative, Or Nothing Will Get Done." I can see it in a different light. If a woman has a husband and the husband works a long work day to provide money for the family so that everyone is able to be taken care of, it is not always be fair to make him do all the chores when he gets home if the woman is at home all day long not doing anything. I believe men and women should both work together to create a stable living and take on whatever needs to be done. Same thing as if the woman had a long work day and the husband stayed at home and did nothing - that would be unfair to the woman. It can go either way. On days where neither person is working, both people should pitch in to do work around the house. Coming to a reasonable agreement that makes both sides happy and is fair is important. Daily Bible studies between both the husband and wife as well as prayer are important to keep both people motivated through God. That's the most important aspect of it all.

~About Lie 26, divorce is yes, a regrettable option and an option that hurts every body else around them. However, there are Biblical circumstances for divorce. No one should stay in a bad marriage if their partner is cheating on them. Another one would be if there is one spouse harming the other, whether it physically, emotionally, or spiritually. Staying in a relationship where abuse is present is not honoring the temple that God has given us on this earth - our bodies. So divorce is sometimes the best option when it can be an extremely damaging relationship. There will be people on this planet that will not want to change, and there will be times where people marry for the wrong reasons.

However, there are reasons that I don't find acceptable to divorce because those can clearly be worked out through God and between the husband and wife. Some of these silly reasons would be, "I fell out of love with my spouse.", "We don't have anything in common.", "I don't like the way they do chores around the house," etc. These are issues that can be discussed, identified, and there are ways to come through a reasonable conclusion through prayer, God's word, and effective communication between the couple.


The passive husband part I think refers to men who don't lead and just kind of defer everything to their wives. I completely agree that women should be the help mate to their spouse, by taking care of things since he's been working all day. But in the book, the response to the passive husband was not to "take the reigns" and not let him lead. But to quietly submit to his leadership and pray to God that the husband would take the reigns and lead the house. This refers to things like leading family worship, actively overseeing the family's spiritual life, church life, etc. That's all. smile

And as far as divorce is concerned, I still believe in Genesis 2: 24 (and again in Mark 10:7) where it says "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh". I see where you'd say that there is a biblical reason for divorce (one found in Matthew 5:32), but in Mark 10:9 it says "Therefore what God has joined together let no man separate". If you can't split a person in two and have them stand, and if a person who divorces and marries another commits adultery ( Mark 10:10-12) , therefore not honoring the marriage covenant, I can't see how divorce is biblical.

In cases of abuse, that's a really touchy thing. I wish now that I didn't give the book back to the library, because after that section they had a testimony of a woman who was married to a wicked man for 40 years before he repented and turned to Christ. The author does advise (and I believe it's right) that if a marriage is physically abusive, it's OK to separate oneself and children for protection. But this is my take on these issues after examining what I know from the scriptures. I see your point though.


Yes, it's good when the wife and husband work together and do their equal share. If the husband does absolutely nothing at all and sits on the couch all day then yeah, there's issues. Same goes if the wife does that, too.

Divorce is one of those things that should be absolute LAST resorts. It should never be, "If this marriage doesn't work out, then let's divorce." Because that's not taking the comittment seriously. The Holy Bible does tell us that divorce is not a good thing:

Mark 10:9

Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Malachi 2:16

“The man who hates and divorces his wife,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “does violence to the one he should protect,” says the Lord Almighty.

So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful.


Divorce is an ugly thing that not only hurts the man and his wife, but also hurts their children if they have any and can also hurt their family and friends. God does not delight in it because I believe that God does bring people together - he's good at knowing who is good for each other. Although, that doesn't mean that people cannot marry the wrong person and be stuck in a toxic or dangerous relationship. Divorce in certain instances can lead to adultery as well, which is harmful to our soul.

There are certain instances where divorce is allowed. If it wasn't allowed at all in God's eyes, I don't think he would've mentioned the laws about it, about the certificates of divorce, etc.

Matthew 19:8 - 9

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


"Except for sexual immorality" - meaning that this is a completely valid circumstance for divorce. If a person divorces their spouse because they have been sleeping around then divorce is allowed. (The Matthew 5:32 verse is similar to this).

Also, in situations where spouse abuse is taking place - then divorce should be considered. The victim of the abuse staying in the situation where they are abuse and know they will be abused I don't feel is honoring their temple because they give in to what their spouse wants and at times, people get stuck in this trap because people who abuse others tend to make threats, or lower someone's self-esteem, then say, "I love you." to raise their self-esteem so they stick around. It's a vicious cycle and an ugly trap.

Although, divorce...always a last resort - it shouldn't even come to mind unless of sexual immorality or abusive situations. Most problems...probably a huge percentage of marriage problems can be solved by communication and consulting God's word and praying together. Unfortunately, not all couples will communicate effectively and some have not accepted God's word and they don't always bring God into their marriage when it is falling apart. It's actually sad when thinking that marriages that last 1 year at least are becoming more uncommon because people decide, "Oh, I had my fun - time to move onto someone new." or, "We don't love each other anymore." or other reasons - also, sometimes people marry for the wrong reasons in general, which is saddening.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:09 pm


http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/on-divorce-remarriage-in-the-event-of-adultery

This is where I get the fact that Divorce and Re-marriage isn't Ok in any circumstance. God forgives, but it's still greatly frowned upon and Jesus did not create an exception clause.
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