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 Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:16 pm
Hey. This is my first post here. Has anyone, besides myself, been raised Wiccan? I wasn't exactly raised as a Wiccan, but as a Pagan. I started to identify myself as Wiccan when I was around 10 years old. Just wondering if I'm the only one, since there seem to be so few Wiccan's my age (15) who are really educated.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:58 pm
Raspberry Rose Romance Hey. This is my first post here. Has anyone, besides myself, been raised Wiccan? I wasn't exactly raised as a Wiccan, but as a Pagan. I started to identify myself as Wiccan when I was around 10 years old. Just wondering if I'm the only one, since there seem to be so few Wiccan's my age (15) who are really educated. I don't think it is possible to be raised Wiccan- I mean, the only reference I know of is how Gardner said there were mentions of co-gendered initiation, but since that isn't really part of Wicca anymore and there are good reasons why ethical parents wouldn't raise their children in a fertility religion, I guess it doesn't happen any more. I know some people who were raised pagan- and I know pagan kids who were raised by Wiccan parents, but that isn't the same as being raised Wiccan either. I mean- it's pretty common knowledge that Wiccan rituals require the use of the scorge, but because there are rules against drawing the attention of the Law to Wicca- flogging your kid seems like it would be a good way to be brought up on child abuse and that would break a Wiccan's oaths unless they found some way to ensure the kids would never tell any adults about it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:15 pm
Esiris Raspberry Rose Romance Hey. This is my first post here. Has anyone, besides myself, been raised Wiccan? I wasn't exactly raised as a Wiccan, but as a Pagan. I started to identify myself as Wiccan when I was around 10 years old. Just wondering if I'm the only one, since there seem to be so few Wiccan's my age (15) who are really educated. I don't think it is possible to be raised Wiccan- I mean, the only reference I know of is how Gardner said there were mentions of co-gendered initiation, but since that isn't really part of Wicca anymore and there are good reasons why ethical parents wouldn't raise their children in a fertility religion, I guess it doesn't happen any more. I know some people who were raised pagan- and I know pagan kids who were raised by Wiccan parents, but that isn't the same as being raised Wiccan either. I mean- it's pretty common knowledge that Wiccan rituals require the use of the scorge, but because there are rules against drawing the attention of the Law to Wicca- flogging your kid seems like it would be a good way to be brought up on child abuse and that would break a Wiccan's oaths unless they found some way to ensure the kids would never tell any adults about it. Well, my parents and I never did any of the more adult rituals, but we celebrated all the Sabbats and I was raised to believe in the god and goddess. There are a lot of family friendly Wiccan rituals. Also, on witchvox.com, I've seen that people have covens for families. I've also never heard of flogging during a ritual, that sounds more like something someone who is just starting in Wicca might think. Besides, flogging is harming and harm none is the number one law of wicca.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:50 pm
Raspberry Rose Romance Well, my parents and I never did any of the more adult rituals, but we celebrated all the Sabbats and I was raised to believe in the god and goddess. Just to let you know- there are lots of neopagan religions that believe in a god and goddess and celebrate the Wheel of the Year, but they aren't all Wiccan. cat_3nodding Quote: There are a lot of family friendly Wiccan rituals. Also, on witchvox.com, I've seen that people have covens for families. Most of what people think of as "Wiccan Rituals" aren't because Wicca is an initatory religion- so there's a lot of good stuff out there that's mislabeled as Wiccan. Quote: I've also never heard of flogging during a ritual, that sounds more like something someone who is just starting in Wicca might think. I'm studying under a Gardnerian coven- but there's been plenty written on the use of the scorge in Wicca. I think it's really neat really- I mean, the Lord flogged the Lady anyway, it's part of the Legend that's important to Wicca. My HPS and I have talked about it a bit- she's been an initiated and trained priestess for longer than I've been alive, so it's really not a mistake. If you want, I can point you at some writings that are really important for Wiccans to be familiar with. Quote: Besides, flogging is harming and harm none is the number one law of wicca. The Rede isn't a law- Rede means advice for a start. There are Laws in Wicca, sometimes called the Ardanes, and what we can know about them is kind of limited- but there is some information out there. As to if flogging is harm or not- well, harm isn't the same as hurt in this sense. Harm is really about abuse- abuse of power, emotional and physical abuse, so someone accepting a flogging isn't abuse because abuse isn't consensual- kind of like how BDSM isn't abuse either because it's consensual even if a paddling hurts, or a tattoo hurts, or getting your ears pierced hurts. So Wicca doesn't say you can't harm anyone ever- and it came along after Wicca's core practices were already established. I know my HPS and HP include ethics training and discussions for Seekers, but I think that some of that is "self-sorting" because something tells me that really unethical people wouldn't enjoy the coven that much anyway. I know sometimes unethical people get initiated anyway- but I guess that might be why the Wicca swear their oaths and stuff too. I love the Legend of the Goddess- so I included a copy from Gardner's Witchcraft Today: Quote: The Myth Of The Goddess Now G. had never loved, but she would solve all mysteries, even the mystery of Death, and so she journeyed to the nether lands. The guardians of the portals challenged her. 'Strip off thy garments, lay aside thy jewels, for nought may ye bring with you into this our land.' So she laid down her garments and her jewels and was bound as are all who enter the realms of Death, the mighty one. (1) Such was her beauty that Death himself knelt and kissed her feet, saying: 'Blessed be thy feet that have brought thee in these ways. Abide with me, but let me place my cold hand on thy heart.' And she replied: 'I love thee not. Why doest thou cause all things that I love and take delight in to fade and die?' 'Lady,' replied Death, ' 'tis age and fate, against which I am helpless. Age causes all things to wither; but when men die at the end of time, I give them rest and peace and strength so that they may return. But you, you are lovely. Return not; abide with me.' But she answered: 'I love thee not.' Then said Death: 'As you receive not my hand on your heart, you must receive Death's scourge.' 'It is fate, better so,' she said, and she knelt. Death scourged her and she cried: 'I know the pangs of love.' And Death said: 'Blessed be,' and gave her the fivefold kiss, saying: 'Thus only may you attain to joy and knowledge.' ---- [1] See Note 2 (page 18 cool . ---- And he taught her all the mysteries, and they loved and were one; and he taught her all the magic's. For there are three great events in the life of man - love, death and resurrection in the new body - and magic controls them all. To fulfil love you must return again at the same time and place as the loved ones, and you must remember and love her or him again. But to be reborn you must die and be ready for a new body; to die you must be born; without love you may not be born, and this is all the magic.' You can find it here.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:52 am
Raspberry Rose Romance Besides, flogging is harming and harm none is the number one law of wicca.
The rede is often talked about by Wiccans and neopagan ecclectics. It centres on one phrase which is often misquoted or altered. Some of these alterations don't do much for the understanding of it. The phrase is :
"An it harm none, do as ye will"
'An' doesn't mean 'And' it means 'If'.
Many people state that this rede is a law not to harm anything. As it is, on a literal level, it says that you do not need to consider or weigh your actions if it harms none with certainty. Obviously, and here's where your fairly spot on, it's impossible to comprehend if any given action can cause no harm whatsoever. So, rather than either prohibiting or condoning harm or lack thereof, it is simply an advice to consider your actions carefully. Therefore, It doesn't attempt to specify what is or is not forbidden, because your quite right, if there is an exhaustive list of what is forbidden, then by reduction, there is a list of what is not forbidden. In actuallity, the rede does neither.
The secondary important consideration of it is that the word 'rede' literally means 'advice' so it is not stipulating anything as being forbidden or not because to make such a concrete statement as to such regulation would be a law and an advice cannot be a rule or law.
-Said by Scorplett.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:28 pm
Raspberry Rose Romance Hey. This is my first post here. Has anyone, besides myself, been raised Wiccan? I wasn't exactly raised as a Wiccan, but as a Pagan. I started to identify myself as Wiccan when I was around 10 years old. Just wondering if I'm the only one, since there seem to be so few Wiccan's my age (15) who are really educated. Many people have had some exposure as children. I did, but did not understand all of the Sabbats or Esbats on my own. I do now. Life takes many turns. The path calls to us at many different times in our lives.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:28 pm
Raspberry Rose Romance Besides, flogging is harming and harm none is the number one law of wicca.
This is something that's always bothered me about the Rede. It is IMPOSSIBLE to go through life an "harm none", to go through life and not cause any harm. When you eat, whether you eat meat or are a vegetarian, you are still killing the animals/plants you eat. Is that not harm? When you walk in a grassy field you are harming the grass under your feat. When you wash dishes or clean your home you are killing bacteria and dust-mites -that is also harming other living things. So, to take the Rede at face value "harm none" is utterly riddiculouse. As to the flogging example, specifically, if you're doing it to yourself or if it is being done to someone else and they have GIVEN THEIR CONSENT, then no one else has any right to say that it is harmful. All those that follow the Wicca are adults and as such are free to make their own decisions.
Furthermore, the Rede is not a law, it is advice. That what the word "rede" means, literally "council" or "guidance". No one is ever required to follow advice and so not all witches (I use the word "witches" because the Rede is not actually Wiccan either) follow the Rede. I certainly do not.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:10 am
My parents are Christian (but very liberal Christians, and don't give me any grief for my beliefs). I am so curious about what it would be like to be raised in a home where other people practice some form of witchcraft.
Raspberry, what do you like best about your spiritual home life?
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:35 pm
Calelith Raspberry Rose Romance Besides, flogging is harming and harm none is the number one law of wicca.
The rede is often talked about by Wiccans and neopagan ecclectics. It centres on one phrase which is often misquoted or altered. Some of these alterations don't do much for the understanding of it. The phrase is :
"An it harm none, do as ye will"
'An' doesn't mean 'And' it means 'If'.
Many people state that this rede is a law not to harm anything. As it is, on a literal level, it says that you do not need to consider or weigh your actions if it harms none with certainty. Obviously, and here's where your fairly spot on, it's impossible to comprehend if any given action can cause no harm whatsoever. So, rather than either prohibiting or condoning harm or lack thereof, it is simply an advice to consider your actions carefully. Therefore, It doesn't attempt to specify what is or is not forbidden, because your quite right, if there is an exhaustive list of what is forbidden, then by reduction, there is a list of what is not forbidden. In actuallity, the rede does neither.
The secondary important consideration of it is that the word 'rede' literally means 'advice' so it is not stipulating anything as being forbidden or not because to make such a concrete statement as to such regulation would be a law and an advice cannot be a rule or law.
-Said by Scorplett.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
what's the differents of a pagan and a wiccan? whee
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:37 pm
A Eternalsaga what's the differents of a pagan and a wiccan? whee
Anyone can be a Pagan, not everyone can be a Wiccan.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:42 pm
Calelith A Eternalsaga what's the differents of a pagan and a wiccan? whee
Anyone can be a Pagan, not everyone can be a Wiccan.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
i was wondering ,...do you know how to do energy work?
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:51 pm
A Eternalsaga Calelith A Eternalsaga what's the differents of a pagan and a wiccan? whee
Anyone can be a Pagan, not everyone can be a Wiccan.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
i was wondering ,...do you know how to do energy work?
Nope, I do not.
"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:07 pm
It sounds so interesting to be raised with such opened minded parents. My mother became as I got older though.
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