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Skadi Sundermount


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:43 pm


I've been developing a bit of my own troll mythology based upon a combination of troll myths from all the Scandinavian countries.

Occasionally, I would like to post here and maybe soundboard a few ideas off of you guys. If I may?

The big thing is, in Norse mythology, Loki, god of fire and mischief, gave birth to the first trolls after devouring the heart of a witch who was burnt at the stake.
Naturally, trolls would worship their creator.
Thing is, the myth never really explains why Loki ate the heart. This is apparently not uncommon for him, as he frequently devours the hearts of many people and creatures with some regularity, though I have yet to find a myth that explains his fondness for the organ. So for Loki to just be wandering about and eating a heart just because it was there (already cooked!) is exactly the kind of thing he would do.
I rather figured a people- that is, trolls- who worship Loki as their god and developed an entire religion for him, would probably assign some significances to the witch whose heart contributed to their making, but I can't seem to come up with anything?
Maybe she was a lover of Loki's? Or a very powerful sorceress?

Any tips guys?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:41 pm


I like it thus far, I would personally say powerful witch with her own motives and plans for the trolls.... but lovers would also make sense.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:22 pm


I always figured that it'd be the latter..though Loki did have many lovers, so the previous wouldn't be impossible. ...or maybe hunger XD
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:12 pm


Sugarvanes
I like it thus far, I would personally say powerful witch with her own motives and plans for the trolls.... but lovers would also make sense.


Trolls didn't exist at this point. She died before they were made.

She needs to be connected to Loki in someway though, at least through the views of the troll religion which would no doubt assign significance to this person, regardless of whether or not there was any.

Maybe the tried and true route of a very powerful mage who tried to conquer the land, or something?

Oh! Or maybe she wasn't a lover of Loki or even an evil witch at all, but a follower of his and a trickster, who used her magical gift to teach others lessons about hubris and vanity and such. Then one day she tries to teach a lesson to someone who did not want to learn, someone powerful, like a Queen or a Priest or something, and they had her caught and burned at the stake.

It would fit with the trolls' view of Loki, as a kind of Jesus like figure, who was trying to teach the evil norse demons gods a lesson about arrogance and taunting death, and was cruelly and unjustly tortured and imprisoned until such a time as he breaks free and destroys the wicked and corrupt world (which the trolls are looking forward to with much excitement).

Just bouncing ideas around. Feel free to add anything!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:39 pm


Skadi Sundermount
Sugarvanes
I like it thus far, I would personally say powerful witch with her own motives and plans for the trolls.... but lovers would also make sense.


Trolls didn't exist at this point. She died before they were made.

She needs to be connected to Loki in someway though, at least through the views of the troll religion which would no doubt assign significance to this person, regardless of whether or not there was any.

Maybe the tried and true route of a very powerful mage who tried to conquer the land, or something?

Oh! Or maybe she wasn't a lover of Loki or even an evil witch at all, but a follower of his and a trickster, who used her magical gift to teach others lessons about hubris and vanity and such. Then one day she tries to teach a lesson to someone who did not want to learn, someone powerful, like a Queen or a Priest or something, and they had her caught and burned at the stake.

It would fit with the trolls' view of Loki, as a kind of Jesus like figure, who was trying to teach the evil norse demons gods a lesson about arrogance and taunting death, and was cruelly and unjustly tortured and imprisoned until such a time as he breaks free and destroys the wicked and corrupt world (which the trolls are looking forward to with much excitement).

Just bouncing ideas around. Feel free to add anything!


I kind of like the first idea. My question is that who would give their heart and soul to die in creating something... if she is powerful I would think that they would want something to come from it. A mother figure of sorts.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:39 pm


Sugarvanes
Skadi Sundermount
Sugarvanes
I like it thus far, I would personally say powerful witch with her own motives and plans for the trolls.... but lovers would also make sense.


Trolls didn't exist at this point. She died before they were made.

She needs to be connected to Loki in someway though, at least through the views of the troll religion which would no doubt assign significance to this person, regardless of whether or not there was any.

Maybe the tried and true route of a very powerful mage who tried to conquer the land, or something?

Oh! Or maybe she wasn't a lover of Loki or even an evil witch at all, but a follower of his and a trickster, who used her magical gift to teach others lessons about hubris and vanity and such. Then one day she tries to teach a lesson to someone who did not want to learn, someone powerful, like a Queen or a Priest or something, and they had her caught and burned at the stake.

It would fit with the trolls' view of Loki, as a kind of Jesus like figure, who was trying to teach the evil norse demons gods a lesson about arrogance and taunting death, and was cruelly and unjustly tortured and imprisoned until such a time as he breaks free and destroys the wicked and corrupt world (which the trolls are looking forward to with much excitement).

Just bouncing ideas around. Feel free to add anything!


I kind of like the first idea. My question is that who would give their heart and soul to die in creating something... if she is powerful I would think that they would want something to come from it. A mother figure of sorts.


In the myth she didn't really GIVE her heart as Loki simply TOOK it, and its unclear if he knew this would result in pregnancy or the creation of trolls.

You're right, this will have to be changed for the troll religion.

Any suggestions on a name for the Witch Mother? It needs to be Scandinavian in origin. Or at the very least, sound like it could be.


Skadi Sundermount


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:54 pm


What about Adda?
Alvide..
Ambra...


http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Category:Norwegian_Female_Names
Found them here.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:09 pm


Anafae
What about Adda?
Alvide..
Ambra...


http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Category:Norwegian_Female_Names
Found them here.


Oooh...Thank you for the link, these shall be very useful.

What do you all think of the name Desideria?


Skadi Sundermount


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:35 pm


*thumbs up*Sounds fine. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:18 pm


So I've got an excerpt from the sort of troll holy book I've got going for this unique troll religion I'm trying to get settled. Anyone wanna have a quick read?

At tha beginnin of time, not a god damn thang existed. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! Da earth, tha gentle oceans lappin up against its shores, playa n' animal had not yet been pimped. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! Only a pimped out yawnin abyss was present up in tha void of nothangness. Out of tha abyss, a land of eternal mist, darknizz n' terrible cold was formed ta tha North; ta all beings, dis land was known as Niflheim. In tha midst of tha Dark Land surged a gangbangin' fountain known as Hvergelmir, from which spread tha freezin glacial wataz of twelve rivers all up in tha void. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! To tha Downtown lay tha land of Fire, Muspellsheim; a infernal region of unbearable, unsatiable heat n' flames. From there poured riverz of fire whose watas contained a funky-a** bitter poison which, lil by lil, gathered n' became a solid mass. From tha ice flowin from tha North, dis masz of venom was covered up in a thick layer of frost. With tha heat blowin from tha landz of Fire, tha frost ******** started ta melt, n' tha giant Ymir started doin thangs from poison n' ice.

Ymir became tha daddy of all giants. On tha night of his creation, he fell asleep near tha landz of tha Downtown n' became straight-up bathed up in sweat: from under his ******** left arm was born playa n' biatch, both giants like his ******** a**. At tha same stupid-a** time, tha block of ice from which he started doin thangs gave forth tha pimped out cow Audumla, tha wet-nurse of tha giants. Ymir refreshed his dirty a** from her uddaz all up in tha beginnin of every last ******** day, which flowed wit life-givin milk. Audumla ******** started ta lick tha salt from tha ice ta nourish her ******** a**, n' tha heat of her tongue n' breath yielded first tha hair, then tha head, n' finally tha entire body of a funky-a** bein whose name was Buri. Buri had a lil hustla whose name was Bor, whoz a** went on ta ******** Ymirz daughter, Bestla. With her, he fathered tha three godz Odin, Vili n' Ve.

Da three lil playaz of tha Giants' race at once ******** started ta rebel against they creators, which ended up in tha annihilation of tha Giants. They first capped tha aged Ymir. So much blood flowed from his shattered body dat tha abyss was filled wit dat s**t. All of tha other Giants drowned up in tha blood, save Beregelmir n' his ho, whoz a** managed ta launch a lil' small-a** boat n' escape; it is from em dat a freshly smoked up race of giants issued.

After tha dirtnap of Ymir, tha lil playaz of Bor raised his body from tha depthz of tha sea of blood n' pimped earth wit it, which became known as Midgard and tha 'Middle Abode', fo' it was situated halfway between Niflheim n' Muspellsheim. Da flesh of Ymir became tha land on which our crazy-a** asses live, n' his blood became tha boundless ocean. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. From his bones, tha godz pimped tha mountains; from his hair, they pimped tha trees. They took tha skull of Ymir n' raised it up on four pillarz of bone n' juiced it up tha ******** into tha Vault of tha Heavens, up in which they kept tha sparkz of fire dat escaped from Muspellsheim. These sparks became tha sun, moon n' tha countless stars up in tha night sky, they course all up in tha sky was regulated n' kept constant, bustin night n' day; summer n' winter. With tha sun up in tha sky, it threw its golden rays across tha barren earth, n' tha straight-up original gangsta bladez of chronicgrass rocked up.

Soon other godz came ta join Odin, Vili n' Ve. They seemed ta step tha ******** up outta tha abyss, havin no daddy and mutha. Together tha godz pimped they dwellin place, which became known as Asgard 'Da Dwellin of tha Aesir' , up in which each of em gots a grand mansion. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. This land was pimped above Midgard, so dat tha godz could keep watch over tha ghetto dat they was bustin. To git back n' forth between Midgard n' Asgard they pimped tha pimped out Rainbow Bridge known as Bifröst, which was guarded by Heimdall, tha god of Bifröst.

As tha godz gathered, they deliberated on tha manner up in which tha earth might dopest be gangstasd. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! In tha rottin corpse of Ymir, grubs was beginnin ta form. Da godz chizzled all of tha grubs tha ******** into tha dwarves, givin em human form n' imbuin em wit reason. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Because tha dwarves was born from tha flesh of Ymir, tha godz decided dat they shall continue ta live as they had since they birth, hidden from tha light of tha sun up in tha flesh of they creator. Soon tha light of tha sun became deadly ta them, turnin em tha ******** into stone all up in tha slightest exposure. There was no dem hoes among tha dwarves; hence they was not able ta have children. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Therefore, tha godz gave tha dwarves two princes, whoz a** had tha mobilitizzle ta mould freshly smoked up dwarves outta tha stonez of tha earth. Thus tha race of dwarves endlessly continued. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ******** was pimped from tha vegetable ghetto by tha godz Odin, Hoenir n' Lodur. One dizzle tha three godz was pimpin' across tha barren earth n' came across two trees wit life-less twisted trunks. Odin shaped each of tha trees tha ******** into a playa n' a biatch, n' gave each of em breath. Hoenir gave em a a** n' tha mobilitizzle ta reason. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Lodur gave em warmth n' tha fresh colourz of life. Da playa was called Ask n' his ho was Embla, n' they proceeded ta create tha race of man.

Da land of Niflheim (or Niflhel) became tha land where tha dead would go afta they time on earth had elapsed. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! It was known as a land of eternal sleet n' frost. Da goddess Hel became tha rula of dis domain, n' her faithful hound, Garm, guarded tha entrizzle ta prevent tha dead from eva leavin n' tha livin from entering.

Out of tha chaoz of tha abyss rose tha three Norns, goddessez of Fate. Their names was Urd (Past), Verdandi (Present), n' Skuld (Future). Urd rocked up up in tha form of a shrivelled oldschool hag, while Verdandi was a dem hoes up in her prime. Skuld was a funky-a** dope lil' maiden. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Together tha three Norns cared fo' tha Life-Tree, Yggdrasil until tha dizzle of Ragnarok when it is destined ta die.

After tha creation of tha different level, and planez of existence, tha pimped out ash tree Yggdrasil ******** started ta grow n' connect all of tha levels. Its first root form up in tha land of Niflheim, from dis root bubbled tha sprin of Hvergelmir, tha source of tha primitizzle rivers. Da second root of tha pimped out tree extended tha ******** into tha land of tha giants, covered wit frost n' ice. This is where tha fountain Mimir flowed. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! This sprin was a source of pimped out wisdom from which Odin desired ta drink, however tha price demanded fo' a gangbangin' few draughts was tha losz of one of his wild lil' ******** eyes. Da third root extended all tha way up tha ******** into tha heavens, n' issued tha sprin Urd. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ********! This is where tha Norns resided, drawin gin n juice from dis well all up in tha beginnin of each dizzle n' sprinklin it on tha rootz of Yggdrasil so dat it would not wither away.

In tha highest branchez of tha tree sat a golden c**k, which kept a cold-a** lil constant vigilizzle of tha horizizzle ta warn tha godz whenever they ancient enemies, tha Giants, was preparin ta battle them. Under Yggdrasil, tha horn of tha god Heimdall was hidden, whose sound would announce tha final battle of tha Aesir against all whom wished ta cause they downfall. Near tha trunk of tha tree was a place of eternal peace, where tha god would hook up everyday ta render justice. In its branches tha goat Heidrun browsed; her a** gave Odinz warriors tha gin n juice wit which they was nourished. Y'all KNOW dat s**t, ******** existed demons dat would constantly strive ta destroy Yggdrasil, tha Tree of Life. A cunnin monster, tha serpent Nidhögg, sat all up in tha base of tha third root n' gnawed at it ceaselessly. Four stags wandered all up in tha base of tha tree n' would nibble off all of tha lil' chronicshoots, preventin further growth of tha tree. Thankfully, cuz of tha careful attention given by tha Norns, tha tree was able ta flourish.

At tha time of tha creation of tha ghetto, it was forebusted some lyrics ta dat it would not be eternal. In tha Dizzle of tha End, Ragnarok, tha earth would be torn asunder up in a mighty battle between tha godz of tha Aesir n' tha Giants. Great battlez of might n' magic would be fought, reducin all thuglife ta ashes. Yggdrasil would fall, bustin tha layerz of tha ghetto crashin down. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Da hound Garm, guardin tha entrizzle ta Niflheim would flee up in terror, n' tha dead will escape, risin again ta tha earth as plagues n' disease ta fight along side tha gods. In tha end of tha battle, everythang would be destroyed; tha gods, giants, pimps n' ******** would cease ta exist.


The entire temple shall be like this.


Skadi Sundermount


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Nautical Symphony


Wicked Trickster

PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:26 am


xD That's pretty awesome!
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