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Okay everyone, this is something that is not going to be voted on, and it will not be removed. I am sick and tired of all the arguments and drama to a point I am just ready to end it all for me by leaving the guild completely.

However, I am going to be setting up a few laws within this Law Enforcement thread in which will make things fair for everyone.


Law 1 - Five Enforcers:
In maximum there will only ever be a maximum of five enforcers of the laws in this guild. All crew members of course will be in the request to help out as well in order to make sure that things will always run smoothly, but at any one time there will only be a maximum of five enforcers of these laws, in which four will be constantly switched out so that each person has an opportunity at the job, the captain being the only indefinite law enforcer. The only way a Captain will not be indefinite is if a vote is brought up with belief that he/she is a corrupt enforcer, in which a new person can be brought up as the new indefinite lead.


Law 2 - Fight Ending:
Arguments are things that helps us grow together, discussions, and the like, however this is not true when we create insults or verbally attack one another. This includes a member entering into a heated argument where it can easily be seen that they are becoming hostile. Such a thing is illegal from now on in the guild and each member will only be allowed 3 of these strikes, one from at least three of the five different enforcers for the time. From there a vote will be made as to what punishment is indeed necessary. The highest form of punishment from this is the demotion of crew/captain seat for a maximum of 3 weeks, in which after 3 weeks they will be allowed back into crew. If said member is found to break the law of insulting another person through chat or gaia, to even private message, and 3 more cases are found of the person, the next highest form of punishment is the removal of crew seat with no return unless the crew feels they can trust the person to follow the laws in which a vote will need to be made to return them to their crew seat.


Law 3 - Enforcer Switching:
The Enforcers are always going to be in groups of four (Five including the guild leader), in which all crew members will have a turn to be an Enforcer to make sure that the guild is kept fair and to make sure that no one, other than the guild leader (Unless it is voted to belief the guild leader has become corrupt, in which they will have to step down as the Enforcer leader as a new one is voted in.), is indefinitely an enforcer. A new enforcer will be brought in every 20 Days, with one being removed from their seat in order for an enforcer to take up and make sure to keep the peace within the guild.


Law 4 - Corruption of Enforcers:
Corruption will not be allowed, period! From the Guild Leader, and any of the crew members brought in to be Enforcers. The moment corruption is found, by the captain locating it in a crew member as an enforcer, said crew member will permanently (Unless a vote is made to allow them back in.) be removed from the list of crew to be an enforcer, the same goes for the Captain. Corruption works in many ways, and one of which would be to always go after one person simply because they do not personally like them, and thus wish to have them removed. If this type of corruption is found, the member being targeted by the corrupt enforcer will gain an apology from the head of the enforcement group, and have any findings from the corrupt member removed.
Enforcers will also be subject to following the laws more so than the others. If an enforcer is found to break any laws they will be subject to immediate removal of their seat for an extended time, not permanent, but they will have their next turn passed up.


Law 5 - Dropping of Charges:
People can make mistakes, even your guild leader. With this said there may be times that we go and find a conversation that will look hostile to us, in which we will mark as such, even though there may be a chance that it is not hostile. We already know the person being marked will try to fight it and say they were not hostile, and if three of the five agree that they do not see it as hostile, then the charges will be dropped.
This will also work if the other party member, the one we believed to be verbally assaulted speaks up and mentions that they did not, in any way, feel as if the person with the charges had been insulting or hostile with them. From there immediate drop of the charges will be made, no votes made.


Additional Laws - More laws for this can be made, but a vote must be brought in. Current laws however will not be able to be removed, only additional laws that are voted in can be voted off.

An Offense Has Been Made

Not officially, the 5 members of the Law Enforcement Team will have to read through this in order to first see if we believe there is any insulting words being used, hostile signals, and even verbal abuse that can be signified as Cyber Bullying.


Law Enforcers On This Case

Reddeye Gojiro Kiryu

Tystra Daisetsu

Youroka Kage

Lovely Lady Bri

Born-of-Shadow


The Party Members

The Suspect (Innocent until proven guilty): Enshara

The Offended Party: Rain Reikasu



The Case


This case was given to us Via Skype private message, if the defendant believes there is any changes in the conversation we would please like to have their copy as well. If there are any changes in them besides the raw information, further punishment will be in order. If the defendant is found out to have the raw conversation correctly brought in, while the accuser is found to have made edits to the conversation in order to illegally get the defendant in trouble, they will be subject to immediate removal of their crew seat and or rank including.

If the claiming party is to give us an edited conversation, but gives us their honesty, they will still be subject to punishment worth no less, and no more than 2 legal findings of "Law 2" in which is worth to hostile conversations towards the party they have claimed to be hostile towards them.


If the party in which is being claimed as hostile has made edits to the conversation as well to save themselves, and are found out, they will be subject to immediate removal of their crew seat & or captain rank. However if they return with honesty they will be subject to an additional 2 strikes to this said party member whom claims hostility, and will be removed of their seat of crew & captain for a time of 25 days, in which they will be allowed to return to their seat, but with eyes upon them.


If any additional information is missing, we would like it to be reported, as soon as possible.

Note: that this will be read over by all 5 members of the current law enforcement team, and if 3 out of 5 agree this is breaking our laws of no hostile treatments, a strike will be listed within this page, if a member gains three they will be subject to an additional vote of what punishment is suited for them.
If however we find this is overall not hostile it will have a strike through the whole message accept for the end which will state it is voted non hostile.







[5:48:22 AM] Tirena: [1/23/2012 4:32:41 PM] Enshara: Alright so, before I start can I ask that I not get interrupt til I say I'm done saying my whole speel?
[1/23/2012 4:33:37 PM] Tirena: Sure
[1/23/2012 4:40:05 PM] Enshara: Okay, now I can say I'm gonna be blunt on everything I say so please just bare with me.

I found the things you said yesterday and the way you were speaking to be annoying. Lately I've been feeling like you are giving this attitude that the guild is lucky to have you and that you are too good for the guild. I've also been getting the feeling like you are trying to kiss up to everyone just to get in good and get respect. Which kinda pisses me off.

Now I'm sure that is most likely not your intention but it seriously is irritating as ********. I have nothing against you for being in GE or anything of that nature. I don't bring baggage from other guilds to another one I'm in.

Now aside from that, the things you said yesterday about me continueing to bring up the demotion thing were hurtful, annoying, and in truth made me want to find you and punch you. And I don't normally want to do things like that.

The reason I'm still so annoying, hurt and what not about the demotion is..well let me put it to you this way.

To have someone you consider a close friend suddenly go and start assuming that you were having a bad attitude about something. Didn't even ASK if that was how I was actually meaning something to sound and then suddenly posting up a PART of a conversation. One line of a conversation even and then stating that you couldn't even say anything in regards to clear up that you weren't having an attitude or anything of that nature. That s**t hurts me a great deal because when I call you a friend I let you have a place that is close to my heart. To just assume without asking and posting something like that is more hurtful then I know. I cried for at least an hour or more because of the issue and eventually had to emotionally shut down because of it.

Hell I'm still a bit emotional about it all simply because I considered the individual to be a friend and they didn't even ask to clarify if I meant to say something the way I did.

For you to have kept on saying what you did without any apparent knowledge of how I personally felt about it was hurtful and disrespectful in my mind and eyes.

I'm not that great at explaining what I feel in words but I think I covered everything that needed to be said...or that I wanted to say...

I'm done.
[1/23/2012 4:45:34 PM] Enshara: Oh...adding onto my explaination of my feelings towards the demotion thing. It was like being stabbed in the back for no apparent reason...if that makes sense...okay I'm done.
[1/23/2012 4:45:49 PM] Tirena: Mmkay
[1/23/2012 4:52:18 PM] Tirena: In regards to my attitude and how the ' guild is lucky to have me ' thing that is completely wrong. I am naturally that way I like to be happy and have fun. You're not on all the time so you don't really know this but I get into my fair share of trouble and stuff. I don't think the guild is lucky to have me but rather the other way around. I'm lucky the guild lets me be apart of it.

As for kissing up to everyone that's just plain hilarious that you think that. I don't kiss up to anyone because no one is higher or better than me therefore they don't need me kissing up to them. I offer to help because helping is what I am good at. Making friends is something I like to do. Now just to make sure it's understood. I don't see myself as higher than anyone else or better then them I see us all as being on the same playing field. All equal.

I know you don't have anything against me in the GE that would be stupid seeing as you were also apart of the GE. It's kind of funny for you to think and see and feel all that above when you used to be my soldier and we used to work together. You should know and understand how I work and operate.

About the demotion. I know you were hurt by it and you have a right to be. What I don't like about it is that even after all this time of the vote being over and you keeping everything you had that it is still brought up, still mentioned. It's like a guilt trip move. Not saying you are guilt tripping people with it but talking about it constantly instead of getting over it will cause the issue to come off as such. It's over and done with now the only thing to be done is to move forward.
[1/23/2012 4:54:06 PM] Enshara: It seems you aren't understanding how much it hurt me, which is fine. Anyways that's all I wanted to talk about.
[1/23/2012 4:54:30 PM] Tirena: I've been hurt before like that as well Enshara I do understand how much it hurts
[1/23/2012 4:55:01 PM] Tirena: Anyone who has had to deal with one of Siels stupid lectures, rants, put downs knows the feeling very well
[1/23/2012 4:55:10 PM] Tirena: You just have to get over it and move on
[1/23/2012 4:55:15 PM] Tirena: It's not easy
[1/23/2012 4:55:22 PM] Tirena: But you'll feel better afterward
[1/23/2012 4:56:47 PM] Enshara: With Siel you ignor more then half of it
[1/23/2012 4:56:50 PM] Enshara: It's what I do
[1/23/2012 4:57:22 PM] Tirena: Alright I was unable to do that
[1/23/2012 4:57:30 PM] Tirena: So it was the easiest thing to use
[1/23/2012 4:58:05 PM] Enshara: I have a little brother so its like a learned trait with certain things...it kept me from killing my brother on more then one occasion
[1/23/2012 4:58:18 PM] Tirena: *nods*
[1/23/2012 4:58:42 PM] Tirena: But yeah yesterday I wasn't trying to start things or anything
[1/23/2012 4:58:50 PM] Tirena: I was honestly just having fun conversations
[1/23/2012 4:59:46 PM] Enshara: Well there is a time to do it and a time not to do it with me and my brother. When we are trying to have a serious conversation is a bad time and in my mind is insulting and very rude
[1/23/2012 5:00:03 PM] Tirena: I don't know you and your brother Enshara
[1/23/2012 5:00:16 PM] Enshara: I know
[1/23/2012 5:00:20 PM] Enshara: I never stated you did
[1/23/2012 5:00:24 PM] Tirena: You can't really expect me to have a Enshara and krono 101 book on how to talk and be around you
[1/23/2012 5:00:37 PM] Enshara: I never stated that
[1/23/2012 5:00:47 PM] Tirena: You'll just have to get used to how I am ^^ like what you say all the time
[1/23/2012 5:01:15 PM] Enshara: then you will have to get used to how i am
[1/23/2012 5:01:47 PM] Tirena: As usual
[1/23/2012 5:01:53 PM] Enshara: yuppers
[1/23/2012 5:02:11 PM] Tirena: And who says serious conversations can't be fun?
[1/23/2012 5:02:34 PM] Enshara: If its a laid back/serious conversation I dont see an issue
[1/23/2012 5:03:57 PM] Enshara: but when its strictly serious for at least one or more people in the discussion its pretty rude. Yes I'm aware, not all are raised in the same kind of household and to say that is how I was raised is a rather weak statement but that's simply how both me and Krono were raised. We don't necessarily have the luxury of taking things lightly in a conversation we deem serious because our point doesn't appear to get across.
[1/23/2012 5:04:00 PM] Enshara: Anyways
[1/23/2012 5:04:12 PM] Enshara: I'm done attempting to explain things.
[1/23/2012 5:04:23 PM] Enshara: That's all I wanted to talk about, so i'm done lol
[1/23/2012 5:04:47 PM] Tirena: Mmkay

In all honesty, its very hard for me to watch someone I consider family be treated in any way that would be considered disrespectful. And for that reason, and the fact that I'm not sure I could give a non-biased view, even though I know Enshara's intentions were not harmful, I am going to abstain from this vote. However, if another vote comes up with Enshara and Rain, I will give my opinion/thoughts at that time, as then I would see it as a real problem that needs to be really looked at.

I agree with Kage, though in Enshara's defense she did say that she was going to be blunt about her feelings. Feelings are feelings whether they have a basis or not. I know this from my own experience. I don't think Enshara is a liar and I think she was honestly hurt but this. I also don't really see anything she said to rain to be overly spiteful, just not very considerate.