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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:02 am


Hiya! Ok, my first topic here, and I have a question that's been bugging me for a while.

I was leafing through some of the topics in here, and I came across this post.

KhAoS_PhAnToM
Chaos Defilers are the best. Ever. In the history of mankind.


This got me thinking. I, being a Chaos player, thought I'd look up the Defiler in my Codex. And I remembered that Defilers were operated by Daemons. Basically, a Daemon is summoned, trapped inside the mechanical shell of the Defiler, and it uses the Defiler to unleash its pent-up fury.
When I read the description, for some reason I equated it to a suit of armor. I mean, the Daemon inside an armored Defiler? Doesn't that kinda sound like a knight or warrior wearing armor plating?

So here's my question. Not to be nit-picky about things, but would one really consider a Defiler to be a vehicle, in all sense of the word? Wouldn't it count as either heavy infantry, or a monstrous being (that Daemon aspect of things)? Or would it still count as a vehicle?
What do you guys think? confused
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:47 am


It's a walker/monstrous creature. The Soul Crushers are essentially Defilers that broke free, judging by the model, and they still have the armor values. It's probably due to the amount of weaponry they have. If I am correct, they have to be a vehicle in order to use everything they have because infantry have to pick and choose that weapon they fire.

Personally, I'd like to see them become a S10 T8 3/4W 2/5(4?)SV MC. But it wont happen due to the arsenal it packs.

The CSM need a good MC again. The generic Daemon Prince is s**t. The Greater Daemons are white washed trash. 3rd edition did them right. You could make your own Daemon Princes out of Chaos Lords(any CL with 50+ points in daemon gifts automatically becomes a Daemon Prince.) And the Greater Daemons and Lesser Daemons were RAPE. Nothing like getting a squad of Blood Letters, WS4 BS0 S5 T4 W1 I4 A2 Sv3/5 with Hell Blades, into close combat the turn they come in to lay utter waste to anything they get into CQB with. They lay waste to all other CQB infantry. The current Death Company has nothing on them. I wiped one using them without taking any casualties on the first round of assault.

Not to mention your HQ or any other character exploding and summoning a Blood Thirster (WS9 BS0 S8 T6 W4 I4 A5 Sv3/4) and also counted a daemon summoning icon with flight. It's sad what they did to them. Daemon Summoning was amazing as well since the large blast was set at the foot of the icon bearer and scattered and they could make a full turn worth of moving, shooting/running, and assaulting.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:00 am


I see where your coming from, in all sense of the word the Defiler is a vehicle, for if it were a suit of armour on a daemon then It would not be a defiler would it? But instead a very agitated daemon.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:47 am


True that. It'd be a damned angry Blood Thirster.

Ryuondo

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