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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 5:30 pm
I figured we needed a general discussion forum to help keep track of everything and to share what what we thought about the fics and ideas everyone has. smile
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:56 pm
Sounds like a plan. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:03 pm
I figured we needed one as Oro forgot to make one for the new one-shot thread and this would just be easier than keeping to make a new discussion thread for each one. 3nodding
Aw, that Kakashi and Obito one was cute. I can actually imagine Obito waiting for Kakashi.
Oh know what would be cute? A story how some couples got together or more like how they first met and their first reactions.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:40 am
Wrote a little story while watching Marley and Me (it's a funny movie but had a few sad moments). Well awhile back in a fic as well as in the meme, I wrote that Sayuri is Suzume's only child and how she wasn't able to have another child. I wrote that did get pregnant once again but it ended up in a miscarriage. A scene during the movie reminded me of that and I decide to wrote a sad story that went into a bit more in depth. I looked up some facts and did some research about it as I didn't want it to seem random, though many times it is or the causes just unknown. http://fav.me/d4uhlmdNotes-I personally paired Karui up with Omoi as I can so see that happening, though I feel kind of bad for the poor boy. I also have her being one of Suzume's close friends. Also, I couldn't find many terms of endearment in Japanese. I found a few but those were either used for unmarried couple or lovers who are having an affair or for homosexual couples. Men tend not use use many words (on of those words is aijin). Though it would work for some couples and situations, it didn't work for this one. Though anata means you, it is often used by married women and can be used as dear.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:30 am
So after taking a break for a day and got to thinking, I realized what one of my biggest problem was and my weakness-I am not good with words. I have a hard time explaining things, often have misunderstandings and communications (which often leads to arguments, I also tend to see things differently than others do but I can't get it across or explain things with words well) and can't get points or feelings across. I also tend to ramble and repeat things a lot. I seem to be more of a visual person and do a better job coming across with with pictures.
And lets face it, my pictures get a better response and I have more confidence in drawing/designing than anything else.
So my solution-make comics to tell the stories instead. The problem is it is very time consuming and still need a script so I decided why not post the scripts and add to the dialogue a bit as I don't have pictures to fill in but imagine how things would look if it was drawn and use it as a guide for the actual comics.
Each chapter can tell a character's story and maybe connect them together and would often be told in their point of view.
Good idea?
I might some of this on Photobucket instead of DA though as that account is more private and password protect and I can give out the password to a select few to avoid trolling and to have a bit more freedom with how I might draw some scenes (especially with Kotori later)
First one would be Suzume.
Titles I been thinking off
-Suzume's song
-The tales of the read haired shinobi (Yuko)
-A new generation of the Uchiha (Karasu)
-The story of a little bird/The flight of a lonely bird/lost youth/innocence (Kotori)
-The wanderer (Airi, I see her being more of traveling ninja that is always training and working on her swordsmanship)
Still working on that and will probably take a good deal of planning but the overall title for the comic/story it's would be call Fate. The first part would focus and the first part will tell the stories of Suzume and Yuko, who have very different lives and some flash backs to past character/previous generations, such as Tsukiyo, Arata and Kouta, etc....and tie everything together.
If anyone else wants to be part of it, let me know, but I would need details as it would be drawn later in the future if I can pull it off.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:26 am
O.k., so I decided to give the idea a shot and see how it goes. Keep in mind this is a script and I am often telling the story through the character's point of views.
This isn't official and things may change in the actual comic/manga/doujinshi when I actually get around to it. There is still a lot of planning involved and how far along I get, what characters will be in it, how stories are told depends on a lot of factors. I also have to make some design/emotion sheets or update them before hand.
So, don't be shy and share ideas, thoughts and who you want in it, etc.... 3nodding
Since we already know about the war and all that, a lot of events can be skipped or quickly skimmed over unless an important part of a character. It could also be expanded upon as well. Since the series is still going on, that may also change things. This will be more of a guideline and review.
Anyways, I have the first ch written. I don't know how many actual pages there would be as each on may vary a bit, but since I am new at this and more of an experiment to see if it would work better better than my actual written series, explain things and flesh out their stories/backgrounds more.
Also, with the help with this critics blog and actually sitting down and thinking about things more, I've been changing and updating some OCs. So far I only got a full review for Suzume and overall she is find but they made some subjects look wise to help her fit in a bit better and giver her a bit more protection against the cool air (due to living in Kumo) and from better as the chest area is more open to attacks (which I didn't think about, I also forgot about Kumo nin living in more of a mountain region, so I changed her fear of heights to something else),
I also made some stats for some. If anyone wants to see, let me know and I can post all the new changes.
Edit-For Suzume's outfit, should I keep the main outfit she has now and just add a shirt as suggested underneath or just change the outfit all together (like the outfit she wore during her pregnancy) but still keep the Chinese elements? The only issue that people have, which was a good point but is also more of opinion at some parts is that the climate might be cooler (I don't see it freezing cold as people like Darui, Samui, Karui, etc...don't have long sleeves either so I think that part isn't a big issue) but the major one that I guess I have to agree with is that she is more open to attacks there and being vulnerable and being stab in the chest can be fatal, so something underneath would be more for protection than anything else. Might just change or see how it would look first. Another issue was the color as usually they all have dull color but after looking at Yugito's outfit and seeing how Suzume's dress isn't bright, an actual uniform as I won't change those or really against canon/village rules, that I can let slide and not see it as a bit deal.
As for her hair color, it was originally darker anyways, so darkening a but wouldn't be a problem.
To be honest, I am was and still am very wary about reviews as more often than not, I get bashed or insulted or they often just focus on one thing and ignore rest/don't read at all and tend to be unhelpful or just like to argue. I admit I am sensitive and tend to be defensive, but as long as they are nice when sharing opinions and don't put me down and give help criticism, I do listen.
But so far it seems to be going alright, at least with Suzume and I made some changes keeping stuff in mind or at least giving it some thought. It if is just an opinion and not based on fact or needs to be changed, all that depends on if I feel it is necessary and like/agree with their opinion and think it is better or not. Some stuff will not change ever though.
I'll have to experiment with designs when I get more time. I need to work on Outfits for Karasu and Ryuuichi next. I might just them uniforms for their main outfit-Karasu an hunter nin outfit and Ryuuichi the typical chuunin/jounin outfit with maybe something to show he is a medic nin, like what they are wearing during the current war. Anything else will just be causal or occasional. Though I did have one outfit I started working on for Karasu awhile back, that could be what he wore before becoming a chunnin or hunter nin at least. Besides, they don't always wear their uniforms anyways.
As for her story, it seems lacking (which is why her story/background is so boring as there isn't much to it), so I think I need to create a family for her to help with that (mom and dad). I might give her a sibling too. I also feel there needs to be some action, but I have no ideas who she can fight against and the sensors right now hadn't really been shown fighting (maybe a Zetsu clone, but that's about it).
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:06 pm
And to keep from the previous post being too big, on the subject of outfits, I got two new ones. One was a free giveaway and just have to change the color and what not and one was a deal I got for a trade (I have to design a female Hyuuga for them, which shouldn't bee too hard) as it looked cute and reminded me of Kotori. http://fav.me/d51fm9phttp://fav.me/d4qz8u3I already asked and maybe an agreement to change a bit to the adoptable one as I had a few issues (I ask first as at times they don't want you to change). Mainly taking away the bandages and adding shorts or pants underneath instead as I feel it is a bad idea to use bandages as shorts as one-it would just be a major pain to wrap and unwrap (lol someone on a critic blog brought up a humorous but realistic point and honestly, I can't say I wouldn't have asked or said same thing as I know I would have pointed out the same problem) them every time you need to and they aren't very protective and 2. If they are cut or come unraveled, you will be in trouble and have no modesty. Seriously, use bandages around arms,legs, chest (only underneath and not as a top like many do) or stomach, but not as pants or shorts. Genin Ino must of had a hell of a time with that. D: By the way, they don't wear fishnets, it's metal mesh actually, like chain link. It says so in guidebooks, so I am not sure why people make it more like fishnets (trust me, they give no support and protection with bigger women as we had some issues about that with Tribal Fusion dance as some wear them as part of the costume but a bad idea if you are top heavy, I say this as many wear them as tops and they rip easily). The other issue I had was the color of the skirt, which is a tad to bright for my taste and might stand out more. More of a person matter there than a practical/breaking canon rules issue as Naruto wears orange for goodness sake and characters can have pink hair (fact, actual ninja's often dressed and blend in with either villagers or samurai. The black outfits you often see in films actually came from Kabuki theater). The top is fine and the Kunai necklace, I might scale down or put else where so it doesn't cut her throat and might be hard to move around in, but Kotori is a weird one anyways, so she might be able to pull it off. As for the first part, I saw no major flaws that needs to be change, I just have to change the colors and it's good to go. That will be one of many outfits Yuko has (one of her genin outfits).
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:15 pm
I learned something interesting today that I would like to share as this could be useful. It is a guide about critics and handling them. I found my problem at that is many nick pic parts of my stuff and argue even if I tell them to move on or disagree but say that is fine but they insist on doing so anyways without give real advice. Apparently they are called the Passive-Aggressive or Douchbag critics (I run into too many of them online where only a few actually helpful advice that allowed me to improve or stated their opinion in a nice matter even if disagreeing or dropping the subject when I tell them to if I know we won't agree. Many people don't even bother reading what I write. I know, as I tested that theory out and noticed that they conveniently skipped some parts that would explain things about my art, story, character, ect...It is always a good idea to do so before as others had that problem as well). Some of these guides tell you about different types of critics and ways people handle them and how to properly go about them. http://fav.me/d4qxzr7http://fav.me/d52538fI think more people should read these and I know I need to work on handling people better (the tips about stop reading for awhile and calm down or have someone else read the comments to see if you really have the right to be angry or not is a good idea). Hope these helps.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:03 pm
Well I got the full review on Ren and Suzume back. I think I liked the person that viewed Suzume more as they seem to be better at giving advice and giving criticism without being so, hard headed, but was kind of warn that her style of criticism is different. sweatdrop
With Suzume, I was able to fix some things up a bit to help it make more sense and her to fit in better with Kumo nin, just minor changes with the design but nothing major and to change her fear as it didn't quite make sense due to where she lived (but it could actually make things humorous now that I think about it-a ninja afraid of heights but lives in a village on top of mountains lol) and I found one that would work better. I just need to add more to her background, which I am thinking about her family now (I was thinking of also giving her two siblings, an older sister and younger brother who looks up to his sisters but likes to annoy them as well. As for names older sister-Junko from Japanese 順 (jun) "obedient" or 純 (jun) "genuine, pure" combined with 子 (ko) "child, younger brother, Masaru means "victory" in Japanese. Dad Kenta-From Japanese 健 (ken) "healthy, strong" and 太 (ta) "thick, big" and mother Mao-From Japanese 真 (ma) "real, true" or 舞 (ma) "dance" combined with 央 (o) "center", 緒 (o) "thread" or 桜 (ou) "cherry blossom". I tried to pick names that would fit in better with Kumo as they seem to have names that go along with their personality or Character, but that is tricky to find ones that would seem like actual names.
The main problem with the other is that they argue about everything but don't seem to read my explanations and think I don't know what I am talking about which nor can they really back it up as they are claiming opinions as facts, is what really annoys me. The main problem now they have is Doujutsu. They think that since his parents are not ninja, he can't have a kekkei genkai/doujutsu but I said he had other family that were or are ninja, just that his parents decided not to be ninja (one came from a family of nin while the other had a family business and when they got married, they decided to work together on the business and as the one from the family of ninja decided not to go into that life style after the war. Not sure yet if it would be his mom's side or dad's side). Just because they don't use it, doesn't mean they can't have it. They don't fight but other members do or did, not like it is going to magically go away if it is a genetic trait. Trust me, I know about Kiri and Doujutsu, even if they insist that I don't. I pointed out this is after the war and Kiri as changed (remember, Mei has been changing Kiri slowly and the mist finally agreed toaAllies due to the joint army. So it is no longer quite same as it was and people with kekkei genkai probably don't have to live in fear as much anymore besides a handful of people that will never like them. Like the anti-benders in the new Avatar series where there are some people that hate them even though years ago Aang and Zuko tried to bring peace to benders and non benders alike).
The argued about blond haired nin in Kiri, but I disagree (look as Suiren yeah a filler but she had blonde hair and that girl that Kisame's team that he killed. she didn't have dark hair or blue. It was a light brown but it was also nighttime so really hard to tell the exact shade, but it looked much lighter than everyone esles. I don't see why that isn't impossible genetically just by going by country/village really. Not like there is a canon rule against it and some canon characters break out that rule anyways so I am keeping his blond less it says something about it in the datebook. The outfit is good, so I am keeping those overall.
I am not sure how I can talk to them as I already tried explaining multiple things to them as they asked/brought it up. At least he does seem to be a realistic/good character as a whole , even if they personally dislike him (which I can live with, though they kept calling him she, really bothers me and which would be a really bad idea if they did that in real life and advise against doing so as it can been seen as hurtful or offensive). Oh well. Best to take some stuff with a grain of salt and not argue with them. I gave them all the info that they wanted/need and can't do much else.
Maybe this is why they tell to get opinions and advice from different people, to get different perspectives. Be easier if people actually listened. neutral
Well I think most of Suzume is covered, I just need to think about more on her family, their design and personality and change up the design just a tad bit. I was thinking of having one die in the war, as I said this was her first time she experienced real loss. I was thinking of making them a close knit family. They will argue and annoy each other at times but stick together and be there for one another. Which will also make it hard on Suzume later when one of them dies.
No way I will send in Yuko, Karasu or Kotori as I have a feeling they would get it even worse (especially Kotori as I already given a hard time with her). sweatdrop I kind of like how they are, not too overpowered and I am fixing up their profiles so it works a bit better (mainly Kotori's so she can fit in the canon a bit more) and stories a bit as well as design.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:04 pm
Ok, so for Suzume's family. I think her older sister Junko would be a very nice girl. She probably helps Suzume a lot and Suzume looks up to her a lot. I am going to her have her be more of a genjutsu user and I have do decide on what her job will be. I kind of want to use her as a spy and gather information. She will be more calm and maybe have darker hair eyes might be a golden brown/amber. She seems more refined Age will be 23 in the beginning of shippuden. She will have lighting affinity and maybe earth or water. Might pair her up with Darui or her just having a crush on him.
They will all have lightening affinity, but their mom probably also has wind affinity that was passed down to Suzume and their dad will probably earth or water affinity passed down to Junko.
Birth date will be December 5th.
Blood type-A
Hobbies-Photography (they have pictures in the Naruto Universe, so it makes sense)
Their brother Masaru will about age 14/15
He would just barely been promoted to Chunnin. He would know kenjutsu as that is common for Kumo nin. I hadn't decided on his looks or their parents looks yet. He would have lightening affinity
Birth date-August 12th
Blood Type-O
Hobbies-Maybe beatboxing, I have a feeling he would look up to Killer Bee. Undecided at this time.
More to come later.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:57 pm
I need some time to think about Suzume's family, life before the war, etc...I was thinking Of taking the page down or just remove what was written and re-post it when I smooth out the story line a bit. I might just make some bios or references until than. Which is probably what should be done first.
I need some ideas and help, but not sure where to go to get them so it will probably be awhile [if anyone is even reading these. sweatdrop ].
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:15 pm
Alright, since I have more of a basic Idea for Junko, she'll be up first. I might start on her design tonight. I am watching another Muppet movie. xd
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:35 pm
Oh sorry, I haven't really been on much. Hell, I'm so wiped out from this damn cold that I wasn't able to actually do story notes for the latest chapter I posted.
Uh... give me a bit, I'll see what suggestions I can come up with, but a basic background is a good idea, it'll give her something to fall back on character wise.
Nice job! And good luck with it! heart
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:14 am
Momma Mira Oh sorry, I haven't really been on much. Hell, I'm so wiped out from this damn cold that I wasn't able to actually do story notes for the latest chapter I posted. Uh... give me a bit, I'll see what suggestions I can come up with, but a basic background is a good idea, it'll give her something to fall back on character wise. Nice job! And good luck with it! heart Wow, that was a long cold. 0_o I actually hear allergy season is the worst this year. Thanks. I was a bit bothered that seemed so short or going to fast, so I wanted to flesh the story out a bit more before re-posting it. I figured the biggest problem with my OCs is the lack of their family life/background. Right now I have two basic ideas for the sister's outfit and profile, it's the brother and parents I am having a bit of trouble with. But seeing how the younger nins seem to look up to Killer Bee, I figured he would too. 3nodding Oh and I am reading the update, i'll comment in a bit.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:32 am
Playboy Karasu Uchiha Momma Mira Oh sorry, I haven't really been on much. Hell, I'm so wiped out from this damn cold that I wasn't able to actually do story notes for the latest chapter I posted. Uh... give me a bit, I'll see what suggestions I can come up with, but a basic background is a good idea, it'll give her something to fall back on character wise. Nice job! And good luck with it! heart Wow, that was a long cold. 0_o I actually hear allergy season is the worst this year. Thanks. I was a bit bothered that seemed so short or going to fast, so I wanted to flesh the story out a bit more before re-posting it. I figured the biggest problem with my OCs is the lack of their family life/background. Right now I have two basic ideas for the sister's outfit and profile, it's the brother and parents I am having a bit of trouble with. But seeing how the younger nins seem to look up to Killer Bee, I figured he would too. 3nodding Oh and I am reading the update, i'll comment in a bit. It's gotten to the point that I'm going to see if I can get a baby-sitter so I can go to the doctor. o_o
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